Is Cook worth it?

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's right, he's playing out the season no matter what. And the Bills know it. Teams hold all the power in these situations. It's why Trey Hendrickson just relented in a situation that was much much more toxic than what we have going on with Cook. Ultimately Cincy held his rights and he was giving up $50,000 per day to skip training camp, and missing regular season games is not remotely an option for any player thinking rationally. Hassan Reddick did it and just ended up screwing himself for no reason. Teams know 99% of players are not going to really follow through on their threats to skip regular season games, so they just wait it out. That's what will happen with Cook. I don't begrudge him for trying any tactic he has to get paid, but there's only one possible outcome and the Bills know it.

The question is “Do we want him beyond this year?”  Of course we do.  His skills are perfect for this offense.  There’s nobody out there available who can do what he does.  Also, I think he’ll have his best year yet.  I predict he’ll get 13.5 million with incentives and 30 million guaranteed before game 1.

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Dan Mitchells voice is SO annoying, and his content reeks of "influencer". Can't stand him. 

And I love Joe. 

Sorry, triggered LOL.

thats to bad you are triggered... I happen to know Dan personally... and Influencer is not dan.

[balln]

56 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm not disputing he had a great year for TDs or that he isn't a good player

 

You just can't pay RBs anymore

The eagles and ravens say hi

[QCity]

9 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

I’m not ready to get rid of the only RB since CJ Spiller that can run outside and get around defenders with his speed and elusiveness.

 

 

 

I don't think that's the comparison you want to make. Spiller was completely washed after his 4th year, and is an example of why you don't pay RBs.

[boater]

In three seasons, Cook has shown he is not in the $15 AAV club. Cook is not a workhorse. Cook doesn't do for the Bills what a $15+ AAV RB does for his team. For example, 2024:

 

Cook 207 attempts 1009 yards

Saquon Barkley 345 attempts 2005 ($20 AAV)

Jonathan Taylor 303 attempts 1431 ($14)

Alvin Kamara 228 attempts 950  ($12)

Josh Jacobs 301 attempts 1329 ($12)

 

Cook has the 2025 season to prove himself. If he produces in 2025--I say pay the man (next spring). But at this point he is producing like a $12 AAV player like Kamara or Jacobs. Asking for $15 now is a bit silly, people supporting the hold-in are a bit silly also.

[sunshynman]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

No more letting guys walk. I don't care if its a 7th round pick and a box of athletic tape. Get SOMETHING for him.

no one letting him walk, we let him play out his contract.

[balln]

16 minutes ago, ScottishBills said:

 

a) they didnt cap his touches the year before so much and he wore down, fairly obviously

 

b) he can't do what the 75% snap guys can do. No matter how many fanboys claim he can. He just doesn't have the bulk to do it.

 

Completely subjective. You’d have to do a deep

dive. What defenses did they play. Different rosters in 2023 and 2024. Hell diff coordinators. The whole team had to grind to just beat mia to make the playoffs. Yet got 2nd seed. They played top D that year PiT and KC. They got so injured on D / or they stunk so bad they had to ground and pound to make Sean’s D not look so bad

[Buffalo716]

52 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yep.

 

$14-17M for Knox to be backup TE

$9M/yr on Palmer who has done nothing

$8M for Samuel to be WR4 role player

$7M for Hoecht to sit out suspended

$7M for Ogunjobi to do the same...

 

But we cant pay Cook, our most productive Offensive player outside of the league MVP, our only player besides Josh listed in the NFL Top 100 because... "he's a RB"

 

Crazy.

Until you see hoecht and ogubjobi on the field and then you realize we have a beefed up front 4 collapsing pockets

 

And that Palmer was severely underrated 

 

In January and February the Buffalo Bills need to be collapsing pockets to win the super bowl... The Chiefs had 0 points at halftime.. sure eagles offense is good... It's what they did to Patrick mahomes that we need to do to beat him 

 

We need to finally get to Patrick

 

17 minutes ago, balln said:

The eagles and ravens say hi

Technically those guys are thoroughbreds on a different realm than James Cook who's a 190 lb 

 

James Cook is a tremendous playmaker, he's not physically any of those guys.. he would die after a 350 touch season

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, ScottishBills said:

 

a) they didnt cap his touches the year before so much and he wore down, fairly obviously

 

b) he can't do what the 75% snap guys can do. No matter how many fanboys claim he can. He just doesn't have the bulk to do it.

 

 

This is b*ll*cks.

[TheBrownBear]

Nice player, but he's slight and a poor blocker, and just not suited to every down back usage. The Bills are probably using him perfectly right now and would be foolish to compensate him as an elite every down back. Let him sit in now. Once the season starts, hopefully he's a good soldier, gives an honest effort and hits the open market in the offseason where he can determine his true value.

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

The timing on the Cook stuff is frustrating. Comes to camp, practices, then decides one day nah I'm sitting out. 🙄 

 

Beane is smart enough and has the cajones to tell him hes under contract, you either play or sit the year. I understand the value to trade him would diminish but I don't think he's going to budge from whatever number he has on Cook right now (and it aint $20 mil or whatever he's asking).

 

 

 

I 100 percent believe he saw Shakir get hurt and said “nope, I’ll wait on a deal.”

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'll take three NFL players over one NFL player... We're not getting Justin Jefferson

I disagree with basically your entire post but this part is the most stark.

 

You could call EVERY team in the league for WR1-25 and exactly zero point zero percent of them would trade that guy for Palmer+Ogunjobi+Moore.

 

Moore couldn’t even find a job until April.

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Three players for one and then they'd still have to fill those holes.

Holes?

 

DK would effectively replace the need for Palmer/Moore at all, and we are going 6 weeks without Larry already. That’s partly why we drafted 4 more DL players this year.

 

 

[BuffaloBill]

14 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Agreed. Not a three down back imo. 

 

This^^^^ The Bills look to have misplayed the situation though. Remember his brother also pushed for money so why would the Bills have thought differently with James? History Repeats itself

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I disagree with basically your entire post but this part is the most stark.

 

You could call EVERY team in the league for WR1-25 and exactly zero point zero percent of them would trade that guy for Palmer+Ogunjobi+Moore.

 

Moore couldn’t even find a job until April.

Holes?

 

DK would effectively replace the need for Palmer/Moore at all, and we are going 6 weeks without Larry already. That’s partly why we drafted 4 more DL players this year.

 

 

Umm well Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore combined for more yards than DK last year..  so if the bills had DK and he went for 1,000 yards 

 

But we add Palmer and moore and Palmer goes for 800 and moore goes for 500... That's literally better than one wide receiver going for a thousand 

 

And we added a big dude who is a good d tackle

 

Sorry I don't agree with you when you say nobody would take those three players for just DK Metcalf lol I would take Justin Jefferson over those three

 

You are severely overrating DK who does not have a full route tree.. and he has had drop problems in his career

 

If DK goes for 1,000 and these two guys go for over 1,000 that shows it's the right move.. DK goes for 1400 and our guys combined go for 800, it shows we were wrong 

 

But I'm pretty sure our two guys will have more than DK.. and we have shakir and Coleman and Knox and Kincaid 

 

 in that perspective that's why I don't care about DK.. I did want more beef up front and hoecht and ogunjobi going to be good

Edited Monday at 08:25 PM by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

This^^^^ The Bills look to have misplayed the situation though. Remember his brother also pushed for money so why would the Bills have thought differently with James? History Repeats itself

Dalvin Cook was a different animal

 

he wasn't big but in his prime he was imo pound for pound one of the most violent backs in the league

[Pete]

No, and its pathetic how Cook is acting.  He is putting himself above the team.  Beane holds all the cards, no matter how much Cook tweets and pouts

[Thrivefourfive]

Cook deserves more money than he’s getting in the last year of that rookie deal. What he’s worth as an NFL runningback isn’t the same as what he’s worth to the Bills, at this moment. Imagine if Davis gets dinged.. 

 

Cook has a decently strong position here in negotiations. Unless of course he thinks he’s getting $15m per for more than three years. I have to believe the Beane and Cook are close. 
 

Edited Monday at 08:30 PM by Thrivefourfive

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

He had more snaps and touches in 2023. He broke down at the end of season, and it was evident in the playoffs. The Bills reduced his snaps, carries and receptions in 2024 and he stayed productive. They found the sweet spot for him. 

 

Players grow. They learn how to better take care of their bodies, not take clean hits, etc.

 

Pay him or trade him.  

[RoscoeParrish]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Umm well Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore combined for more yards than DK last year..  so if the bills had DK and he went for 1,000 yards 

 

But we add Palmer and moore and Palmer goes for 800 and moore goes for 500... That's literally better than one wide receiver going for a thousand

Um Moore had 102 targets himself.

 

Moore and Palmer had 167 targets combined. DK had 108.

 

I don’t understand how you view these things. Do you think Moore and Palmer are gonna combine for 167 targets and 1300 yards in Buffalo?

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, QCity said:

 

I don't think that's the comparison you want to make. Spiller was completely washed after his 4th year, and is an example of why you don't pay RBs.

Only referring to his speed. Not contracts. Buffalo always has slower RB’s