D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) NOT!!!! another narrative debunked. Playoff performance all time Edited January 24 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 1 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Wins > INT's 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) 23 minutes ago, boyst said: Wins > INT's Wins are a team stat not an individual stat and you know it Edited January 24 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 4 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, boyst said: Wins > INT's But aren't people like you always telling us that Allen's TO' prevent wins? So which is it? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: But aren't people like you always telling us that Allen's TO' prevent wins? So which is it? huh? 18 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Wins area team stat not an individual stat and you know it i do. and interceptions are not on a QB alone. I don't care about most INT's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 He's clearly too conservative and careful with the ball for us to take the next step. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 A lot of those turnovers are the fault of his receivers. Not saying Allen doesn’t deserve criticism for his bone headed decisions, but more of it should be placed on those guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: But aren't people like you always telling us that Allen's TO' prevent wins? So which is it? Josh’s turnovers led to key losses in the regular season, which cost us the chance to rest players in week 18 or potentially get a bye, which led to increased player injuries and an eventual playoff exit. Josh did not have any turnovers this postseason, but while AJ Klein was trying to cover Travis Kelce, all I could think about is the offense turning it over twice in 30 seconds against the Broncos with 1 min left in the half and Josh throwing 3 picks to Jordan Whitehead. 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Bills said: A lot of those turnovers are the fault of his receivers. Not saying Allen doesn’t deserve criticism for his bone headed decisions, but more of it should be placed on those guys. That my friend is very debatable in the playoffs. His team and his coaching staff hasn't been good enough 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Josh’s turnovers led to key losses in the regular season, which cost us the chance to rest players in week 18 or potentially get a bye, which led to increased player injuries and an eventual playoff exit. Josh did not have any turnovers this postseason, but while AJ Klein was trying to cover Travis Kelce, all I could think about is the offense turning it over twice in 30 seconds against the Broncos with 1 min left in the half and Josh throwing 3 picks to Jordan Whitehead. You're kidding right? extrapolating out that way and ignoring that we were the number 2 seed playing at home is suspect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 34 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: NOT!!!! another narrative debunked. Playoff performance all time Holy smokes, Jim Kelly didn't make the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, LarryMadman said: Holy smokes, Jim Kelly didn't make the list. Kelly threw a ton of picks in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Josh’s turnovers led to key losses in the regular season, which cost us the chance to rest players in week 18 or potentially get a bye, which led to increased player injuries and an eventual playoff exit. Josh did not have any turnovers this postseason, but while AJ Klein was trying to cover Travis Kelce, all I could think about is the offense turning it over twice in 30 seconds against the Broncos with 1 min left in the half and Josh throwing 3 picks to Jordan Whitehead. this is pure gold. well done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: That my friend is very debatable in the playoffs. His team and his coaching staff hasn't been good enough You're kidding right? extrapolating out that way and ignoring that we were the number 2 seed playing at home is suspect I think we beat KC if we were the one seed and had the bye instead of playing the Steelers. Benford, Diggs, Spector, Martin, Bernard were all hurt in that game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think we beat KC if we were the one seed and had the bye instead of playing the Steelers. Benford, Diggs, Spector, Martin, Bernard were all hurt in that game. Lol, so the Bills would have had to have 3 more wins and the tie breaker to get the one seed over the Ravens who wouldn't have rested and would have won last games vs Steelers. All to lose in division round again making McDummie look even worse than he does now. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: Holy smokes, Jim Kelly didn't make the list. True and you cannot compare 40 years ago to today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Shoulda beat KC twice and been in two more AFC Championship games.. ugh. Josh doesn't deserve to be saddled with the curse that hovers over our city. He's a good man and a great QB. A HOF'er. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I feel about as bad as one can feel for a guy making 45 million dollars a year. Josh has to be just about perfect for his team to have a chance against a good opponent in the playoffs because his coach and his defense will inevitably choke and even then it's not enough. He has zero margin for error whereas guys like Mahomes can miss wide open TDs like he did early Sunday and not have to worry because the rest of his team will pick up the slack. Allen is the best QB in the league and if he had any kind of competence patrolling the sideline, he'd have a super bowl or two by now. 7 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Not sure that there's much wiggle room for critizing Allen. He's the only reason why we've made the playoffs on McD's watch. His running game in particular. His passing game is being suppressed in the interests of "complimentary football." The fact that he's done and doing what he's done and does with the absolute minimal level of support from Beane to date, while he and McD perpetually tinker with McD's mentally unhealthful pet D, is remarkable in and of itself. Anyone criticizing Allen, at all, doesn't have a clear picture of what's going on with the team. 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 12 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: Lol, so the Bills would have had to have 3 more wins and the tie breaker to get the one seed over the Ravens who wouldn't have rested and would have won last games vs Steelers. All to lose in division round again making McDummie look even worse than he does now. Or we could have had the division locked up and rested starters week 18 like the Chiefs did. Food for thought. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Those Mahomes and Brees stats are wild for only playing 6 and 8 more games than Josh. For some reason I thought he would have more passing yards than 2700. I guess it’s balanced out by the rushing yards… Yeah, Pat isn’t that far behind him. Would never have anyone other than Josh until he retires but I get why people are so enamored and infatuated with Mahomes being the best. Stats and accolades give legitimate cause. 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: Or we could have had the division locked up and rested starters week 18 like the Chiefs did. Food for thought. Don’t believe the rest would have made that much difference. We had our bye-week @ 13… Only 2 teams had anything later; Cardinals & Redskins. I’d argue that having home field given the travel reduction is a bigger advantage than a week of rest… Thats just me though. 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) I thought I'd heard it all. The ends that people go to blame Josh is close to unrivaled in Sports. What I can't understand is how people can't see that this is a team that is mostly pretty mediocre both staff and talent wise other than the QB. He should be the least prioritized problem this team has, all he can do is move closer to perfection. It's confusing to me that some think when he plays the Chiefs the context is so neutral all he has to do is play a little better and we're golden. I ask you Allen critics when? when will you hold the rest of structure around the QB responsible and demand improvements. Edited January 24 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I mean, when it' all said and done. If Josh continues to lead Buffalo to playoff games it's not a stretch to say his all-time playoff stats would be right up there only behind Brady and Mahomes. Just without the hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 25 minutes ago, QB Bills said: I feel about as bad as one can feel for a guy making 45 million dollars a year. Josh has to be just about perfect for his team to have a chance against a good opponent in the playoffs because his coach and his defense will inevitably choke and even then it's not enough. He has zero margin for error whereas guys like Mahomes can miss wide open TDs like he did early Sunday and not have to worry because the rest of his team will pick up the slack. Allen is the best QB in the league and if he had any kind of competence patrolling the sideline, he'd have a super bowl or two by now. You said it perfectly, but there are Bills fans who think McDermott and co. Can be on Josh’s level. It has been proven time and again that even the perfect Josh Allen isn’t good enough in the playoffs. Definition of insanity?? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 55 minutes ago, FireChans said: Josh’s turnovers led to key losses in the regular season, which cost us the chance to rest players in week 18 or potentially get a bye, which led to increased player injuries and an eventual playoff exit. Josh did not have any turnovers this postseason, but while AJ Klein was trying to cover Travis Kelce, all I could think about is the offense turning it over twice in 30 seconds against the Broncos with 1 min left in the half and Josh throwing 3 picks to Jordan Whitehead. And here I thought the bigger problem was that Allen had left the Bills D with three leads inside of 2 minutes left in the game that they couldn't protect. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: And here I thought the bigger problem was that Allen had left the Bills D with three leads inside of 2 minutes left in the game that they couldn't protect. He’s actually left the field with more than 3 leads. You just remember the ones we lost. And in those losses, he contributed greatly to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 13 minutes ago, FireChans said: He’s actually left the field with more than 3 leads. You just remember the ones we lost. And in those losses, he contributed greatly to them. Which losses did he "contribute greatly" to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: Which losses did he "contribute greatly" to? Broncos, Pats, Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 Just now, FireChans said: Broncos, Pats, Jets. And, at the end of the day it mattered not as we won the division and got the 2 home games. What mattered at the end of the day was receivers not making plays when they were there and would've impacted the last game. And, many of us said so back in the Spring when DeAndre Hopkins was available to go get him. That is not Josh's error that is on McBeane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 38 minutes ago, zow2 said: I mean, when it' all said and done. If Josh continues to lead Buffalo to playoff games it's not a stretch to say his all-time playoff stats would be right up there only behind Brady and Mahomes. Just without the hardware. Awesome. Bills Mafia would sign up for that no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, 90sBills said: Awesome. Bills Mafia would sign up for that no doubt. As I have said elsewhere, the rubes in the stands just want to see peppa pig, Tay Tay and cool highlights. Winning is an afterthought. Crabs in a bucket I tell ya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Brady played in 48 playoff games. Holy crap. I mean, yeah it was a 20 year career filled with playoffs and Super Bowls, but when you see the number of playoff games its alarming lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: And, at the end of the day it mattered not as we won the division and got the 2 home games. What mattered at the end of the day was receivers not making plays when they were there and would've impacted the last game. And, many of us said so back in the Spring when DeAndre Hopkins was available to go get him. That is not Josh's error that is on McBeane. It mattered because every game mattered until the playoffs started. For all we know, an extra week of rest helps the entire team show up vs the Chiefs. I agree they should have got DHOP as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 49 minutes ago, FireChans said: It mattered because every game mattered until the playoffs started. For all we know, an extra week of rest helps the entire team show up vs the Chiefs. I agree they should have got DHOP as well. Bills would have never got the #1 seed, however nobody is talking about the 2 extra days the Chiefs had by playing on saturday opposed to the Bills playing on monday and Josh still almost beat Patty! Make no mistake, it was all Josh who almost won that game, McDermott was the one who lost it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: NOT!!!! another narrative debunked. Playoff performance all time That's post-season. In the regular season, he is 100% a turnover machine. As I write every time this comes up, the good outweighs the bad with Josh so it's not an issue. 3 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: He's clearly too conservative and careful with the ball for us to take the next step. I know you are making a joke but that was Tyrod Taylor. The man was utterly AFRAID to throw the ball, and had a league leading turnover rating as a result. Of course, we didn't have any offense either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, FireChans said: He’s actually left the field with more than 3 leads. You just remember the ones we lost. And in those losses, he contributed greatly to them. Before or after we had those late game leads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, LarryMadman said: Holy smokes, Jim Kelly didn't make the list. That era had quite a bit more INTs than the current one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust The Process Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) There’s 6 WR’s under contract next season. Diggs, Shakir, Harty, Shorter, Isabella, and Hamler. I expect us to lose Davis and Sherfield to Free Agency, and Harty to be released to free up cap space, which means we need to replace 3 WR’s on the active roster next season. According to the Bills depth chart on Ourlads website, Shorter is the direct backup to Diggs at LWR which means we’re set there, but we have no starter or backup depth at RWR, which means we need to add 2 new RWR’s. I’ve got Isabella replacing Harty as a backp Slot Receiver to Shakir which means we’re set at SWR. I don’t have Hamler making the 53 man roster, but will make the PS. Having said that, I expect us to draft a RWR and add a budget friendly veteran Free Agent RWR like Kendrick Bourne or Josh Reynolds. in summary, I’ve got our WR core to look something like this next season LWR: Diggs and Shorter SWR: Shakir and Isabella RWR: Bourne or Reynolds and a Rookie Edited January 24 by Trust The Process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, FireChans said: I think we beat KC if we were the one seed and had the bye instead of playing the Steelers. Benford, Diggs, Spector, Martin, Bernard were all hurt in that game. From here on out the #1 goal is not necessarily the SB but getting that 1 seed and bye. Just know the Bills will have some injuries. Even the home field advantage is no where near as important as getting healthy thru week 18 until the divisions. Your odds of making the SB goes up dramatically by getting the 1 seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: NOT!!!! another narrative debunked. Playoff performance all time Can you point to any serious person that said Allen was a turnover machine in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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