Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[Chicken Boo]

Inexplicably, Troy Franklin slipped to the 4th round.  

[PayDaBill$]

And y’all wonder why JA has trust issues and looks frustrated and not quite himself.

 

 

[ddaryl]

7 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

This guy was supposed to be our #1 WR. Now he should probably be benched and a bubble inactive player.

 

Curious what the chart from the OP would look like for this season. I don’t think it would be pretty.

I never thought as Coleman as a #1. I thought of him as a big reciever who would be solid with contested catches

I do not understand who thought Coleman as a #1 WR, or why they would.

That being said he has failed to make the step up and become a reliable target.

[Goin Breakdown]

Just now, PayDaBill$ said:

And y’all wonder why JA has trust issues and looks frustrated and not quite himself.

 

 

I'd really look at one of the PS dudes if they aren't looking outside for a trade. 

[SCBills]

According to the charts, we drafted the worst starting WR in the NFL at pick 33. 

[LabattBlue]

The most disappointing part of Colemans game isn’t the lack of separation(which was widely known at draft time), it is he is TERRIBLE at contested catches, which is critical to his success due to his lack of separation.  
 

He may be off the team come next September if he continues down this road.

[DCOrange]

I'm not going to argue that Coleman is good, but I will point out that his yards per route run is fine, and specifically against man coverage he's been a lot better than Shakir this season (in fact, Coleman's YPRR against man coverage both as a rookie and sophomore is higher than Shakir's in 2 of his 3 seasons).

 

Maybe the lack of separation is viewed as a better indicator of future production than the actual production is, but you could argue that Coleman's YPRR with terrible separation is actually kind of promising lol (or alternatively is just a fluke and his YPRR will start to crumble).

Edited 10 hours ago by DCOrange

[bouds]

Before you showed someone this chart would anyone have guessed DK Metcalf as having worse separation metrics.  

 

Keon's got to be better, simple as that.

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[BlazinBill]

Joe Brady - the crazy part is even going back to Kincaid being drafted- Ken Dorsey had no plan or implementation to use him correctly- I don’t think it’s that different with Keon and Joe- 

Im really not sure what goes into the selection process for offensive weapons here - just seems like I’m either missing something or they are

I’m also gonna say Keon has done nothing to deserve more time or provide JA17 with confidence in throwing his way

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Unstartable. 

Agreed. He should be on the bench.

 

54 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

The most disappointing part of Colemans game isn’t the lack of separation(which was widely known at draft time), it is he is TERRIBLE at contested catches, which is critical to his success due to his lack of separation.  

Well said. 

Guys like Metcalf get away with lack of separation because he will jump over the DB and get the ball.

Coleman cant run, cant separate, and cant catch. 

Tough to be a WR with those skills.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

I'm not going to argue that Coleman is good, but I will point out that his yards per route run is fine, and specifically against man coverage he's been a lot better than Shakir this season (in fact, Coleman's YPRR against man coverage both as a rookie and sophomore is higher than Shakir's in 2 of his 3 seasons).

 

Maybe the lack of separation is viewed as a better indicator of future production than the actual production is, but you could argue that Coleman's YPRR with terrible separation is actually kind of promising lol (or alternatively is just a fluke and his YPRR will start to crumble).

 

 

Yeah I can't be totally out on Coleman yet despite his struggles to make an impact this year.   I watched Davante Adams struggle to adapt to NFL coverage for several years while guys like OBJ and Sammy came out hot.  Adams has had the last laugh on everybody in that WR draft.  Even, arguably, Mike Evans......who while great has never been the NFL WR1 overall that Adams was for a several year stretch.

 

On the hoof, Coleman has very similar physical traits to Adams.   He might even have greater body control.   What he didn't have was nearly as much receiving experience as Adams had coming out of Fresno State.   And we just don't know how Keon is going to mature and if he is intelligent enough or is going to work at his craft enough to elevate above his limitations.  It's not LIKELY that Coleman becomes an NFL WR1 but I haven't seen anything to say it surely can't happen yet.

 

But the biggest problem anyone should have had with the Coleman selection was that he really didn't fit the Bills timeline.   He didn't.   They needed to do more.  But it's not the first time they've done something like this though.   Josh Allen looked like a LONG term project.  Tremaine Edmunds the same.  But physically they were the most imposing prospects at their position available at that pick.   I'd say Coleman was also that.  Allen got good fast.   Edmunds is probably just now reaching his potential.  Hopefully Coleman gets their by year 4 and hopefully Beane stops banking on his breakout like he seems to have done.

[DCOrange]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I can't be totally out on Coleman yet despite his struggles to make an impact this year.   I watched Davante Adams struggle to adapt to NFL coverage for several years while guys like OBJ and Sammy came out hot.  Adams has had the last laugh on everybody in that WR draft.  Even, arguably, Mike Evans......who while great has never been the NFL WR1 overall that Adams was for a several year stretch.

 

On the hoof, Coleman has very similar physical traits to Adams.   He might even have greater body control.   What he didn't have was nearly as much receiving experience as Adams had coming out of Fresno State.   And we just don't know how Keon is going to mature and if he is intelligent enough or is going to work at his craft enough to elevate above his limitations.  It's not LIKELY that Coleman becomes an NFL WR1 but I haven't seen anything to say it surely can't happen yet.

 

But the biggest problem anyone should have had with the Coleman selection was that he really didn't fit the Bills timeline.   He didn't.   They needed to do more.  But it's not the first time they've done something like this though.   Josh Allen looked like a LONG term project.  Tremaine Edmunds the same.  But physically they were the most imposing prospects at their position available at that pick.   I'd say Coleman was also that.  Allen got good fast.   Edmunds is probably just now reaching his potential.  Hopefully Coleman gets their by year 4 and hopefully Beane stops banking on his breakout like he seems to have done.

Yep, think I've said it once or twice on this board already, but I liked Coleman as a prospect but did not at all understand the idea behind him being essentially our only option in the X role without any competition/depth as he hopefully develops.

[Billsflyer12]

2 hours ago, PayDaBill$ said:

And y’all wonder why JA has trust issues and looks frustrated and not quite himself.

 

 

Didn’t Josh have a hand in him being drafted by the Bills?  Josh liked and wanted him.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

No WR is going to put up big numbers in this offense. It’s the entire premise on how it’s built. I don’t understand how people still aren’t getting it. It doesn’t matter who it is. There are to many guys that will touch the ball. A good day for a WR is going to be 4 catches. It’s how it’s always going to be with Brady. It’s by design. And our RB is one of the best players in the league. Even he should get more touches than he does. It’s a waste of time worrying about who these WRs are. This is how we want to play offense. Colman is going to do what he’s doing because this is what we are trying to do. The Bills don’t even hide it. They flat out said it was going to be that way and people still don’t get it lol 

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[PayDaBill$]

7 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Didn’t Josh have a hand in him being drafted by the Bills?  Josh liked and wanted him.

It’s not just Coleman he has no wideout support.

[dakarider17]

Steve Smith just did a video about Coleman and he has no field awareness of the defense, he basically walks right into coverage

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I'm not going to argue that Coleman is good, but I will point out that his yards per route run is fine, and specifically against man coverage he's been a lot better than Shakir this season

Isn't that what you'd expect from the slot guy, who is going to be schemed open a lot more than he's going to flat-out beat his man?

Shakir is doing his job, and particularly after the catch. Keon sometimes is called on to beat his man one-on-one, and it just almost never happens.

I was a Keon defender last year, since I thought he showed signs of emerging. I've officially given up on him.

20 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

No WR is going to put up big numbers in this offense. It’s the entire premise on how it’s built. I don’t understand how people still aren’t getting it. It doesn’t matter who it is. There are to many guy that will touch the ball. A good day for a WR is going to be 4 catches. It’s how it’s always going to be with Brady. It’s by design. And our RB is one of the best players in the league. Even he should get more touches than he does. It’s a waste of time worrying about who these WRs are. This is how we want to play offense. Colman is going to do what he’s doing because this is what we are trying to do. The Bills don’t even hide it. They flat out said it was going to be that way and people still don’t get it lol 

Well, yeah, but that wasn't the way it was with peak Diggs.

So basically you're just saying that Coleman isn't even in the same league as a true #1 receiver. He's not even in the same league as peak Gabe Davis. Which is to say: a disappointment, even at 33.

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, dakarider17 said:

Steve Smith just did a video about Coleman and he has no field awareness of the defense, he basically walks right into coverage

 

I see it.

[Rubes]

4 hours ago, DJB said:

 

Yup he still stinks 

 

 

With that one and the second one, you'd almost conclude that Coleman and DK Metcalf are just about the same...

 

[DCOrange]

17 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Isn't that what you'd expect from the slot guy, who is going to be schemed open a lot more than he's going to flat-out beat his man?

Shakir is doing his job, and particularly after the catch. Keon sometimes is called on to beat his man one-on-one, and it just almost never happens.

I was a Keon defender last year, since I thought he showed signs of emerging. I've officially given up on him.

Not sure I'm following. You're saying guys that are schemed open a lot more are less likely to put up yards vs. someone that has to get open on his own?