Josh Allen in the NFL Hall of Fame

[tomur67]

Not counting a Super bowl victory, how much more would Josh have to accomplish to be elected to the Hall of Fame?

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, tomur67 said:

Not counting a Super bowl victory, how much more would Josh have to accomplish to be elected to the Hall of Fame?

Starring as Hailee's leading man in a Broadway musical

[Walking Tall]

It’s like porn. I’ll know it when I see it.

[mushypeaches]

He’s got to at least get to a SB.  No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

Starring as Hailee's leading man in a Broadway musical

 

Broadway Josh? I don’t think so.    

 

Just keep doing what he’s doing, and stay healthy.  That’s enough. A Lombardi trophy cements it. 

 

Edit, I wonder how many here are too young to remember Broadway Joe Namath stretched out in his pose in his stockings.

Edited 6 hours ago by Augie

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

He’s got to at least get to a SB.  No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria

 

I think it's a moot point, as if he plays a long career and isn't hampered by a serious injury, he'll at least make a Super Bowl. But I disagree.

 

If he plays for a long time and doesn't fall off a cliff early, I think he's already Hall of Fame bound. His accolades, numbers, records, and performances in games that are considered perhaps the greatest of all time alone will get him in.

 

It's silly to say, "well Warren Moon was the last person to get in without a Super Bowl appearance so Josh can't do it without one". His career (again, without a major injury derailing things) will easily surpass that of Warren Moon. Dan Marino appeared in a single Super Bowl, but had he not, he'd have still gotten in. And Josh is a modern day Dan Marino level QB.

 

I also feel pretty safe in saying Philip Rivers will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame without a Super Bowl appearance. Maybe not 1st Ballot bc of that, but he will make it in the coming years and reset the clock on that supposed qualification.

 

We're obviously putting the cart before the horse here and I don't like talking about such things bc I'm slightly superstitious. But, in my opinion, Josh Allen is a Future HOF'er right now with or without a Super Bowl appearance so long as he doesn't fall apart before his mid 30's.

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Augie]

33 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

It’s like porn. I’ll know it when I see it.

 

 

….but…. what if you go blind? 

 

[Peace Frog]

23 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

….but…. what if you go blind? 

 

Just watch it until you need glasses.

[mjt328]

6 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

He’s got to at least get to a SB.  No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria

 

Disagree.

He can make it based on statistics alone. 

And right now, Josh Allen is well on pace (barring injury) to shatter every dual-threat QB record on the books.

 

For his first 7 seasons in the NFL, Allen is currently:

- 1st all-time in total yards

- 1st all-time in total touchdowns

- 1st all-time in total wins

 

Over 13 playoff games, he is also:

- 1st all-time in postseason yards per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdowns per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdown/INT ratio

 

Looking strictly at the Bills history, Allen is only a couple seasons away from breaking every Bills passing record currently held by Hall of Famer Jim Kelly.  He's already passed HOF running back OJ Simpson in rushing touchdowns, and will pass HOF running back Thurman Thomas next year.  He's currently #5 in rushing yards all-time for the team, and (believe it or not) it's actually possible for him to become #1 in that stat too.  Has any QB ever broken the yardage AND touchdown records for their team in BOTH passing and rushing?

 

Currently, Allen has 262 total touchdowns in his career.  He's already over half-way to being Top 5 in the history of the NFL.  Meaning 7 more seasons at the same pace, and he's right there.  Now, I'm not sure if he will ever catch Tom Brady (677 total), but everyone else on that list (Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre) can potentially be passed if Allen can keep playing into into his late 30s at a high level.  Seven more seasons makes him only 36, and some QBs are now playing well into their early 40s.

 

At the current pace, he's also half-way to being Top 10 all-time in passing touchdowns (#9 or #10 depending on how long Matthew Stafford plays).  It's totally conceivable for him to land right around the Top 5 on this list as well.

 

And the clincher... Allen is also half-way to being #3 all-time in RUSHING touchdowns (he will likely pass Cam Newton at the QB position either this year or next).  Again, not sure he can quite catch Emmitt Smith at 164.  But he could pass everyone else on that list, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

 

[TheWei44]

26 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Disagree.

He can make it based on statistics alone. 

And right now, Josh Allen is well on pace (barring injury) to shatter every dual-threat QB record on the books.

 

For his first 7 seasons in the NFL, Allen is currently:

- 1st all-time in total yards

- 1st all-time in total touchdowns

- 1st all-time in total wins

 

Over 13 playoff games, he is also:

- 1st all-time in postseason yards per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdowns per game

- 1st all-time in postseason touchdown/INT ratio

 

Looking strictly at the Bills history, Allen is only a couple seasons away from breaking every Bills passing record currently held by Hall of Famer Jim Kelly.  He's already passed HOF running back OJ Simpson in rushing touchdowns, and will pass HOF running back Thurman Thomas next year.  He's currently #5 in rushing yards all-time for the team, and (believe it or not) it's actually possible for him to become #1 in that stat too.  Has any QB ever broken the yardage AND touchdown records for their team in BOTH passing and rushing?

 

Currently, Allen has 262 total touchdowns in his career.  He's already over half-way to being Top 5 in the history of the NFL.  Meaning 7 more seasons at the same pace, and he's right there.  Now, I'm not sure if he will ever catch Tom Brady (677 total), but everyone else on that list (Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre) can potentially be passed if Allen can keep playing into into his late 30s at a high level.  Seven more seasons makes him only 36, and some QBs are now playing well into their early 40s.

 

At the current pace, he's also half-way to being Top 10 all-time in passing touchdowns (#9 or #10 depending on how long Matthew Stafford plays).  It's totally conceivable for him to land right around the Top 5 on this list as well.

 

And the clincher... Allen is also half-way to being #3 all-time in RUSHING touchdowns (he will likely pass Cam Newton at the QB position either this year or next).  Again, not sure he can quite catch Emmitt Smith at 164.  But he could pass everyone else on that list, including LaDainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

 

My only quibble with alot of the above is that they play more games now that in the past, so "first 7 seasons" stats are skewed in favor of current players.  I believe Allen is better than Kelly, but Kelly played fewer games per season (no fault of his own) so he is handicapped vs. Allen.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think it's a moot point, as if he plays a long career and isn't hampered by a serious injury, he'll at least make a Super Bowl. But I disagree.

 

If he plays for a long time and doesn't fall off a cliff early, I think he's already Hall of Fame bound. His accolades, numbers, records, and performances in games that are considered perhaps the greatest of all time alone will get him in.

 

It's silly to say, "well Warren Moon was the last person to get in without a Super Bowl appearance so Josh can't do it without one". His career (again, without a major injury derailing things) will easily surpass that of Warren Moon. Dan Marino appeared in a single Super Bowl, but had he not, he'd have still gotten in. And Josh is a modern day Dan Marino level QB.

 

I also feel pretty safe in saying Philip Rivers will make the Pro Football Hall of Fame without a Super Bowl appearance. Maybe not 1st Ballot bc of that, but he will make it in the coming years and reset the clock on that supposed qualification.

 

We're obviously putting the cart before the horse here and I don't like talking about such things bc I'm slightly superstitious. But, in my opinion, Josh Allen is a Future HOF'er right now with or without a Super Bowl appearance so long as he doesn't fall apart before his mid 30's.

The average HoF QB has 2 championships, 2 first team All Pros, and 7 Pro Bowls.

 

Rivers has 8 ProBowls. Josh has 4 and an MVP.

 

The MVP helped his case immensely but he still has some hardware to stack to get in imo.

 

I liked Rivers a lot but him and Matt Ryan  and Russ Wilson just fall short to me.

[BringBackFergy]

Looking forward to an update in the thread “Where is Josh Allen on the List of All Time NFL TD’s”. Last I checked he was between Todd Collins and Cleo Lemon. 

[WotAGuy]

I wonder what Josh’s average length of TD run is and how it compares to the RBs near the top of the TD list. (hint, hint; I WONDER, but not enough to do the math).
 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by WotAGuy

[Rubes]

Would Dan Marino still have made it to the HOF if he didn't make it to that one Super Bowl at the beginning of his career?

 

[Blainorama5]

Honestly, if he never gets us to the Super Bowl (please not be true), I think he's already on the cusp of HOF already.

13 minutes ago, Rubes said:

Would Dan Marino still have made it to the HOF if he didn't make it to that one Super Bowl at the beginning of his career?

 

Yes.  That lone early SB was a cruel twist of fate for him, but his career after that was what got him in.  imo

[Lafromboise]

Well he already is in the hall of fame. I'm pretty sure he's in there that's performance based through his career so far

Edited 4 hours ago by Lafromboise

[MJS]

If he wins a superbowl he'll be in there. If he doesn't, he needs another 7 years of high production.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

He’s got to at least get to a SB.  No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria

 

No he doesn't. We're all going to be disgusted if Josh doesn't win a Super Bowl, let alone win one. However, I think 2 more years of the typical seasons he's had for the last 5 years makes him a shoe-in 1st ballot HOFer... Super Bowl or not.

 

And truthfully, I think if his career ended tomorrow (God forbid!!!) he'd still get in, but maybe not 1st ballot.

 

My argument?

 

Find a QB in NFL history who even comes close to the 5 consecutive year stretch Josh just had.

[The Cincinnati Kid]

I can’t believe this is being discussed and there are people unsure if Allen will make the HoF. Good grief. I keep telling myself to stay away from TBD during the offseason…

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

He’s got to at least get to a SB.  No QB since Warren Moon has made it without that criteria

No