TwistofFate Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) I'm not one to follow the Salary cap that much as it's something that never really interested me, but...Sportrac has us at -43 million dollars next year. This is one of the worst cap situations in the NFL, with only the Chargers and Saints being worse off. We are also the oldest roster in the NFL with an average age of 27.65 years old. We currently also are below the league average for players currently under contract, with only 46. (50.5) being the average. Allen, Diggs and Von make up 40.7% of our entire cap space. Add in Dawkins and Tre, that makes up over 54%. It looks like we are in real trouble cap wise next year. Thoughts? Edited January 22 by TwistofFate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Make some painful decisions, eat some dead cap money, draft WR early and turn the page, this iteration of the team couldn’t get it done, now focus on a younger, cheaper one going forward. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) I don’t even know if the wizard can get us out of this one. Even returning the exact same team next year would be a feat of epic proportions. Forget about adding even an above average player in free agency. I see the offseason as 1. Restructure Allen 2. Cut Tre 3. Add new draft class Will that be enough to get us over the hump? I doubt it. Von is a boat anchor of epic proportions to this team. 30 million in cap could do a ton of good if we didn’t have to eat it in a guy who can make one tackle in 6 games. Edited January 23 by PetermansRedemption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Expectations for FA signings should be on par with this season… at best … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I don’t even know if the wizard can get us out of this one. Even returning the exact same team next year would be a fear of epic proportions. Forget about adding even an above average player in free agency. I see the offseason as 1. Restructure Allen 2. Cut Tre 3. Add new draft class Will that be enough to get us over the hump? I doubt it. Von is a boat anchor of epic proportions to this team. 30 million in cap could do a ton of good if we didn’t have to eat it in a guy who can make one tackle in 6 games. Tre made 16 million dollars this year. It looks like cutting him would save 6 million. He's due 16 million with 10 million in dead cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Watch this: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Tre made 16 million dollars this year. It looks like cutting him would save 6 million. He's due 16 million with 10 million in dead cap. we save ten million with only a 6 million dead cap if he is deemed a post june 1st cut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Nah there is plenty of flexibility this year. I actually think we were closer to trouble last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I don’t know enough about the cap to understand if Diggs plus a pick for Lamb at some point could work? Both players relationships with their current team/qb seem strained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 38 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: I'm not one to follow the Salary cap that much as it's something that never really interested me, but...Sportrac has us at -43 million dollars next year. This is one of the worst cap situations in the NFL, with only the Chargers and Saints being worse off. We are also the oldest roster in the NFL with an average age of 27.65 years old. We currently also are below the league average for players currently under contract, with only 46. (50.5) being the average. Allen, Diggs and Von make up 40.7% of our entire cap space. Add in Dawkins and Tre, that makes up over 54%. It looks like we are in real trouble cap wise next year. Thoughts? We likely restructure some of the higher paid guys we want to keep and make some tough cuts and june 1st cuts to clear some cap as well. Tre White, Hines, Harty, Bates, Poyer. Also see some guys like Morse, douglas, and Dawkins who are on their final contract years who could extend / add on to their contracts for lesser dollar figures this year. Plenty of ways to create cap, and sign good players to fill roster holes. "Remember Michael there's always money in the banana stand" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 39 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Watch this: I think anything that happens with Diggs depends on Diggs. But this shows how flexible the cap is. Edited January 22 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Tre is going to have to go. It's sad, but we can't be on the hook for what he's scheduled to cost on the cap for the next two seasons in the condition he's in. Deonte Harty, Connor McGovern, Ryan Bates, Tre'Davious White, Jordan Poyer, and Sam Martin all have outs in their contracts this offseason that can save cap space. A large number of them will be moved on from or take massive cuts in pay to stay. Restructures of Josh, Von, and others will make up for most of the rest to get us under. An extension for Douglas will also save us cap. But with 22 FA's, we're still going to have to go out and sign a lot of bodies - even with having 9 Draft Picks at our disposal. So it's going to have to be another year of smart shopping. Luckily, we have the core of our team under contract. Josh, Cook, Diggs, Shakir, Kincaid, the entire OL, Rousseau, Oliver, Milano, Bernard, Douglas, Benford, and Johnson are all safe. The big moves will be needing to find a #2 to replace Davis, a DE opposite Rousseau (hopefully there's another logjam where we can get Floyd back or a Floyd like player), a DT opposite Oliver (hopefully Daquan will work with us), and at least 1 Safety, if not both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think anything that happens with Diggs depends on Diggs. But this shows how flexible the cap is. Unless Diggs retires, nothing is happening with Diggs. Trading or cutting Diggs is untenable as far as our CAP goes. Next offseason seems to be our first window for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don’t know enough about the cap to understand if Diggs plus a pick for Lamb at some point could work? Both players relationships with their current team/qb seem strained. Currently Diggs active cap hit for 2024 is 27.9mm Below are the possible scenarios for trading/cutting him: PRE-6/1 RELEASE 2024 Dead Cap: $31,096,000 2024 Cap Savings: $-3,242,000 PRE-6/1 TRADE 2024 2024 Dead Cap: $31,096,000 2024 Cap Savings: $-3,242,000 POST-6/1 RELEASE 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,000 2025 Dead Cap: $22,247,000 2024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 POST-6/1 TRADE 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,000 2025 Dead Cap: $22,247,000 2024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 As you can see only the post June 1st options are viable. Even then, that's going to be quite the dead cap hit in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 @DrDawkinstein Did the following work to summarize the Tompsett vid: "As a little preview, the detailed plan to get to $72M... No Brainers - Cap Saved Restructure Josh - $23M Restructure Diggs - $13M Restructure Ed - $3M Release Hines - $5M Release Harty - $4M Total - $48M Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER. Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings Extend Dawkins - $7M Extend Douglas - $6M Extend Johnson - $5M Release Siran Neal - $3M Release Sam Martin - $1M Restructure McGovern - $3M With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER Painful but Possible - Cap Savings Release Poyer - $5.5M Release Tre - $6M Bills now $56M UNDER Prefer Not - Cap Savings Restructure Milano - $2.5M Restructure Knox - $6M Trade Elam - $165k Release Bates - $1.5M Release Morse - $5.5M Bills now $72M UNDER I type all that to once again reiterate, the cap is a myth." 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Currently Diggs active cap hit for 2024 is 27.9mm Below are the possible scenarios for trading/cutting him: PRE-6/1 RELEASE 2024 Dead Cap: $31,096,000 2024 Cap Savings: $-3,242,000 PRE-6/1 TRADE 2024 2024 Dead Cap: $31,096,000 2024 Cap Savings: $-3,242,000 POST-6/1 RELEASE 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,000 2025 Dead Cap: $22,247,000 2024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 POST-6/1 TRADE 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,000 2025 Dead Cap: $22,247,000 2024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 As you can see only the post June 1st options are viable. Even then, that's going to be quite the dead cap hit in 2025. There’s going to be dead cap with Diggs at some point. Last year it cost us cap to move him or release him. This year we save cap. Dead cap is the ultimate no no but to me it’s about can he be replaced. The Diggs we saw the last couple months can be replaced. You also don’t want to wait too long to trade Diggs if it’s possible. I think it truly depends on Diggs. Take the June 1 date. June 1 last year the talk was loud surrounding Diggs. He had zero communication with the Bills and skipped all OTAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nah there is plenty of flexibility this year. I actually think we were closer to trouble last year. and our starting O-line is actually somewhat stable, though we shouldn't be stagnant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said: @DrDawkinstein Did the following work to summarize the Tompsett vid: "As a little preview, the detailed plan to get to $72M... No Brainers - Cap Saved Restructure Josh - $23M Restructure Diggs - $13M Restructure Ed - $3M Release Hines - $5M Release Harty - $4M Total - $48M Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER. Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings Extend Dawkins - $7M Extend Douglas - $6M Extend Johnson - $5M Release Siran Neal - $3M Release Sam Martin - $1M Restructure McGovern - $3M With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER Painful but Possible - Cap Savings Release Poyer - $5.5M Release Tre - $6M Bills now $56M UNDER Prefer Not - Cap Savings Restructure Milano - $2.5M Restructure Knox - $6M Trade Elam - $165k Release Bates - $1.5M Release Morse - $5.5M Bills now $72M UNDER I type all that to once again reiterate, the cap is a myth." Thank you. I don't think his numbers are perfect but the upshot remains. It is relatively easy to get under the cap. We can probably retain some departing FA. But we will not be heavy bidders without consequence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: @DrDawkinstein Did the following work to summarize the Tompsett vid: "As a little preview, the detailed plan to get to $72M... No Brainers - Cap Saved Restructure Josh - $23M Restructure Diggs - $13M Restructure Ed - $3M Release Hines - $5M Release Harty - $4M Total - $48M Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER. Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings Extend Dawkins - $7M Extend Douglas - $6M Extend Johnson - $5M Release Siran Neal - $3M Release Sam Martin - $1M Restructure McGovern - $3M With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER Painful but Possible - Cap Savings Release Poyer - $5.5M Release Tre - $6M Bills now $56M UNDER Prefer Not - Cap Savings Restructure Milano - $2.5M Restructure Knox - $6M Trade Elam - $165k Release Bates - $1.5M Release Morse - $5.5M Bills now $72M UNDER I type all that to once again reiterate, the cap is a myth." Poyer is probably returning and I’m ok with that. I’d add Gilliam to the cut list. I can’t imagine a reason to keep him on the roster for 2.2 million. Cutting him saves 1.9 million. In the video he mentions restructuring Morse. You can just as easily extend him another year. Honestly his play has warranted keeping him beyond next season. I add also advise not playing with the June 1 bull. All that does is add cap hit to 2025 for players you no longer have. I also agree with his 3 extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 This year should be a “rip the Bandaid” one, but I don’t know that McBeane have the job security to do it. They could eat all the bad contracts, suck for a season, and emerge with a high draft pick plus cap space. They won’t, but they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I couldn’t care less about having enough money to sign FAs, let alone big splashes. When has heavy spending during FA ever lead to a Super Bowl win? Maybe as “add ons” to get you over the hump, but if we’re signing Big Names to be our core, we’re in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I’ve seen some shows that give me hope on moves that we made manage the gap and improve the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Maybe replace Morse - BUT I LOVED where our line was going this year. beane did such a great job with McGovern and Torrence pick and pick ups. Thought those guys were great and if they can stick together could be a SOLID unit Edited January 23 by Drew21PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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