Diggs' Drama

[Mr. WEO]

On 6/5/2025 at 3:58 AM, Billsfed1 said:

If they force feed Shakir like that the numbers are the same.  Different skill set but I have no doubt he’d be a 1200-1400 yard receiver 

 

no chance that would be true. 

[extrahammer]

It's crazy Diggs clearly got caught on camera with drugs and ain't nothing gonna happen. 

[uticaclub]

1 minute ago, extrahammer said:

It's crazy Diggs clearly got caught on camera with drugs and ain't nothing gonna happen. 

What do you want to happen? He was never caught with possession; you can’t prove what it was.

Edited 17 hours ago by uticaclub

[extrahammer]

2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

What do you want to happen? He was never caught with possession; you can’t prove what it was.

 

I mean, it's clearly some type of drug based on the fact he's not saying it was something else and he IS saying he isn't talking about it. I guess I'm just surprised at how lax the league policy is now about stuff like that. I mean sure, I can't prove exactly what drug it is, but again it's naive to think it wasn't drugs on any level based on the fact he's not clarifying that it's not and he's saying he isn't going to talk about it. In terms of what do I want to happen? Well, they're a rival so of course I want a suspension but it's clear that's not going to happen. It's just crazy to me. 

[Captain Hindsight]

14 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

I mean, it's clearly some type of drug based on the fact he's not saying it was something else and he IS saying he isn't talking about it. I guess I'm just surprised at how lax the league policy is now about stuff like that. I mean sure, I can't prove exactly what drug it is, but again it's naive to think it wasn't drugs on any level based on the fact he's not clarifying that it's not and he's saying he isn't going to talk about it. In terms of what do I want to happen? Well, they're a rival so of course I want a suspension but it's clear that's not going to happen. It's just crazy to me. 

No way to prove what it was. Any discipline wouldn't hold up 

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

No way to prove what it was. Any discipline wouldn't hold up 

A drug test would prove it.

Unless he carries the drugs around for show rather than for ingestion.

[pennstate10]

On 6/3/2025 at 11:55 PM, Starr Almighty said:

 

Perhaps this is where it's coming from

Huh. Interesting pronoun choice. Not that there is anything wrong with that. 

[Alphadawg7]

On 6/10/2025 at 3:15 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

no chance that would be true. 

Yes he would.  You don’t think Shakir could get 379 more yards on 60 more targets?  Of course he could.   
 

Diggs is the better WR in his prime without question, he was legit top 5.  Shakir isn’t going to put up the same season as Diggs…But to say Shakir has no chance to get to 1200-1400 yards if he saw 160 targets is just not accurate.  

Edited 12 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[nedboy7]

I wanna try some pink drugs!  

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, extrahammer said:

 

I mean, it's clearly some type of drug based on the fact he's not saying it was something else and he IS saying he isn't talking about it. I guess I'm just surprised at how lax the league policy is now about stuff like that. I mean sure, I can't prove exactly what drug it is, but again it's naive to think it wasn't drugs on any level based on the fact he's not clarifying that it's not and he's saying he isn't going to talk about it. In terms of what do I want to happen? Well, they're a rival so of course I want a suspension but it's clear that's not going to happen. It's just crazy to me. 

I think the nfl would be hard pressed to cost him millions under the reasoning “must have been illegal if he doesn’t want to talk to reporters about it” even if we all have the very reasonable assumption of what it is

[ROCBillsBeliever]

4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I wanna try some pink drugs!  

 

Here you go, sir:

 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Yes he would.  You don’t think Shakir could get 379 more yards on 60 more targets?  Of course he could.   
 

Diggs is the better WR in his prime without question, he was legit top 5.  Shakir isn’t going to put up the same season as Diggs…But to say Shakir has no chance to get to 1200-1400 yards if he saw 160 targets is just not accurate.  

 

At his catch rate and YPR last year, 60 more targets would mean 492 more yards.

[uticaclub]

5 hours ago, extrahammer said:

 

I mean, it's clearly some type of drug based on the fact he's not saying it was something else and he IS saying he isn't talking about it. I guess I'm just surprised at how lax the league policy is now about stuff like that. I mean sure, I can't prove exactly what drug it is, but again it's naive to think it wasn't drugs on any level based on the fact he's not clarifying that it's not and he's saying he isn't going to talk about it. In terms of what do I want to happen? Well, they're a rival so of course I want a suspension but it's clear that's not going to happen. It's just crazy to me. 

Could have been crushed up Pepto for an upset stomach; the whole party might have had some bad tacos. You think you know what you saw, but you have absolutely no way of proving it.

[Slowcoach]

I am just about certain that Diggs will have more success this year ran most of us hope he has.  Might be 3 catches for 5 yards.  Or 50 for 600.  

[JerseyBills]

On 6/10/2025 at 6:15 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

no chance that would be true. 

Why do you feel that way? Just curious..

 

Obviously they're 2 completely different receivers but I agree that Shakir would put up monstrous #s with that many targets 

[Doc Brown]

37 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Why do you feel that way? Just curious..

 

Obviously they're 2 completely different receivers but I agree that Shakir would put up monstrous #s with that many targets 

It's possible but highly unlikely.  Shakir's strength is finding soft spots in zone and YAC ability.  He isn't a superb route runner like Beasley and has a small catch radius with his microscopic arms so that limits his opportunities down the field.  He's not going to win many closely contested catches.  I think 1,000 is a possibility but I'd be shocked if he ever cracked 1,200 yards.   

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

At his catch rate and YPR last year, 60 more targets would mean 492 more yards.

 

Yeah that was my whole point

[Alphadawg7]

35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's possible but highly unlikely.  Shakir's strength is finding soft spots in zone and YAC ability.  He isn't a superb route runner like Beasley and has a small catch radius with his microscopic arms so that limits his opportunities down the field.  He's not going to win many closely contested catches.  I think 1,000 is a possibility but I'd be shocked if he ever cracked 1,200 yards.   

 

What is being discussed is if Shakir got Diggs same target share (160 targets) compared to the 100 targets he got last year could he hit 1200-1400 yards.  He had 821 yards on 100 targets...60 more targets is another 492 yards, which is over 1313 yards.  And if you use his career averages it would project to even more yards.  

 

And Shakir is actually a really good route runner and the arm thing is maybe one of the most over exaggerated aspects of his game and you would be hard pressed to find many examples on film where this negatively impacted his ability to make a play when given the opportunity.  

 

Now will he get 160 targets probably not, and definitely not in this offense as no one will hear under Brady with how they spread the ball around and incorporate the run game.  But IF he got 160 yards he clearly would finish in the 1200-1400 yard range, and its not really a question to be honest, its simple math.

Edited 10 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[TheBrownBear]

7 hours ago, uticaclub said:

What do you want to happen? He was never caught with possession; you can’t prove what it was.

You'd like to think they could at least punish the Pats by giving them a couple extra 3rd round compensation picks!

[Doc Brown]

43 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What is being discussed is if Shakir got Diggs same target share (160 targets) compared to the 100 targets he got last year could he hit 1200-1400 yards.  He had 821 yards on 100 targets...60 more targets is another 492 yards, which is over 1313 yards.  And if you use his career averages it would project to even more yards.  

 

And Shakir is actually a really good route runner and the arm thing is maybe one of the most over exaggerated aspects of his game and you would be hard pressed to find many examples on film where this negatively impacted his ability to make a play when given the opportunity.  

 

Now will he get 160 targets probably not, and definitely not in this offense as no one will hear under Brady with how they spread the ball around and incorporate the run game.  But IF he got 160 yards he clearly would finish in the 1200-1400 yard range, and its not really a question to be honest, its simple math.

That's the Gabe Davis and Isiah McKenzie sales pitch I heard.  He's not a bad route runner but he's better creating space after the catch than before.  It's why his stats are better against zone coverage.  The arm length thing isn't over exaggerated as he is in the bottom 1% of WR's.  It's why he can't play outside as press man coverage eliminates him from the play.  He also isn't going to win any 50/50 balls down the field.  I was actually pleasantly surprised with the amount of production he had last year down the field on deep throws given his limitations but that usually came on low trajectory deep ball passes or broken plays.  My guess is we'll never have worse outside WR's than we had last year so those opportunities will decline 

 

His strong suit is finding the soft spot in zones and running after the catch.  Allen likes to push the ball downfield so you're never going to see him get Wes Welker like production which we are talking about with over 1,200 yards from a purely slot WR.

Edited 9 hours ago by Doc Brown