Pete Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 14 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said: That's not it. At least that would be stupid if so. The Bills already reported his back injury a while back, why would they hide it now? Also, even if Stef was nursing a back, do you think Stef would play part of the games but not crucial third downs? You think they would design screens to him so he automatically gets hit? That doesn't make sense. Something is going on. The Bills reported Josh’s shoulder injury after the Giants game. It’s been bothering Josh ever since, yet it’s not on every injury report. Back issues tend to linger, especially if they don’t get adequate time to heal 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I'd be shocked if he isn't nursing an injury and the Bills have been trying to create the illusion he's 100% to create bracketed coverage to free other options up. Is there any yards of separation by week chart out on the webisphere? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Maybe he's just not good enough anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 11 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Maybe he's just not good enough anymore. we will mark Tuesday October 15th as the day he instantly aged from a top nfl WR to sherfields backup 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, Utah John said: Those stats are for the whole year. Since the Philly game he's been off the field a LOT. That's what we're talking about. It's the change from how things were through most of the season that has us wondering what's going on. What ARE we talking about here? Look at the title and OP of this thread. No doubt his numbers have fallen off for the past month of so. What does that have to do with "3rd downs" and coaches supposedly scheming him out of the gameplan? Since the Philly game, where he was body slammed onto his back for the 2nd week in a row, his numbers have been down. Not just on 3rd downs. What mysterious, unknown, never-before-seen reason could be behind such a thing? A lingering back/rib issue. Easy as that. Edited January 6 by DrDawkinstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 38 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: What ARE we talking about here? Look at the title and OP of this thread. No doubt his numbers have fallen off for the past month of so. What does that have to do with "3rd downs" and coaches supposedly scheming him out of the gameplan? Since the Philly game, where he was body slammed onto his back for the 2nd week in a row, his numbers have been down. Not just on 3rd downs. What mysterious, unknown, never-before-seen reason could be behind such a thing? A lingering back/rib issue. Easy as that. “Easy as that”? Don’t confuse your guesses with facts. Nobody knows what, if anything, is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, whorlnut said: “Easy as that”? Don’t confuse your guesses with facts. Nobody knows what, if anything, is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Look at run vs pass plays when diggs is on the field vs off the field Diggs is rarely on the field on run plays I'm hoping the offense is back to trying to create unpredictability for the first time since daboll but in order to do so (especially so late in the season) you have to become very predictable first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 he's emotionally fatigued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 16 hours ago, PBF81 said: If he's injured but not on the injury report, then it'll be problems for us. The league friends upon that. No, it won’t be. You only have to report injuries if they miss game time or can’t practice full 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, RunTheBall said: No, it won’t be. You only have to report injuries if they miss game time or can’t practice full If he’s truly dealing with an injury enough to the point where he’s barely out-snapping rotational WR’s, why is he practicing in full? If we’re limiting snaps, it seems it would be wise for him to take it easy at practice. Maybe it’s not something that can heal with rest like that, but if it is an injury, it’s clearly affecting his ability to play a normal snap percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 48 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Nice retort 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: If he’s truly dealing with an injury enough to the point where he’s barely out-snapping rotational WR’s, why is he practicing in full? If we’re limiting snaps, it seems it would be wise for him to take it easy at practice. Maybe it’s not something that can heal with rest like that, but if it is an injury, it’s clearly affecting his ability to play a normal snap percentage. Why? Because most fans don’t want to consider that there might be something going on that isn’t injury related. Diggs has had to be talked off the ledge the last couple seasons after the season ended, and we never saw his usage and productivity dip like this before. You think he will not be a distraction this off-season? I just don’t see it. We might have to revamp our entire receiver corp. yeah, there is a lot of dead money, but I think how things shake out once the season ends will be something to keep an eye on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 It’s multi-factorial but I’ll preface this with my opinion that Diggs is the ultimate competitor, a consummate professional who’s not afraid to display his emotions on a sleeve. That being said, if Diggs wasn’t dinged up, there is ZERO possibility that he’s taking himself out of the game as much as he has. There’s no chance we wouldn’t see the displays of frustration we’ve seen for years when he feels he’s good to go and isn’t getting utilized. I think Diggs knows he isn’t 100%, takes himself off when he feels another player would be better on the following play, and understands his production is down because he hasn’t been able to get the same separation he usually gets. Obviously Brady has schemed more into the running attack. Diggs is a willing blocker but if he’s dinged they aren’t going to use him for that which is why his snap counts have decreased as well. Also since the Giants game, Josh’s shoulder has been an issue. When’s the last time you saw him step into a throw and laser it over the middle on an intermediate crosser? (Seriously I can’t remember so if I’m wrong let me know). That’s Diggs’ bread and butter. Our passing game has been outside the numbers and Josh’s deep throws have been mostly inaccurate. The deep throws he does make tend to be arcing throws rather than laser beams. There are numerous examples where Diggs is open on the crosser and Josh takes the dump off. I’ve gotta believe it’s because Josh doesn’t trust his velocity right now. Despite all that, Diggs is still getting the same number of targets per game although much less further down the field. This Miami game is going to tell us a lot. I hope it’s not just the optimist in me but I thought Diggs was moving a little better in the Pats* game. I’m concerned Josh’s shoulder is going to be the limiting factor but I expect a BIG game from Diggs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: If he’s truly dealing with an injury enough to the point where he’s barely out-snapping rotational WR’s, why is he practicing in full? If we’re limiting snaps, it seems it would be wise for him to take it easy at practice. Maybe it’s not something that can heal with rest like that, but if it is an injury, it’s clearly affecting his ability to play a normal snap percentage. I agree with you, but I was responding to a poster who said we’d get in trouble with the league which is not accurate. McBeane are experts at revealing the least amount of information they need to about pretty much every aspect of the team, injuries especially. They want teams to scheme against Diggs likes he’s 100% which opens things up for other players. I’m sure most DCs can see what’s going on with Diggs and will scheme accordingly but McD isn’t going to give them any extra help/info if he can avoid it. Obviously I’m just speculating like everyone else. We’ve got a lot of history with Diggs though, so unless we think he all-of-a-sudden checked out, isn’t giving his all, or slammed into the Father Time wall in the Jax game, I think the combo of him being dinged up/Josh’s shoulder/Brady run game emphasis explains a lot of what we are seeing. I don’t think this is a behind-the-scenes Diggs vs Buffalo drama that is playing out. I think its the war of attrition that is the game of football along with a new OC emphasizing the run. I think Brady knows he needs Diggs to be more involved to make it to the playoffs and make a run when we are there. I expect to see it start Sunday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: I agree with you, but I was responding to a poster who said we’d get in trouble with the league which is not accurate. McBeane are experts at revealing the least amount of information they need to about pretty much every aspect of the team, injuries especially. They want teams to scheme against Diggs likes he’s 100% which opens things up for other players. I’m sure most DCs can see what’s going on with Diggs and will scheme accordingly but McD isn’t going to give them any extra help/info if he can avoid it. Obviously I’m just speculating like everyone else. We’ve got a lot of history with Diggs though, so unless we think he all-of-a-sudden checked out, isn’t giving his all, or slammed into the Father Time wall in the Jax game, I think the combo of him being dinged up/Josh’s shoulder/Brady run game emphasis explains a lot of what we are seeing. I don’t think this is a behind-the-scenes Diggs vs Buffalo drama that is playing out. I think its the war of attrition that is the game of football along with a new OC emphasizing the run. I think Brady knows he needs Diggs to be more involved to make it to the playoffs and make a run when we are there. I expect to see it start Sunday But yet - if he’s truly nursing something, calling an inside running play for him in a goal-to-go situation last week was … bizarre. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Because when the play is not designed to go to him, he doesn’t put his mouthpiece in…so defense knows what’s coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Diggs is clearly dinged in some unreportable manner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 @RunTheBall typing up a storm and making some good points. That’s it. That’s the post. 👍🏻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dollars 2 donuts Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, Rubes said: Rubes I came in here a few minutes ago because I saw this on X. Wondering if anyone has any further information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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