Derek Carr is retiring

[ProcessTruster]

18 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Why? They can have a horrible year and be in line to draft Arch Manning ..

that would actually be an amazing result. 

 

if you are going to tank for a QB, this is the year to do it, with the strength of next years QB draft class.

 

timing is everything

Edited May 11 by ProcessTruster

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

18 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Kirk Cousins just started salivating...

 

 

According to Spotrac, he's made $196 million in his career.

 

The 'laugh' reaction was for the Cousins observation.

So, what's next for Carr?  RuPaul's Drag Race? 🤔

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

On a different note... "“Kellen Moore declares open an QB competition among Tyler Shough, Jake Haener, and Spencer Rattler”

 

 

 

Are those QBs, or characters out of GTA5? 🤔

[T master]

Hello Fox ... Uh ESPN ??

[Thurman#1]

On 5/11/2025 at 2:41 AM, Bills!Win! said:

David Carr was a bust. Did they think Derek and his large hateable forehead would be any different? 

 

 

David Carr was a bust largely because Houston figured an offensive line was more a guideline than a requirement. He had the confidence and the poise pounded out of him.

 

That team failed him.

 

 

[Jauronimo]

On 5/10/2025 at 12:15 PM, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

According to Spotrac, he's made $196 million in his career.

 

My heart goes out to him.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

David Carr was a bust largely because Houston figured an offensive line was more a guideline than a requirement. He had the confidence and the poise pounded out of him.

 

That team failed him.

 

 

 

As important as John Brown and Beasley were when they were brought in to help josh in year 2.  They also replaced Groy/Bodine with Morse, Ducasse with Spain, and Mills with Ford.  They also added depth with Feliciano, Nsekhe and Spencer long.  They definitely whiffed on moving on from Teller, but they did use those picks to help acquire Diggs, and added Bass in the 6th.  

[billsfan89]

13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

David Carr was a bust largely because Houston figured an offensive line was more a guideline than a requirement. He had the confidence and the poise pounded out of him.

 

That team failed him.

 

 

 

Going to an expansion franchise is insanely hard to do as a rookie QB and David Carr also had an issue where the expansion draft rules weren't that good for the Texans which meant that getting the franchise off to a hot start like the Jags and Panthers was not gonna happen (I think the other owners basically didn't want to be too favorable for expansion teams so they defacto punished the Texans and returning Browns). I would love to have seen Derrick Carr with the Texans team that Matt Schuab had. Schuab had a lot better O-line and a good complement of weapons and a defense that improved somewhat. Carr was just given Andre Johnson and not much else. 

[machine gun kelly]

You know there is a theory Carr did this on purpose to get out of the contract, and thinks after a years rest he might come back to another team.  IDK.  

[Mr. WEO]

This is why Saleh is too dumb to ever get another HC shot:

 

"At the start of the 2023 offseason, the Jets didn’t actually believe acquiring Aaron Rodgers was realistic. Getting Derek Carr, however, was — especially after the Raiders released him a month before free agency. The Jets visited with Carr in Florham Park and a group that included head coach Robert Saleh took him out to dinner, during which they told Carr they felt he could make it to the Hall of Fame if he came to New York. They had visions of Carr leading the Jets back to the playoffs while also mentoring Wilson behind the scenes."

 

lol

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This is why Saleh is too dumb to ever get another HC shot:

 

"At the start of the 2023 offseason, the Jets didn’t actually believe acquiring Aaron Rodgers was realistic. Getting Derek Carr, however, was — especially after the Raiders released him a month before free agency. The Jets visited with Carr in Florham Park and a group that included head coach Robert Saleh took him out to dinner, during which they told Carr they felt he could make it to the Hall of Fame if he came to New York. They had visions of Carr leading the Jets back to the playoffs while also mentoring Wilson behind the scenes."

 

lol

 

I just don't think he's HC material tbh.  I feel like coaching is a mixed bag of - X's and O's, gamecalling, and leadership.  Seeing a sirianni win a super bowl to me indicates that leadership certainly has different types for different teams, but i never got the vibe that Saleh was a particularly good leader. 

 

The clueless look on his face when things didn't go right extended to the media, and he couldn't handle the ownership and management meddling very well.  Just a football coach, which to me seems like a lifetime coordinator.  

[Doc Brown]

On 5/12/2025 at 11:24 AM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

As important as John Brown and Beasley were when they were brought in to help josh in year 2.  They also replaced Groy/Bodine with Morse, Ducasse with Spain, and Mills with Ford.  They also added depth with Feliciano, Nsekhe and Spencer long.  They definitely whiffed on moving on from Teller, but they did use those picks to help acquire Diggs, and added Bass in the 6th.  

The argument I always make when the team "sets up a QB to fail" I always point to that 2018 Bills team.  Drake Maye last year is now the 2nd best example.  If you've got it you got it imo.  A team can ruin a middle of the road NFL starter though.

[TheFunPolice]

Derek Carr has shown some serious flashes of talent...

 

Remember early last season when the Saints came out and dropped 45+ points on the first 2 opponents? Now one was Carolina but the other was Dallas, in Dalls, and they won 44-19. Carr's stats in those games weren't as flashy as you would think given the scores, but he played some good ball in New Orleans and also obviously for the Raiders at times. 

 

Injuries did him in. It seemed like he was always getting hurt, the trying to play through injuries, and it cost him in terms of consistency. 

[stuvian]

On 5/12/2025 at 3:48 PM, machine gun kelly said:

You know there is a theory Carr did this on purpose to get out of the contract, and thinks after a years rest he might come back to another team.  IDK.  

 

I think he'll unretire once he can pass a physical. 34 is pretty young in QB years. 

[Captain Hindsight]

On 5/13/2025 at 11:44 AM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I just don't think he's HC material tbh.  I feel like coaching is a mixed bag of - X's and O's, gamecalling, and leadership.  Seeing a sirianni win a super bowl to me indicates that leadership certainly has different types for different teams, but i never got the vibe that Saleh was a particularly good leader. 

 

The clueless look on his face when things didn't go right extended to the media, and he couldn't handle the ownership and management meddling very well.  Just a football coach, which to me seems like a lifetime coordinator.  

Not to lean too hard on my namesake, but the Jets should have fired Salah at the end of last season. His handling of the Jets losing Rodgers was abysmal. They clearly had no plan besides let Rodgers be Rodgers, and that went out the window in one series. That team was far too talented to be that bad the rest of the season.

 

His handling of Zach Wilson that year, a QB who was very talented and had a chance at redemption, was thrown under the bus for the poor play of the offense and ultimately benched for Tim Boyle. They told Zach they would trade him, then begged him to play again later in the year when it was finally clear he was their best option by far. It was clear that salah had no idea how to manage a crisis and every week it got worse

 

I think the Jets would have been far better last year with a new HC that was willing to go all in with Rodgers, who had a fresh message and an offensive identity 

Edited 5 hours ago by Captain Hindsight

[Buffalo716]

On 5/13/2025 at 1:45 PM, Doc Brown said:

The argument I always make when the team "sets up a QB to fail" I always point to that 2018 Bills team.  Drake Maye last year is now the 2nd best example.  If you've got it you got it imo.  A team can ruin a middle of the road NFL starter though.

Plenty of good QBs have been ruined lol

 

David Carr was a so much better football player than Derek.. he went to an expansion franchise that let him get sacked 65 times a year and ruined his career 

 

Drake maye I'm not  ready to say he's going to be a top 10 starter

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[stuvian]

On 5/13/2025 at 11:44 AM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I just don't think he's HC material tbh.  I feel like coaching is a mixed bag of - X's and O's, gamecalling, and leadership.  Seeing a sirianni win a super bowl to me indicates that leadership certainly has different types for different teams, but i never got the vibe that Saleh was a particularly good leader. 

 

The clueless look on his face when things didn't go right extended to the media, and he couldn't handle the ownership and management meddling very well.  Just a football coach, which to me seems like a lifetime coordinator.  

 

I'll forgive any coach who didn't succeed with the Jets because they (and the Bears) are the kiss of death. I think Todd Bowles has done an admirable job in TB. Herm Edwards put up a respectable showing in KC post Jets as well.

 

Aaron Glenn has the makings of a good coach but putting your career in the hands of Justin Fields seems a high risk proposition. I'll bet that Sean Payton gets some trade value out of Zach Wilson. 

 

I agree with your point about different leadership styles suiting different situations. I was somewhat amazed and disappointed how quickly and badly Doug Pederson flamed out in Jacksonville. I thought he would do well with a young team and QB.

Edited 4 hours ago by stuvian

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Plenty of good QBs have been ruined lol

 

David Carr was a so much better football player than Derek.. he went to an expansion franchise that let him get sacked 65 times a year and ruined his career 

 

Drake maye I'm not  ready to say he's going to be a top 10 starter

David Carr's biggest weaknesses were holding onto the ball too long (very similar to Rob Johnson), reading pre snap blitzes, and would try to run instead of throwing the ball away (not ideal when you're a pocket QB).  Give him a lousy offensive line and that's what you get.

[CA OC Bills Fan]

On 5/18/2025 at 7:18 AM, stuvian said:

 

I think he'll unretire once he can pass a physical. 34 is pretty young in QB years. 

The Saints would still own his rights however unless they agree to let him find employment elsewhere.

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

David Carr's biggest weaknesses were holding onto the ball too long (very similar to Rob Johnson), reading pre snap blitzes, and would try to run instead of throwing the ball away (not ideal when you're a pocket QB).  Give him a lousy offensive line and that's what you get.

David Carr was much better than Derek Carr coming out .. and Derek was a 10-year starting quarterback

 

That's why circumstances is everything in the NFL.. the expansion franchise absolutely ruined David's career I think one of the worst lines in the NFL history

 

 he had a strong accurate arm, he could move, he had good size with a quick short release.. that Texans team was terrible and had one of the worst NFL lines ever assembled

 

Sam Bradford was another insanely talented quarterback who due to a lot of circumstances did not have a long great career .. but he was insanely talented , always hurt... And still getting traded for first round picks

 

bradford is wayyy better than a quarterback like Brock purdy..  purdy again is showing the NFL is all about situations 

 

He would probably be nothing much on 28 franchises 

 

But he went to the right circumstance with the right coaches and the right scheme

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716