Logic Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The thing with Belichick, in my opinion, is that the game has passed him by. It happens to all the greats. Don Shula didn't coach forever, either. I just don't think that a 71 year old man whose demeanor can best be described as "hard assed curmudgeon" and who has had many players come out in recent years saying that they were absolutely miserable playing for the Pats -- I don't think that guy can effectively enough connect with NFL players in 2023 to have the same type of success he used to have in New England. Players were willing to put up with that kind of leadership when it came with consistent Super Bowl contention and Tom Brady at QB. They shut up and did what was told of them because this was the great Bill Belichick, and he carried enough cache that it was worth the headache of playing for such a stern disciplinarian. A few years of non-contention and losing seasons on, though? Establishing a culture from the ground up with a new organization? Color me skeptical. If he gets inserted into the PERFECT situation -- good ownership and front office, quality quarterback, personnel ready to compete within the first year or two -- then maybe he makes some playoff pushes. But what are the odds he finds a situation like that? And even if he does, how long is he sticking around? I'm sorry, but if it's me, I'm not hiring Bill Belichick as my next head coach. Yes, he's an all-time great, and maybe the greatest to ever do it. No, that doesn't mean he's the right man to lead a franchise into the future in the year 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 45 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Then you add Reid's coaching tree: Sean McDermott John Harbaugh (SB winner) Doug Pederson (SB winner) Ron Rivera Todd Bowles Leslie Frazier Steve Spagnolo (SB winning DC who shut down Brady twice in the big game with NJ) I have been thinking about this too. Not only has Reid hung around a long time and been successful, he appears to have trained up his assistants to be well prepared to succeed outside his shadow. Those are some pretty darn tenured HCs. It's in stark contrast to Belicheck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, teef said: ohhhhhh that twitter feed of yours. are you embarrassed at all? like...even a little? I don't have twitter, but I would love to hear some of these gems of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, Logic said: The thing with Belichick, in my opinion, is that the game has passed him by. It happens to all the greats. Don Shula didn't coach forever, either. I just don't think that a 71 year old man whose demeanor can best be described as "hard assed curmudgeon" and who has had many players come out in recent years saying that they were absolutely miserable playing for the Pats -- I don't think that guy can effectively enough connect with NFL players in 2023 to have the same type of success he used to have in New England. Players were willing to put up with that kind of leadership when it came with consistent Super Bowl contention and Tom Brady at QB. They shut up and did what was told of them because this was the great Bill Belichick, and he carried enough cache that it was worth the headache of playing for such a stern disciplinarian. A few years of non-contention and losing seasons on, though? Establishing a culture from the ground up with a new organization? Color me skeptical. If he gets inserted into the PERFECT situation -- good ownership and front office, quality quarterback, personnel ready to compete within the first year or two -- then maybe he makes some playoff pushes. But what are the odds he finds a situation like that? And even if he does, how long is he sticking around? I'm sorry, but if it's me, I'm not hiring Bill Belichick as my next head coach. Yes, he's an all-time great, and maybe the greatest to ever do it. No, that doesn't mean he's the right man to lead a franchise into the future in the year 2024. I want Belicheck gone because of all the grief we caused us so I know I am biased, but people have pointed out the HC work is hard. Never mind the multiple month pressure cooker of the season and then the post season you should be getting into if you're good at your job. Even the offseason is long hours of watching tape and scheming concepts. Even the downtime is a grind. That's a lot for a 71 year old who doesn't need the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: This is my point in a nutshell. Andy Reid had a borderline HOF coaching career BEFORE Mahomes was ever drafted. Being in the top 10 all-time in HC wins had him in the discussion already. The Mahomes arrived and he's coached in 3 more Super Bowls, winning 2, and won a ton more games as well. Reid may even pass him for all time wins when its all said and done. I've said it for awhile now, I think Belichick is a fine coach, but he was a fine coach on his way to being fired for a second time when Bledsoe got hurt and ushered in the Brady era. Once Brady went to Tampa Bay and won another title without Belichick, I think it more than sealed the deal, Brady made Belichick. I am not sure anyone will ever match what the Patriots did during that era, but it was a perfect storm of things coming together. Playing in the AFC East with three other teams who virtually wasted decades of time with bad coaching hires, and roster management helped a great deal. Belichick also plays a part in it, but if we are being honest there are a few coaches who have a better win percentage all time than Belichick without great QBs. John Madden, George Allen, George Halas, and Paul Brown all come to mind. I think its a fairly easy argument to say their legacies in football are a fair bit more revolutionary than Belichick's as well. He may be the best coach lately, but he is not the best coach of all time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Reid may even pass him for all time wins when its all said and done. I've said it for awhile now, I think Belichick is a fine coach, but he was a fine coach on his way to being fired for a second time when Bledsoe got hurt and ushered in the Brady era. Once Brady went to Tampa Bay and won another title without Belichick, I think it more than sealed the deal, Brady made Belichick. I am not sure anyone will ever match what the Patriots did during that era, but it was a perfect storm of things coming together. Playing in the AFC East with three other teams who virtually wasted decades of time with bad coaching hires, and roster management helped a great deal. Belichick also plays a part in it, but if we are being honest there are a few coaches who have a better win percentage all time than Belichick without great QBs. John Madden, George Allen, George Halas, and Paul Brown all come to mind. I think its a fairly easy argument to say their legacies in football are a fair bit more revolutionary than Belichick's as well. He may be the best coach lately, but he is not the best coach of all time. great points about the AFC Least during the Patriots dynasty as well... No good QBs, only decent HC I can even think of for any real competition was Rex Ryan, who had a few good years with NJ. NE basically started every year 6-0 and went from there. There was almost no challenge at all in division. The list of Bills, Jets, and Dolphins QBs during that decade and a half is laughable. The division was such an incredible mismatch. Now we get good and there's another great team (record wise) and a HOF QB in the division as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 We blamed McDermott for this relationship unraveling but Daboll seems like a hot head. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: When Dallas chokes against Green Bay he's out and Jerry will go after Belichick as soon as he's cut loose. No way Belichick goes to work for an ego maniac like Jerry Jones Edited January 8 by Fan in Chicago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: great points about the AFC Least during the Patriots dynasty as well... No good QBs, only decent HC I can even think of for any real competition was Rex Ryan, who had a few good years with NJ. NE basically started every year 6-0 and went from there. There was almost no challenge at all in division. The list of Bills, Jets, and Dolphins QBs during that decade and a half is laughable. The division was such an incredible mismatch. Now we get good and there's another great team (record wise) and a HOF QB in the division as well It is even worse than that. What is the #1 concern for a HC every year, the QB and consistency. Brady's consistency was ridiculous. Every year but 1 Belichek, after about 2005, had zero worries about who was going to be QB, nada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: great points about the AFC Least during the Patriots dynasty as well... No good QBs, only decent HC I can even think of for any real competition was Rex Ryan, who had a few good years with NJ. NE basically started every year 6-0 and went from there. There was almost no challenge at all in division. The list of Bills, Jets, and Dolphins QBs during that decade and a half is laughable. The division was such an incredible mismatch. Now we get good and there's another great team (record wise) and a HOF QB in the division as well For sure. Playing in the AFC East was a huge advantage for them. They never won a Super Bowl in a year they didnt have a first round bye in the playoffs. Having to win 2 games to get to the Super Bowl rather than 3 is big for any team, and it played a huge part in them being a dynasty. Helped that their dynasty was during the time the NFL had both the 1 and 2 seed have 1st round byes. Another reason I am not sure we will ever see another dynasty. It is a drag the Jets and Dolphins both have hope in their corner now. The good news is I dont see Rogers playing as long as Brady. Miami will have to figure out a way to pay everyone, and from the looks of it the team runs through Tyreek more than it runs through Tua. Can only hope they pay Tua. 3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: It is even worse than that. What is the #1 concern for a HC every year, the QB and consistency. Brady's consistency was ridiculous. Every year but 1 Belichek, after about 2005, had zero worries about who was going to be QB, nada. Brady was incredible to watch. Just an absolute surgeon. His arm seemed to get stronger as the years went on as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We blamed McDermott for this relationship unraveling but Daboll seems like a hot head. Its too bad the Daboll and McDermott relationship seems to be irrecoverable because I think he will be available next offseason. Edited January 8 by thenorthremembers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 4 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Maybe some new blood from the college ranks might be the infusion needed…? Kliff 'Claven' Kingsbury and Urban 'Dirty Old Man' Meyer immediately come to mind. 😳 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 14 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: No way Belichick goes to work for an ego maniac like Jerry Jones Could imagine the Jerry Jones press conferences blurting out things every week and Belichek stewing over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 17 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: No way Belichick goes to work for an ego maniac like Jerry Jones Jerry Jones wants his hands in it. Robert Kraft just wants a hand. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Get BB McDaniels as an oc, replace him as gm, draft a qb, see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 35 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We blamed McDermott for this relationship unraveling but Daboll seems like a hot head. Daboll is a blowhard. I think he’s a good football guy to have in the building, but as he moves up the ladder and has more control the worse that personality becomes for an organization. He’s likely best as some sort of OC, positional coach, or passing game coordinator kind of role. A position where he can be him and all the positives that come with it, but there’s some guard rails that prevent him from being the pulse and keep him in his lane. It’s certainly not a get out of jail free card for McD. Just my $0.02 on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We blamed McDermott for this relationship unraveling but Daboll seems like a hot head. It was very well known that Daboll was a hot head before he got here, while he was here and after he left. Derek Anderson told stories about it, Josh talks about it. He grew by the time he got to Buffalo and while he was here, but I got the sense he wasn’t very well received in his previous stops as OC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 20 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: I think Chargers should fire Staley again. Just to make sure... Analytics indicate that firing Staley twice is necessary in order to guarantee a proper sacking. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 31 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: For sure. Playing in the AFC East was a huge advantage for them. They never won a Super Bowl in a year they didnt have a first round bye in the playoffs. Having to win 2 games to get to the Super Bowl rather than 3 is big for any team, and it played a huge part in them being a dynasty. Helped that their dynasty was during the time the NFL had both the 1 and 2 seed have 1st round byes. Another reason I am not sure we will ever see another dynasty. It is a drag the Jets and Dolphins both have hope in their corner now. The good news is I dont see Rogers playing as long as Brady. Miami will have to figure out a way to pay everyone, and from the looks of it the team runs through Tyreek more than it runs through Tua. Can only hope they pay Tua. Brady was incredible to watch. Just an absolute surgeon. His arm seemed to get stronger as the years went on as well. It’s been some time, so I don’t have the data in front of me but this isn’t true. Brady and Bill had a higher win percentage vs the rest of the NFL than they did the AFCE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I don't want to look too far ahead but the Bills have a OC and DC position open. Wonder who will fill both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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