BarleyNY Posted August 4 Posted August 4 15 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Who says he can't handle more? He averaged less than 15 touches per game. He should be seeing 20 plus. 2 receptions per game ain't it for a guy like Cook. He had more snaps and touches in 2023. He broke down at the end of season, and it was evident in the playoffs. The Bills reduced his snaps, carries and receptions in 2024 and he stayed productive. They found the sweet spot for him. 2 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted August 4 Posted August 4 Just now, GoBills808 said: I'm not disputing he had a great year for TDs or that he isn't a good player You just can't pay RBs anymore Can you give some of the money you are going to give back up DL serving PED suspensions and give it to an RB instead 1 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Was that a CTW report? I had the years of the 2nd and 4th round picks in the trade reversed. James Cook for Michael Parsons Quote
ScottishBills Posted August 4 Posted August 4 1 minute ago, RoscoeParrish said: Can you give some of the money you are going to give back up DL serving PED suspensions and give it to an RB instead Exactly. And can you pay Moore and Cook and a draft pick rather than Moore and Samuel and Palmer and not Cook? Cook has an elite ceiling in his specific role. We need to keep those sorts of players rather than collecting a bunch of mids 1 Quote
The Firebaugh Kid Posted August 4 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: Dan Mitchell has zero inside knowledge and not particularly high ball knowledge, he just desperately wants to get famous as a Bills "insider." Unfortunately for him and fortunately for us we have Cover One and Joe Marino, who do have a ton of ball knowledge. I could care less about the insider thing. I watched 2 Dan Mitchell things on youtube and promptly hit "do not recommend this channel." Good, he sucks. I don't even think he's a Bills fan. Just some jackoff trying to capitalize on their success. Quote
JP51 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 hours ago, Bruffalo said: I think it's possible Cook could get 15 million on the open market, but it's contingent on how this season goes for him. He has one season of elite production. Cook is probably a top 10 RB in the league, but he needs to show it can be consistent. If he desperately wants the contract before the season starts, he probably needs to make concessions. I can't say what I'd do in that situation because 10-15 million dollars is just an unfathomable amount of money to me, but having 12-13 million guaranteed moving forward would sound pretty appealing being an undersized RB in the league. An injury this season could derail his chances of getting any high end contract. Thats the quadry right... you have a RB who had 1 excellent season... he finished 1st (tied) for TDs 16th in Rushing Yards 18th in rush yards per game 8th in ypcarry 22nd in first downs 30 ish in recieving yards 26th in total yards from scrimmage 16th in 20+ runs He wants paid like a top 3 RB at 17 mm or whatever... I wonder if he signs with the Cardinals or the Jets, Patriots, Saints, Cowboys, Bears, Giants, Packers, Steelers, Browns, etc... if he is number 1 in TDs again... or was that production a function of the an offense that moved the ball at will... Just looking at stats... you see where there is a quandry behind wanting to groom and keep your own and investing 17mm plus into this player... I dont know if he should or shouldnt do it... but in he end he cant let this tear the team up... I suspect he is likely to cut bait here unless the contract is substantially less than 17mm... 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted August 4 Posted August 4 6 minutes ago, ScottishBills said: Exactly. And can you pay Moore and Cook and a draft pick rather than Moore and Samuel and Palmer and not Cook? Cook has an elite ceiling in his specific role. We need to keep those sorts of players rather than collecting a bunch of mids Yep. $14-17M for Knox to be backup TE $9M/yr on Palmer who has done nothing $8M for Samuel to be WR4 role player $7M for Hoecht to sit out suspended $7M for Ogunjobi to do the same... But we cant pay Cook, our most productive Offensive player outside of the league MVP, our only player besides Josh listed in the NFL Top 100 because... "he's a RB" Crazy. 2 1 2 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yep. $14-17M for Knox to be backup TE $9M/yr on Palmer who has done nothing $8M for Samuel to be WR4 role player $7M for Hoecht to sit out suspended $7M for Ogunjobi to do the same... But we cant pay Cook, our most productive Offensive player outside of the league MVP, our only player besides Josh listed in the NFL Top 100 because... "he's a RB" Crazy. There’s an argument to do none of those things, but to me, paying Cook trumps at least 80% of those other moves. I don’t mind saying paying RBs is risky business, but it would hardly be a bigger risk or waste than some of those other contracts. Edited August 4 by RoscoeParrish 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said: There’s an argument to do none of those things, but to me, paying Cook trumps at least 80% of those other moves. I don’t mind saying paying RBs is risky business, but it would hardly be a bigger risk or waste than some of those other contracts. Well it's not like there isn't precedent w this FO😂😂 They actually paid TWO rbs in Carolina between Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted August 4 Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Well it's not like there isn't precedent w this FO😂😂 They actually paid TWO rbs in Carolina between Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams They paid Tolbert as well. Interesting 3 headed monster that was. Quote
BeastMaster Posted August 4 Posted August 4 I was in the camp of not paying Cook and giving in to his demands which I thought were too much given that he hasn't shown to be a top back and he's clearly aided by a top flight offensive line and franchise QB. I also didn't agree with how he went about it. Then he showed up for camp and was saying the right things. I was actually leaning more towards trying to find a way to pay him. Now that he's back to being a distraction and not putting in the work it once again makes me feel more like we should not give in to his demands. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 (edited) 7 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said: Palmer, Moore and Ogunjobi have the same cap hit as DK Metcalf. That’s not the “best they can do.” That’s what they decided to do INSTEAD of going after star talent. We aren’t forced to budget shop. We prefer it. DK Metcalf is good he's not a superstar He's probably between 20 and 25 for wide receivers in the NFL ... He's good he's not a star in my mind.. he's a 65 catch 950 to 1,000 yd guy.. that's nothing special in today's modern NFL I don't think he'll ever go for 1300 yards again which he did once.. I think his Peak now is probably 1100 but he's basically a 950 to 1,000 yard guy with a limited route tree It's the NFL, 30% of the league is undrafted free agents.. everybody down to the last player on a roster has a lot of talent I'll take three NFL players over one NFL player... We're not getting Justin Jefferson Palmer is about to go off this year and Elijah moore has a nice skill set and we needed bigger bodies on D I'll take our three over DK.. ogonjobi when he comes back is about to plug up our middle I'll take the three guys who are probably going to help our team in multiple ways next year Josh has two new weapons and we're going to have a new defensive tackle who's good in our rotation... I'll take that over one wide receiver Edited August 4 by Buffalo716 2 Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 4 Posted August 4 47 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said: I have said it before, but I firmly believe each and every player should do everything in their power to maximize their earnings while in the league. Get what you can young man, I support you. These irrational RB holdouts though always seem to end with the player getting less in the long run. He’s hurting himself here. Quote
balln Posted August 4 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: again in what world is 1,009 yards rushing and 258 receiving elite? What’s his yards per? I bet it’s elite. The bills CHOOSE to rotate the backs. Hell they play Alec Anderson at TE more than Knox! It’s like DL rotation = RB rotation. How about 18TDs? 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I forgot that both brothers had the same agent. This is one of the issues right there. I hope Beane holds strong, we have to send a message to all future FA's that we are more than fair, but wont be bullied into breaking. Beane has crafted damn good deals for our guys he wanted to keep Being old school, IF he plays I give him 300+ touches at Running this year. That is the number the elite, workhorse backs hit. Lol the number of touches isn’t up to cook. The coaches and their rotations and their incessant need for keeping players fresh is the issue 1 Quote
MJS Posted August 4 Posted August 4 7 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said: Palmer, Moore and Ogunjobi have the same cap hit as DK Metcalf. That’s not the “best they can do.” That’s what they decided to do INSTEAD of going after star talent. We aren’t forced to budget shop. We prefer it. Three players for one and then they'd still have to fill those holes. Quote
ScottishBills Posted August 4 Posted August 4 5 minutes ago, balln said: Lol the number of touches isn’t up to cook. The coaches and their rotations and their incessant need for keeping players fresh is the issue a) they didnt cap his touches the year before so much and he wore down, fairly obviously b) he can't do what the 75% snap guys can do. No matter how many fanboys claim he can. He just doesn't have the bulk to do it. 1 Quote
SectionC3 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 What’s easier to replace? Cook or 2/3 of the IOL that keeps the NFL MVP in one piece? I go with the IOL. That said, I think cook is probably worth $12m. I just don’t see how he gets it here with McGovern, Edwards, and Torrence all up soon. We can’t pay everyone, and cheap at RB might be the way to go. Maybe this ends in a Poyer type scenario where he gets a little bit of a raise and some incentives and then tests the market in the spring. Quote
Breakout Squad Posted August 4 Posted August 4 I’m not ready to get rid of the only RB since CJ Spiller that can run outside and get around defenders with his speed and elusiveness. His breakaway speed is incredible. Cook has been a revelation for our offense. 1 Quote
BillsfaninSB Posted August 4 Posted August 4 6 minutes ago, balln said: What’s his yards per? I bet it’s elite. The bills CHOOSE to rotate the backs. Hell they play Alec Anderson at TE more than Knox! It’s like DL rotation = RB rotation. How about 18TDs? Per an earlier post: 1st (tied) for TDs 16th in Rushing Yards 18th in rush yards per game 8th in ypcarry 22nd in first downs 30 ish in recieving yards 26th in total yards from scrimmage 16th in 20+ runs Quote
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