Punching Bag Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Special teams are weak both kicking and returns. Bills need to hire an assistant to special teams with knowledge of kicking who help our kickers get their groove back. An ex-kicker would probably be best. No need to fire anyone but they want to an extra kicker and put on practice squad that is fine also. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Fire the returner. Because HarDLY sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 The punter sucks. The ST coverage is fine. Harty had one of his better games against the Cowpies. Anything else to complain about after a great win? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Who was the player who decided to run back the Kickoff and stopped at the 11 yard line ? That was a terrible decision even though at that point it was not going to impact the game. You have to play a full 60 minute game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, ganesh said: Who was the player who decided to run back the Kickoff and stopped at the 11 yard line ? That was a terrible decision even though at that point it was not going to impact the game. You have to play a full 60 minute game This is consistent in the NFL, especially now with the fair catch rule on kickoffs. You are likely better calling for a fair catch every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Martin and the punt protection team are really struggling. Dallas really should have blocked the punt on which they were called for roughing the punter, and they had come close to a block on the previous Bills punt as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, ganesh said: Who was the player who decided to run back the Kickoff and stopped at the 11 yard line ? That was a terrible decision even though at that point it was not going to impact the game. You have to play a full 60 minute game They had their onsides kick unit on and Harty just went down to avoid a fumble at the end of the game so they could run out the clock. I'm guessing that's what he was instructed to do. They obviously rely on him the most as a returner as he only has one muff this year I believe on 40 or so punt return opportunities. 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Martin and the punt protection team are really struggling. Dallas really should have blocked the punt on which they were called for roughing the punter, and they had come close to a block on the previous Bills punt as well. Brilliant play as the blocking ineptitude allowed the savvy veteran in Martin to get that punt off and draw the personal foul. Led to a Touchdown. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Special teams are weak both kicking and returns. Bills need to hire an assistant to special teams with knowledge of kicking who help our kickers get their groove back. An ex-kicker would probably be best. No need to fire anyone but they want to an extra kicker and put on practice squad that is fine also. Or just get a better coordinator. Kick and punt coverage are bad too. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 54 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Or just get a better coordinator. Kick and punt coverage are bad too. That was Coach McD method when he because head coach. He basically let go all of staff (helped cut down on leaks), scouts and coaches. Changing Special Teams coach with four games left makes no sense but bringing a consultant makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Martin and the punt protection team are really struggling. Dallas really should have blocked the punt on which they were called for roughing the punter, and they had come close to a block on the previous Bills punt as well. On the play that ended up roughing, it looked like the up man (I think it was Hamlin) started going upfield to cover the return immediately instead of staying in to block. This could have been by design (which is my guess) or could have simply been a case of a guy that hasn't played a lot this year being overanxious to get upfield and make a play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 We need a new punter before the post season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: The punter sucks. The ST coverage is fine. Harty had one of his better games against the Cowpies. Anything else to complain about after a great win? Harty has not been spectacular but he had a good game yesterday with no fumbles and 1 good return. The biggest need is a better punter and punt blocking at the line. 2 close calls yesterday that could've changed the game completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I wonder if they're checking on him more and more? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Martin and the punt protection team are really struggling. Dallas really should have blocked the punt on which they were called for roughing the punter, and they had come close to a block on the previous Bills punt as well. Yeah Hamlin i think it was bailed as soon as the ball was snapped, the Dallas guy beat the long snapper and it had a clear shot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I wonder if they're checking on him more and more? Sign him to the PS. Won’t get as much attention as straight to the roster. Probably wouldn’t sign him to the roster until next season u less something goes wrong with Martin injury wise or gets worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I wonder if they're checking on him more and more? Wouldn't be surprised to see him as our punter next year. Ironically while it sucks for him he had to go thru this and fight to get back in, it may benefit him financially as now he is a free agent and not subject to the rookie wage scale limitations of a late round pick. Edited December 18, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I've been saying for weeks if we miss the playoffs we can talk offense/defense/Dorsey/Brady/McDermott til we're blue in the face but it will be because of the 2 losses lost by kicking teams. 12 men on the field and the punt return for a TD in OT in the Jets game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 7 hours ago, JohnNord said: This is consistent in the NFL, especially now with the fair catch rule on kickoffs. You are likely better calling for a fair catch every time. No. The prblem is this guy caught the ball at 5 and then gave up at 11... He could have done a fair catch at 11 and the ball would have been at 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Limeaid said: Special teams are weak both kicking and returns. Bills need to hire an assistant to special teams with knowledge of kicking who help our kickers get their groove back. An ex-kicker would probably be best. No need to fire anyone but they want to an extra kicker and put on practice squad that is fine also. I'm not normally a "fire him" type of guy, but I have to say: we need a new special teams coach. 12 men on the field, and KO coverage lapses come to mind. And the Bills sorely need a speedy return man. They got nothing. When Hines is recuperated, will he have his speed back? I don't know. And Matt Araiza would be a nice upgrade to Sam Martin. Almost anything will be an upgrade to Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 18, 2023 Author Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, boater said: I'm not normally a "fire him" type of guy, but I have to say: we need a new special teams coach. 12 men on the field, and KO coverage lapses come to mind. And the Bills sorely need a speedy return man. They got nothing. When Hines is recuperated, will he have his speed back? I don't know. And Matt Araiza would be a nice upgrade to Sam Martin. Almost anything will be an upgrade to Martin. Hardy IMO was a GM mistake unless he is being misused. He is being paid a great amount for what he is doing . Matt Araiza can be put on PS and elevated for 3 games. He has not played for a long time, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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