uticaclub Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 35 minutes ago, benderbender said: The sudden thirst for truth about DC is odd considering we swam in a sea of ambiguity for a few seasons now. When you juxtapose that with non-answers for 13 seconds, the Cincinnati acute emotional exhaustion, Frazier's coaching status, and the Dorsey getting fired for the special teams letdowns, it just proves that we not only don't need definitive answers, we don't even want them. Dorsey was let go because we blitzed on 3rd & forever setting up the FG. We stay back and let the DBs so their job, Dorsey still has a job with Buffalo Edited February 27 by uticaclub 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Dorsey was let go because we blitzed on 3rd & forever setting up the FG. We stay back and let the DBs so their job, Dorsey still has a job with Buffalo Dorsey was let go because our offense consistently showed little ability to adjust and create rhythms to operate through during a game. And, the team as a whole needed a shakeup and Dorsey's exit could provide that without damaging the team's production. And Brady came in and improved the offense which was a plus. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 hours ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, that was weird. Graham states that per Butler and per McDermott, Butler left on amicable terms. There is the implication that he wanted to receive the DC job, and that he left after he got passed over for Bobby Babich. Then Graham several times implies it couldn't have been amicable - earlier than the piece you quoted he alludes that "amicable parting" is a term used to cover-up a some internal brangling: But, he offers no evidence to support his implication and in fact quotes Butler several times as saying no scandal, amicable, no crazy story. Then he uses examples like Brady leaving the Patriots and the Beatles breaking up (well known to have rancor behind them) to conclude if those could happen "an assistant coach can conclude it's time to move on". Either Graham is obtuse, or he's being too cute with trying to imply that there's something shady going on behind the scenes without offering any evidence. It seems logical to me that if Butler thought he should be tapped as DC, he wouldn't be happy sitting in a meeting room with Bobby Babich as his boss. Personally from what I can tell, Babich may be more qualified, but the ultimate judgement on that is of course McDermott's. I thought there were a couple of glaring omissions in Graham's Ode to Butler as our DB coach. One of them was the mysterious case of Kaiir Elam, a first round pick who had some good play at the end of last season and then seemingly fell down the depth chart to game-day inactive. He has talent, so if Butler is a great talent developer, why is Elam collecting splinters in his butt? Then there are some questions about key breaks in coverage at key moments. Not dissing Butler, he's obviously done some great work here, but I thought Graham's article had some weird aspects. So it sounds more like Butler talks about leaving when he felt it was time to move on in his career and Tim Graham imagines what it'd be like if he did dish like Graham wanted, one day he'll get the story he wants if he wishes on a star hard enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 20 minutes ago, Cray51 said: Dorsey was let go because our offense consistently showed little ability to adjust and create rhythms to operate through during a game. And, the team as a whole needed a shakeup and Dorsey's exit could provide that without damaging the team's production. And Brady came in and improved the offense which was a plus. That is all true but Dorsey doesnt get fired after Denver if it wasn't for defensive blunders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Graham needs to stick to special features. It’s the only thing he does well as a journalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Goo goo g'joob, classic era. For modern day version, please see 'Reid, Andy'. Magical Mystery Tour was my first record album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Isn't that last, bolded block of historic breakup analogies (old Brady/New England and of course the still-young effing Beatles) ABSOLUTELY ABSURD AND HYPERBOLIC when applied to the "mutual parting of ways" of an obscure DB coach who hasn't generated squadoosh for genuine outside interest, and a successful-ish defense with multiple rising coaching talents? It's obscene. It's laughable. Butler is speaking highly of himself in the 3rd person. 99% of Bills fans did not wonder at any time recently why John Butler left. 98% thought he left 24 years ago and the other 1% understood the dynamic. There is a touch of humor in that follow up paragraph as well as perhaps a stroke of Butler's ego. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Tbh I've read it twice now and I didn't get that at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Butler another arrogant big headed coach who hasn’t done anything to compare himself to Tom Brady, Montana and Gretzky. Out of touch, glad he is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 5 hours ago, boyst said: didn't he pass away? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 23 minutes ago, wppete said: Butler another arrogant big headed coach who hasn’t done anything to compare himself to Tom Brady, Montana and Gretzky. Out of touch, glad he is gone. Butler didn't make those comparisons. Tim Graham did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NORWOODS FOOT Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I’m gonna hold a seance and interview the *real* John Butler… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Butler is speaking highly of himself in the 3rd person. 99% of Bills fans did not wonder at any time recently why John Butler left. 98% thought he left 24 years ago and the other 1% understood the dynamic. There is a touch of humor in that follow up paragraph as well as perhaps a stroke of Butler's ego. "John would never do that!" "Neither would George!!" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 How do you dish on someone? This must be a millennial thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerstAusGosheim Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Butler was fired. He's pissed. After Bobby's dad got him the job, he lucked into coaching healthy Poyer, Hyde and Milano in their prime. It's like winning the coaching lottery. Now Bobby's the rising star. And Butler is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 12 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Isn't that last, bolded block of historic breakup analogies (old Brady/New England and of course the still-young effing Beatles) ABSOLUTELY ABSURD AND HYPERBOLIC when applied to the "mutual parting of ways" of an obscure DB coach who hasn't generated squadoosh for genuine outside interest, and a successful-ish defense with multiple rising coaching talents? It's obscene. It's laughable. Thats the point. If teams move on from all time greats with no other motivation than its time for the player or team to move on, no hatred, scandal, or blow ups, then is it so crazy to think that an assistance coach might similarly move on. There isn't always more to the story. He isn't suggesting Butler is an all time great assistant to the regional defensive quality control specialist or that this move is franchise altering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Are there people who would have chosen Butler over Babich for DC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Thats the point. If teams move on from all time greats with no other motivation than its time for the player or team to move on, no hatred, scandal, or blow ups, then is it so crazy to think that an assistance coach might similarly move on. There isn't always more to the story. He isn't suggesting Butler is an all time great assistant to the regional defensive quality control specialist or that this move is franchise altering. Yeah it's a little clumsily phrased but you have to try pretty hard to make it seem like this is anti Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 hours ago, Cray51 said: Dorsey was let go because our offense consistently showed little ability to adjust and create rhythms to operate through during a game. And, the team as a whole needed a shakeup and Dorsey's exit could provide that without damaging the team's production. And Brady came in and improved the offense which was a plus. Doresy was let go because the Bills running game couldn't be stopped and he refused to take advantage of that. They averaged 7.4 yards per carry, while the passing game was only averaging 6.8 yards per attempt. What Offensive coordinator only runs the ball 26 times while averaging 7.4 yards a carry? A coordinator who deserves to get fired. The Bronco's couldn't stop the run game, only incompletions and interceptions, caused the drives to end. He should've run the ball until Cook and Murry were puking or finally stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Sounds like Timmah being Timmah. He's probably tight with Ty Dunne too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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