The last sjf training camp of 2025 8/7

[YattaOkasan]

57 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Since Samuel got to Buffalo he hasn’t been better than anyone, so where is the difference? At some point ya gotta try someone else, lol.

This implies he was worse than people that were cut last year?  I thought down the stretch he played well.  I dont know why you have to try somoene else if youre please with his play.  If they werent please with his play then why not call someone else up last year if hes not better than anyone on the PS (again not sure what you mean by not better than anyone).  Do you think Amari had a better postseason than Samuels? Keon? Samuels was certainly more efficient than both (he had as many TDs as they had 1D combined, more yards than them combined, half the combined targets, double the number of 1D). 

 

I also have concerns on Samuels availability but thats a reason to put him on a pitch count more than its cause to cut him and roster shavers.  I dont think our sample size is large enough to be in gotta try someone else land.  I assume you want to fire McD for the same reason.

Edited Thursday at 05:08 PM by YattaOkasan

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I think Samuel will need to go, older can't stay healthy. Beane is going to have to get someone else in here.

How about a trade for McLaurin from the Commanders?

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I agree.  Seems like the smart move would be to keep Shavers as Wr5 and place Samuel on IR to start the year and bring him back as late as possible.  Theres close to zero percent chance he stays healthy all season, so keep him from getting injured by placing him on IR.    

Is Shavers really better than Wilkerson or Dion Cain for that matter?  Lets see what all these guys can do in the preseason.  And what about KJ Hamler?  He has been here for a bit now.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

I love Shavers and would be very happy with him on the roster.  One play in garbage time does not show me he has more juice than samuels.  Bills would agree as they continued to play Samuels after this play. 

 

Are you saying this play puts Shaver over Samuels?  The juice that Samuels provides that I dont/havent seen from Shavers is getting open downfield (this is literally Shavers only target/catch in the NFL).  Taking a screen to the house against the blitz is great but is something Samuels also does.  

 

Again I love Shavers, but considering him a better WR than Samuels is silly.  Reminds me of folks who had Moore as more important than Palmer this off season.  Sheesh.  

 

When has Samuel shown ability downfield? 

 

I am not saying I'd cut him but downfield routes have never really been his thing.

Just now, Paup 1995MVP said:

Is Shavers really better than Wilkerson or Dion Cain for that matter?  Lets see what all these guys can do in the preseason.  And what about KJ Hamler?  He has been here for a bit now.  

 

Wilkerson is new so who knows.... but Shavers was ahead of Hamler and Cain on the depth chart last year. The question is more what have they done since to jump above him?

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, wolfpack78 said:

Joe B reporting that McDermott stated he is expecting Jimbo to practice today.

 

Thats not exactly what he said. He said that initially but with a follow up of he expects everyone to practice. He didn't know if he would practice today but hoped so. Also said that he has been part of all meetings and walkthroughs.

 

 

[LLCoolCy]

43 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

Meh. It is preseason game 1. Assuming Bass is getting close to returning just have Ray Davis kick FG ) or go for 2 and not waist a roster move. Waaayyyy more interesting.

[YattaOkasan]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

When has Samuel shown ability downfield? 

 

I am not saying I'd cut him but downfield routes have never really been his thing.

 

Wilkerson is new so who knows.... but Shavers was ahead of Hamler and Cain on the depth chart last year. The question is more what have they done since to jump above him?

Should clarify I mean as an intermediate route runner.  His ADOT was pretty low at 4.4 (because of his role in the screen game) but I thought all of his 2024 TDs show his ability to get open in the intermediate area (2nd KC TD was more of a coverage bust).  Particularly liked how he ran away from Surtain to really close the door on the broncos.  I know Surtain got spun around a little bit and a lot of credit to Brady's scheme for that, but I think that gives a sense of what he can do in the intermediate.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:54 PM by YattaOkasan

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, LLCoolCy said:

 

Meh. It is preseason game 1. Assuming Bass is getting close to returning just have Ray Davis kick FG ) or go for 2 and not waist a roster move. Waaayyyy more interesting.

We'd still need someone to do kickoffs unless you think Davis or Robbins can handle that?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

You guys are panicking like the Bills play a meaningful game on Sunday. There are still more than 4 weeks until they do that. 

I thought winner gets dibs on Gabe Davis?

[JerseyBills]

I know we take it for granted but 17 looks freaking locked in! Looks amazing out there

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Honestly, at this point, I'd rather roster Shavers than Samuel. Samuel just cannot seem to stay healthy.

That said, I haven't heard a peep about Elijah Moore since his injury, and I can't help but wonder if he's not the roster lock people seem to think he is.

Coleman
Palmer
Shakir
Shavers

Samuel
Moore

 

Would seem to be the six, if they keep six. 

In any case, McDermott's comment about Shavers sure doesn't make it seem like he's a player they're about to cut. You can only sneak a guy like him onto the practice squad so many times before he gets scooped off waivers.

 

I am trying to figure out what to make of Shavers - coaches really seem impressed, but I have also seen this story before when we had Hodgins here who would have strong camps but when it came to cut down time was always the odd man out.  And that was without the stiff competition of guys like Samuel and Moore.  

 

I am highly doubtful we keep 6 WR's unless one is either a returner or ST ACE they feel like they must keep.  We are going to likely be keeping more than in past seasons at places like DL and CB this year, making it that much harder to keep 6 at WR.  

 

So if Shavers makes this roster I think its more likely at the expense of one of Moore or Samuel.  And both their roster spots are less secure now than they seemed to be earlier in the offseason thanks to injuries.  

 

The battle between Samuel, Moore, and Shavers will be very interesting to watch the rest of camp and preseason as I think only 2 of them make the team.  Wouldn't surprise me to see Samuel traded either if they want to keep Shavers.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Should clarify I mean as an intermediate route runner.  His ADOT was pretty low at 4.4 (because of his role in the screen game) but I thought all of his 2024 TDs show his ability to get open in the intermediate area (2nd KC TD was more of a coverage bust).  Particularly liked how he ran away from Surtain to really close the door on the broncos.  I know Surtain got spun around a little bit and a lot of credit to Brady's scheme for that, but I think that gives a sense of what he can do in the intermediate.

 

 

 

Yea that Broncos play is what he is. Not really a route runner but a guy who can find pockets of space to be available to his QB then very good after the catch.

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I am trying to figure out what to make of Shavers - coaches really seem impressed, but I have also seen this story before when we had Hodgins here who would have strong camps but when it came to cut down time was always the odd man out.  And that was without the stiff competition of guys like Samuel and Moore.  

 

I am highly doubtful we keep 6 WR's unless one is either a returner or ST ACE they feel like they must keep.  We are going to likely be keeping more than in past seasons at places like DL and CB this year, making it that much harder to keep 6 at WR.  

 

So if Shavers makes this roster I think its more likely at the expense of one of Moore or Samuel.  And both their roster spots are less secure now than they seemed to be earlier in the offseason thanks to injuries.  

 

The battle between Samuel, Moore, and Shavers will be very interesting to watch the rest of camp and preseason as I think only 2 of them make the team.  Wouldn't surprise me to see Samuel traded either if they want to keep Shavers.

 

I still think Shavers is what he was last year. Their 6th WR but on the PS rather than the 53. Might be proved wrong but that is my guess.

[NewEra]

46 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Is Shavers really better than Wilkerson or Dion Cain for that matter?  Let’s see what all these guys can do in the preseason.  And what about KJ Hamler?  He has been here for a bit now.  

🤷🏻‍♂️ no clue, but he’s a gunner on ST and a known process guy.  

[Low Positive]

16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I am trying to figure out what to make of Shavers - coaches really seem impressed, but I have also seen this story before when we had Hodgins here who would have strong camps but when it came to cut down time was always the odd man out.  And that was without the stiff competition of guys like Samuel and Moore.  

 

I am highly doubtful we keep 6 WR's unless one is either a returner or ST ACE they feel like they must keep.  We are going to likely be keeping more than in past seasons at places like DL and CB this year, making it that much harder to keep 6 at WR.  

 

So if Shavers makes this roster I think its more likely at the expense of one of Moore or Samuel.  And both their roster spots are less secure now than they seemed to be earlier in the offseason thanks to injuries.  

 

The battle between Samuel, Moore, and Shavers will be very interesting to watch the rest of camp and preseason as I think only 2 of them make the team.  Wouldn't surprise me to see Samuel traded either if they want to keep Shavers.

Everyone points to Hodgins as a miss by Beane/McDermott, but outside of that one brief blip where he got some playing time in NY because they had no other options, he has been a practice squad guy everywhere he has been. He's currently on the 49ers on a reserves/futures contract. 

[YattaOkasan]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that Broncos play is what he is. Not really a route runner but a guy who can find pockets of space to be available to his QB then very good after the catch.

It reminded me of Emmanuel Sanders (and that could be totally not appropriate, def not as good Sanders in the deep space) in that he has the ability to maintain separation once he gets it.  His foot speed is enough to keep distance from Surtain and then get to EZ (KC reg season TD is similar).  Didnt do anything super twitchy or deceptive to get separation but if you lose him for a bit youre really gonna struggle to get back in phase.

[gordong]

3 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Gabe Davis coming home

after his little outburst with the fans right before he left,  I dont think there is a chance in hell

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

 

I mean if 7 months of offseason didn't let them get over their injuries, what is 3 months of in season IR gonna do?

Wtf is he recovering from? Genuinely asking? Did he get banged up in camp? Or does he heal like a racoon stuck to a yellow line in the road

 

Recovering from???? If its legit last years injury thats bonkers and cut bait immediately

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Everyone points to Hodgins as a miss by Beane/McDermott, but outside of that one brief blip where he got some playing time in NY because they had no other options, he has been a practice squad guy everywhere he has been. He's currently on the 49ers on a reserves/futures contract. 

 

That was my point - he was the previous fringe guy slash camp star and always ended up on the PS.  

[NickelCity]

3 minutes ago, gordong said:

after his little outburst with the fans right before he left,  I dont think there is a chance in hell

 

I hope you're right!

 

Unrelated - I am worried about Bishop.

[Gambit]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

That was from last year