What is your level of patience on not advancing to the Super Bowl?

[SinceThe70s]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If that impresses you, this is what you'll get:

 

Or maybe this?

 

 

To be clear I am not fully in Sean's corner - I think it's a great point of debate on both sides of the coin.

 

But the insistence on one side that Sean is destined to be Marty II with no acknowledgement that any other outcome is possible is an exceedingly weak argument imo. History suggests to me that either outcome is possible.

[BullBuchanan]

55 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Or maybe this?

 

 

To be clear I am not fully in Sean's corner - I think it's a great point of debate on both sides of the coin.

 

But the insistence on one side that Sean is destined to be Marty II with no acknowledgement that any other outcome is possible is an exceedingly weak argument imo. History suggests to me that either outcome is possible.

Cowher won a a conference championship his 4th season with Neil O'Donnell. Stop it. He kept them in the playoffs and dragged Kordell Stewart to two more AFC Championship games before he finally got Roethlisberger and went to a 4th his rookie year.

Honestly, comparing Sean to Marty is a poor example. Marty was actually a very good coach that elevated every team he was a part of. He just had a ceiling. Sean doesn't have that kind of pedigree. What we do know is that he's an underachiever who game in and game out, year in and year out makes the same mistakes. He can elevate bottom of the roster type players, especially on defense, but he's incapable of being a force multiplier to our strengths, which is what we need in critical matchups. .  Instead our biggest players often disappear when we need them most. You can also always count on him for multiple boneheaded clock management and playcall blunders in the most crucial spots of games He might be the 2nd coming of Mike Smith.

[SoonerBillsFan]

I'm going to say something way off base here and say... I don't care.  Do I want us to win one, yes!   But I for one have gotten so obsessed with winning a superbowl, that I haven't really enjoyed just watching the team play. 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Advancing to the Super Bowl is not what I am interested in.  Sure it will make some people think that is closer to the goal but this team has to win it all.  Shanahan is in a similar position to McDermott even though he has advanced to the Super Bowl twice 

Edited February 19 by Matt_In_NH

[Matt_In_NH]

On 2/16/2024 at 12:12 PM, GoBills808 said:

I would have made a change already

 

McDermott is already the 4th longest tenured HC in the league and out of the top 10 (certainly the top5) has the least to show for it

I assume you think losing the SB means you have more to show.  I don’t but I get the argument.  This team goes toe to toe consistently with KC.  KC is their problem and they are one of the best groups in the history of the league with 3 of 5 super bowls and winning three.  bills runs into them earlier than SF based on the conference they are in.  I can criticize McDermott but the reality is someone else is much likelier to make the team worse than better.   So my question for those who want him gone is for who?

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I'm going to say something way off base here and say... I don't care.  Do I want us to win one, yes!   But I for one have gotten so obsessed with winning a superbowl, that I haven't really enjoyed just watching the team play. 

 

 

 

Genuinely, that isn't healthy. I got there for a time with Arsenal in the early 00s. We had an incredible team playing fantastic football and when I look back now I don't know how much, if at all, I enjoyed it at the time. Because I was so obsessed with the outcome. I was a teenage / in my early 20s and definitely less mature but I lived emotionally through the team. I have been much better at enjoying this era of Bills football and Arsenal's renaissance the past couple of years because I have recognised that my emotions have zero impact on the outcome. Still get nervous, still delighted when they win and gutted when they lose. But I enjoy watching the games. 

13 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Advancing to the Super Bowl is not what I am interested in.  Sure it will make some people think that is closer to the goal but this team has to win it all.  Shanahan is in a similar position to McDermott even though he has advanced to the Super Bowl twice 

 

Agree. As you said in your following post the Bills and SF are in the same place IMO. They are the two teams who can and do go toe to toe with KC but can't get past them in the post season. San Fran gets to see them later because of conference alignment. Nothing more than that. 

[Gugny]

7 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I'm going to say something way off base here and say... I don't care.  Do I want us to win one, yes!   But I for one have gotten so obsessed with winning a superbowl, that I haven't really enjoyed just watching the team play. 

 

 

The ONLY time I got there was during the Tyrod Taylor era. 
 

When I read the news that he’d been traded (for a third round pick, no less), not only was it one of the happiest Bills-related moments of my life, it was instantly one of those “I know where I was/what I was doing when,” moments. 
 

Incidentally, I was at home, taking a dump. 
 

Couldn’t have been scripted better. 

[Sweats]

Participation trophies for everybody!!!.....but seriously, McD should have been let go after the 13 second debacle and i really don't know how anyone could defend him.

[nedboy7]

Losers whine about falling short of the goal.  Sometimes literally daily. 

Winner mentality takes the loss as a challenge and comes back to try again. 

This is called life.  Not participation trophies.  Stop whining.  It's ugly. 

[corta765]

I would have made wholesale changes after the loss to CIN. After this year and the fact the team did respond to him and more importantly the offense went back to being a dynamic powerful unit we liked he has through next year.

[BillsfaninCT]

HC does what script says, you're looking for a change amongst the rod and gun club my friend for a new script.  Good luck generating more revenue than swifties lol

Edited February 19 by BillsfaninCT

[stuvian]

The "Decade of Fail" was actually 18 years from 1999 to 2017. I was a season ticket holder from 2006 to 2018 during which there were no home playoff games. We went out in round one on the road versus the Jags in 2017.

 

You have never known what it is like to have the cold weather part of your season ticket package descend into worthlessness because you have been effectively eliminated by week 10.

 

Now we have a regime and franchise QB who have had us in the playoffs seven of eight seasons with one advancement to the conference title game where we lost in OT. Everyone is suddenly screaming because it isn't happening fast enough so therefore we must fire everybody. 

 

I saw what I needed to see when McDermott took us from 6-6 to 11-6 and did so through the most difficult opponents on our schedule. Losing by a FG to the eventual SB champs is not only a sign we are knocking on the door but also something established fan bases in many cities would die for. 

 

The Pegulas made a legacy hire when they formed the Beane - McDermott tandem. I didn't always think so but I do now. I don't know what the locker room dynamics were before Dorsey and Frazier left but the organization seems more cohesive as a result. Canning everyone would set us back years.

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, stuvian said:

The Pegulas made a legacy hire when they formed the Beane - McDermott tandem. I didn't always think so but I do now. I don't know what the locker room dynamics were before Dorsey and Frazier left but the organization seems more cohesive as a result. Canning everyone would set us back years.

 

It was a legacy hire because the two work very well together.  Not such a team since early 90s in Buffalo.  

[uticaclub]

On 2/16/2024 at 7:33 AM, Virgil said:

This is tough for me.  Normally, I would say they should make the change this offseason.  But then again, what are we really asking for here?  We are looking for someone to do what no one else can.  I'd argue that McD plays Reid better than any other coach.  We scored more points against the Chiefs than anyone else did in the playoffs, same in prior years.  

 

With that being said, you're asking do we drop the #2 coach for a hopeful coach that can do what no one else has.  

 

I'm not sure how to answer that honestly.  

McDermott is far below the #2 coach. If there was a coaching draft I doubt he goes top 15. Mostly because unproven guys have more upside, where McDermott you know your plateau.

[Beast]

It’s not about advancing to the Super Bowl.

 

It’s about winning it. 
 

That’s all that matters.

[Chaos]

On 2/19/2024 at 9:29 PM, stuvian said:

franchise QB

This is the reason for the end of the fail. Full stop.  Everything is else is the reason we have leveled off at current levels. It is reasonable to be happy with current levels. It is reasonable to think that maybe the breaks will fall the Bills way and they will break out of current levels.  It is also reasonable to think that there is not going to be a breakout from the current level without making some major change.  Its part of what makes sports interesting. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 more season. 
 

It’ll be hilarious if the Bills hire a defensive minded HC again though. 

[FilthyBeast]

I would have fired McDivisional after 13 seconds and have said as much since being here and on social media. You don't come back from that and this year in the playoffs validated that if there was any doubt left....which is why I would have also fired him without thinking twice about it a few weeks ago after losing to the Chiefs for the 3rd time in 4 years and this time in front of your home fans.

 

But apparently because this owner actually must believe coaching isn't the issue and buys all the excuses some of the fans do (i.e. injuries) we are going to keep having this conversation until JA17's prime has passed, retires early, plays elsewhere, etc.

[Gregg]

12 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

1 more season. 
 

It’ll be hilarious if the Bills hire a defensive minded HC again though. 

 

I would take Bill as the HC. Knows how to win the big games. Not only a better HC than Sean but DC as well.

[Marcus Aurelius]

 

No patience.

I'm old and yell at clouds  ...

[Sweats]

On 2/19/2024 at 9:29 PM, stuvian said:

The "Decade of Fail" was actually 18 years from 1999 to 2017. I was a season ticket holder from 2006 to 2018 during which there were no home playoff games. We went out in round one on the road versus the Jags in 2017.

 

You have never known what it is like to have the cold weather part of your season ticket package descend into worthlessness because you have been effectively eliminated by week 10.

 

Now we have a regime and franchise QB who have had us in the playoffs seven of eight seasons with one advancement to the conference title game where we lost in OT. Everyone is suddenly screaming because it isn't happening fast enough so therefore we must fire everybody. 

 

I saw what I needed to see when McDermott took us from 6-6 to 11-6 and did so through the most difficult opponents on our schedule. Losing by a FG to the eventual SB champs is not only a sign we are knocking on the door but also something established fan bases in many cities would die for. 

 

The Pegulas made a legacy hire when they formed the Beane - McDermott tandem. I didn't always think so but I do now. I don't know what the locker room dynamics were before Dorsey and Frazier left but the organization seems more cohesive as a result. Canning everyone would set us back years.

 

 

 

 

I was a season ticket holder from 2001 until 2016 (i couldn't stomach it anymore and gave them up).......man, that was the most miserable 15 years to ever be a Bills fan. Every year we went into it thinking that there may be a slight chance that something will happen this year and......nothing ever happened.  Well, nothing good ever happened anyways.

 

Let me say it like this.....when the punter (Moorman) is the face of your franchise, there is very little to look forward to each season.

I felt your pain, brother.....i was there. I lived it and anyone who doesn't remember those days should go back down memory lane and respect how awful it truly was. It will give them a newfound hope for the future of this franchise.

[SCBills]

The frustrating thing is.. aside from 13 seconds.. there's been a valid excuse.  

 

-We flat out weren't ready in the AFC CG, and we were so young in this team's evolution that we were fine with it. 

 

-Damar Hamlin and injuries (Von, Jones, Allen) tanked us physically and emotionally.  It showed against NE.  It showed against MIA.  It finally caught up to us against a team able to take advantage of it in CIN.

 

-Injuries to Gabe Davis and half of our Defense against KC.

 

However, you can't have an excuse every year.  At some point, it's a you issue.  And whatever we're doing, has not been working, because when it comes time to step up in the postseason, nobody but Josh Allen consistently does.  Whether they get hurt during the year and are out, or severely banged up or just don't rise to the occasion, some introspection needs to be done as to why this keeps occurring.  

[T master]

I'm a life long Bills fan have been here through it all & i'm not going anywhere . That being said I would much rather have a HC that gets us to the play offs every year than have one that doesn't because the only way you have a chance to win it is if you get in the play offs ...

 

GO BILLS !!!  

[Chaos]

12 minutes ago, T master said:

I'm a life long Bills fan have been here through it all & i'm not going anywhere . That being said I would much rather have a HC that gets us to the play offs every year than have one that doesn't because the only way you have a chance to win it is if you get in the play offs ...

 

GO BILLS !!!  

We have a QB who gets us to the playoffs every year. That is clear.  It is less clear who else is contributing, holding us back or simply along for the ride.  

[Nihilarian]

 I posted this in another thread and looking at the poll, I don't understand why Bills fans are so unhappy with this coaching staff. 

 

"If the Buffalo Bills happened to be in the NFC they probably would have already been in the SB. The best team in the NFL has kept them out.

 

Wanna see a chart that shows the best teams in the NFL in the last five years?  The top five are the Chiefs 63-20, Bills 58-24, Ravens 56-27, Packers 56-27, 49ers 54-29. 

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/best-teams-in-the-last-5-years-in-nfl

 

The Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, now Spags have just been the best team in the NFL. The Buffalo Bills lost to the Chiefs this season in the playoffs... at home... with an injury-riddled defense... by a missed FG. "

 

The way I see it, nothing lasts forever and the Chiefs are just about done considering that Jim Harbaugh is now the HC for the Chargers. The Raiders should be better as should Denver. 

 

Buffalo needs to win home-field throughout and have an injury-free end-of-season. Sometimes it's just luck. 

[T master]

15 minutes ago, Chaos said:

We have a QB who gets us to the playoffs every year. That is clear.  It is less clear who else is contributing, holding us back or simply along for the ride.  

 

Does coaching have anything to do with where the offense & defense ranks each year ?

 

Seeing as the only 2 teams that have made it to the play offs each of the last 5 years those being the Chiefs & the Bills i would say that it may have just a little to do with those coaching & choosing the players . But maybe that's just me .

 

I would rather be like todays Bills than the old Bills always changing HC's & never sniffing the play offs but hey if you want to be the other guy have at it .

 

So how many Super Bowl appearances did it take before you wanted to fire Marv ??

 

Please name me 1 person that if brought in as a HC of the team that would guarantee that the Bills would go to the Super Bowl . 

 

John Gruden 🤔 .

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

Does coaching have anything to do with where the offense & defense ranks each year ?

 

Seeing as the only 2 teams that have made it to the play offs each of the last 5 years those being the Chiefs & the Bills i would say that it may have just a little to do with those coaching & choosing the players . But maybe that's just me .

 

I would rather be like todays Bills than the old Bills always changing HC's & never sniffing the play offs but hey if you want to be the other guy have at it .

 

So how many Super Bowl appearances did it take before you wanted to fire Marv ??

 

Please name me 1 person that if brought in as a HC of the team that would guarantee that the Bills would go to the Super Bowl . 

 

John Gruden 🤔 .

 

There are no guarantees but Bill's record when he has had an elite level QB speaks for itself.

[Chaos]

9 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Does coaching have anything to do with where the offense & defense ranks each year ?

 

Seeing as the only 2 teams that have made it to the play offs each of the last 5 years those being the Chiefs & the Bills i would say that it may have just a little to do with those coaching & choosing the players . But maybe that's just me .

 

I would rather be like todays Bills than the old Bills always changing HC's & never sniffing the play offs but hey if you want to be the other guy have at it .

 

So how many Super Bowl appearances did it take before you wanted to fire Marv ??

 

Please name me 1 person that if brought in as a HC of the team that would guarantee that the Bills would go to the Super Bowl . 

 

John Gruden 🤔 .

if the standard is guaranteeing a Super Bowl, are you saying McDermott is a failure, or are you saying he guarantees us a Super Bowl or are all other coaches held to a higher standard than McDermott?

[T master]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

There are no guarantees but Bill's record when he has had an elite level QB speaks for itself.

 

Yes it surely does 5 play off appearances , 1 AFC Championship appearance , 4 AFC East Championships !!! 

 

And some of those appearances in the play offs and 1 AFC East Championship was with a skeleton crew running the 4th & 5th LBers and their biggest pass rusher coming off a ACL injury . 

 

Let me ask you this - IF Millano, Tre, Von, Jones, Spector, & some others that were out for shorter periods of time last season would have stayed healthy for the entire year do you think that would have made a difference ?

 

Then seeing as the number 1 seed in the entire NFL couldn't beat Mahomes do you really think it is a HC ing problem still or is it a Mahomes problem ?

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Yes it surely does 5 play off appearances , 1 AFC Championship appearance , 4 AFC East Championships !!! 

 

And some of those appearances in the play offs and 1 AFC East Championship was with a skeleton crew running the 4th & 5th LBers and their biggest pass rusher coming off a ACL injury . 

 

Let me ask you this - IF Millano, Tre, Von, Jones, Spector, & some others that were out for shorter periods of time last season would have stayed healthy for the entire year do you think that would have made a difference ?

 

Then seeing as the number 1 seed in the entire NFL couldn't beat Mahomes do you really think it is a HC ing problem still or is it a Mahomes problem ?

 

McDermott is a good regular season coach. Nobody would argue that. After 7 years and a few playoff disappointments it is fair to question if he can get the Bills over the hump. Don't forget the Eagles moved on from Reid and he took them to multiple NFCCG. Even with Mahomes 13 seconds should never happen. That is on coaching. KC starting at their own 25 with 13 seconds and they still manage to get the FG. Pathetic.

[T master]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

if the standard is guaranteeing a Super Bowl, are you saying McDermott is a failure, or are you saying he guarantees us a Super Bowl or are all other coaches held to a higher standard than McDermott?

 

I believe that in order to win the SB there are more than just the coaching & players that have to be right in order to win and you need the majority of your team especially your core players or big time money players to be healthy & that if those pro bowl players are not on the field you chances are much less .

 

I IMHO believe that McD will get the Bills to the SB not sure when but i believe it . How long did it take Reid to go to his first ? How long did it take him to win his first as a HC ??

 

McD in HC ing years is still very young & more than likely learning from his mistakes which in some part has held him from the ultimate goal which is why i think some of the coaches that have been here no longer are because he saw what needed to be changed & did it .

 

The past 2 years no matter what any FAN thinks injuries played a huge roll in the out come of the season . Even this year when they finally got those that filled the rolls of the Pro Bowlers that went to IR playing up to speed they got hurt in the play offs .

 

And no matter what McD can't make those players catch balls, make kicks, hold on to the ball, or keep them from committing a penalty none of that can be put on McD in any way shape or form . If you want some one to be fired complain about Diggs, Sheffield, Bass, Cook, & who ever else screwed up because those plays not made would have turned the out come of those games more than anything McD supposedly did or didn't do !! 

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

McDermott is a good regular season coach. Nobody would argue that. After 7 years and a few playoff disappointments it is fair to question if he can get the Bills over the hump. Don't forget the Eagles moved on from Reid and he took them to multiple NFCCG. Even with Mahomes 13 seconds should never happen. That is on coaching. KC starting at their own 25 with 13 seconds and they still manage to get the FG. Pathetic.

 

Was McD calling the D for the 13 seconds game ?? That is more than likely why Frazier is no longer here . A good HC makes the changes needed to be better . And He did .