James Cook: "Business" man

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

If the coach tells him to get on the field and he doesn’t he should be fined 

 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Production-wise, they're almost the same player, but Cook's explosiveness shows up in the ypc and ypr numbers, which are both higher than Williams's. Williams scores a lot of TDs, although that can be a deceiving stat.

 

Yea Williams is a churn it out, volume rusher. I confess my bias to be being less of a fan of that type of player. I'd just always value what Cook gives me higher. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I dont think Parsons fits into what the Bills do on defense.   He's a freelancer who specializes in rushing the passer.    Parsons, and the Dallas defense in general is below average at setting the edge in the run game.   The Bills want to spend money on guys who can do both well.   I wouldnt hold your breath for a Parsons trade here, especially with him wanting 40 million a year. 

Good points.  Maybe we’ll go after McLaurin

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I could see him getting a bit more, because that's how these things so often work. 

 

So 3 years, 34 million. Maybe 25 guaranteed. That might do it. 

 

I get what you're saying about the risk of guaranteed money for a RB, but you're going to guarantee a big chunk anyway. If you could get Cook to take a touch less overall if it was mostly or all guaranteed that might help with the cap number. 

 

But I would be terrible at this. I would have 3 375 pound DT on the team cost be damned! And I would pay all the guys to keep them, so I don't pretend to be an expert.

I agree with those numbers. And Ill back you 375lb DT proposal lol

[GASabresIUFan]

Market price for Cook now set.  

 

Their stats are nearly identical.  Both are 3 years in the NFL.  Both were seldom used as rookies.  Here are their stats for the last two years

Cook:  Rushing:  yards 2131, TDs 18.  Receiving 703 yards, 6 TDs.  Scrimmage total 2834 24 TDs.

Williams: Rushing:  yards 2443, TDs 26.  Receiving 388 yards, 5 TDs.  Scrimmage total 2831 31 TDs.

 

By the way Williams is 5'9 202 4.65 40.  He'll turn 25 in a few weeks.  Played College ball at ND and had 419 Rushing attempts in college

Cook is 5'11 190, ran 4.42 40 and turns 26 in Sept.  Played college ball at UGA and had only 230 carries in college.

Edited Tuesday at 04:58 PM by GASabresIUFan

[RoscoeParrish]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea Williams is a churn it out, volume rusher. I confess my bias to be being less of a fan of that type of player. I'd just always value what Cook gives me higher. 

He’s also in a Shanny system 

[LEBills]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea Williams is a churn it out, volume rusher. I confess my bias to be being less of a fan of that type of player. I'd just always value what Cook gives me higher. 

Cant forget what a Sean McVay system and a QB that can barely move does for those numbers too. Cook is the more talented runner. But this contract along with the Jacobs contract last year probably set the tone for where Cook will fall in percentage of cap space if he was to get a new contract this year.

[thenorthremembers]

9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Market price for Cook now set.  

 

Their stats are nearly identical.  Both are 3 years in the NFL.  Both were seldom used as rookies.  Here are their stats for the last two years

Cook:  Rushing:  yards 2131, TDs 18.  Receiving 703 yards, 6 TDs.  Scrimmage total 2834 24 TDs.

Williams: Rushing:  yards 2443, TDs 26.  Receiving 388 yards, 5 TDs.  Scrimmage total 2831 31 TDs.

 

By the way Williams is 5'9 202 4.65 40.  He'll turn 25 in a few weeks.  Played College ball at ND and had 419 Rushing attempts in college

Cook is 5'11 190, ran 4.42 40 and turns 26 in Sept.  Played college ball at UGA and had only 230 carries in college.

 

Cook is a better back than Williams.   They may be identical in stats, but Williams took a lot more carries to get there.   Not saying, the contracts wont be close but Cook has earned a bit more. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Cook is a better back than Williams.   They may be identical in stats, but Williams took a lot more carries to get there.   Not saying, the contracts wont be close but Cook has earned a bit more. 

i wouldn't be so sure tbh

it's significantly easier to pick your line in RPO

[Just in Atlanta]

As a fellow business man I'd like to hear Mr. Cook's philosophical stance on how to calculate the depreciation of tangible assets

[GASabresIUFan]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Cook is a better back than Williams.   They may be identical in stats, but Williams took a lot more carries to get there.   Not saying, the contracts wont be close but Cook has earned a bit more. 

Williams is a year younger and more of a work horse back.  Cook is faster, a better pass catcher, but not as much of an every down back.  The contract should end up being about the same.  

 

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nfl/kyren-williams-33-million-rams-extension-could-impact-bills-rb-james-cook-2109250

Edited Tuesday at 06:07 PM by GASabresIUFan

[HappyDays]

John wouldn't just throw this stuff out there unless he heard it from a source. So I wonder if the Bills just aren't all that interested in extending him under any circumstances... But that seems to conflict with some of the reports that say the two sides are not far apart on getting a deal done. Very strange situation.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

    I assume your 5% figure (coming from PSLs) is accurate. Just to be accurate, state and county 38% is also coming from us (the taxpayers) . Terry and the NFL portion is also coming from us (from profits). As we are the ultimate consumer, all costs are ultimately borne by us. I'm not complaining, just clarifying.

 

I know, we want the NFL and owners to pay 100% but they are covering around 60%. Also more than half of the state's portion was money that came from the Seneca tribe, so the taxpayer's portion is closer to 15%.

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

John wouldn't just throw this stuff out there unless he heard it from a source. So I wonder if the Bills just aren't all that interested in extending him under any circumstances... But that seems to conflict with some of the reports that say the two sides are not far apart on getting a deal done. Very strange situation.

i dunno

 

i read it like the bills have him valued perfectly and cook is going to have to come to terms w that

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No it isn't superstar to scrub. It's top 10 back to borderline starting talent. It's going back from having someone who can make difference making plays there to the Singletary / Moss era where your running back is "fine." And we simply don't have the explosiveness in the pass game right now that we had back then as a counterbalance. 

 

Yeah, I guess I agree with that. I don't think we are going to have to worry about him sitting out anyways. Although I will say that I think Shakir is pretty explosive. As is Ty Johnson for that matter. We dont have that downfield burner though still.

Edited Tuesday at 05:51 PM by Scott7975

[LEBills]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

John wouldn't just throw this stuff out there unless he heard it from a source. So I wonder if the Bills just aren't all that interested in extending him under any circumstances... But that seems to conflict with some of the reports that say the two sides are not far apart on getting a deal done. Very strange situation.

Could be Beane doesn’t believe in paying a running back a big contract. Schoen is from that GM tree and let Saquon walk.

Edited Tuesday at 05:57 PM by LEBills

[RochesterLifer]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

This could be the Cook camp trying to communicate with Beane through the press. That has been one of their methods.

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Why would you haggle on 500k on one of your best players?

Because I’m stingy.

 

and if I’m beane, I’m pointing to the other great players on the team who just took extensions where they left a little on the table.

 

would I go up to 12 or 12.5?  Of course.   But I’d start at 11.5 and go from there

[HappyDays]

45 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

John wouldn't just throw this stuff out there unless he heard it from a source. So I wonder if the Bills just aren't all that interested in extending him under any circumstances... But that seems to conflict with some of the reports that say the two sides are not far apart on getting a deal done. Very strange situation.

 

So according to John it just comes down to annual guarantees. That would explain why national reporters are saying the sides aren't too far off. This makes me more optimistic an extension will happen without breaking the bank.

[MasterStrategist]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So according to John it just comes down to annual guarantees. That would explain why national reporters are saying the sides aren't too far off. This makes me more optimistic an extension will happen without breaking the bank.

I've said guarantees from the start. Give Cook $26m gtd and it'd be done.