gobills404 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Did he also foresee that he wouldn’t make any big plays late in all these close losses? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 just need a new hc and the offense to run the ball and not ask the qb to play perfect Too much pressure on #17 and poor coaching is starting to affect the players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I guess I meant from the perspective of the Bills. We’ve already converted salary to bonus, and we’ve already accrued dead cap. There is no way to reduce that dead cap AFAIK. He could make changes to his contract to make it more desirable for acquiring teams I guess, but he’s already pretty desirable. Diggs cap hits the next couple years make him unaffordable to many teams. 2024 - 27M 2025 -27M 2026 - 28M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 54 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Yup, Diggs knew. We're in a lot of trouble here. Wondering if even Josh asks out. Josh better ask for a competent OFFENSIVE HC who's willing to invest in the offense. McDermott makes me sick to my stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Allen peaked with Daboll. Brian could manage Josh's quirks. There's absolutely no mentor or calming influence. Dorsey is a child and McDermott has no clue what to do with Allen. It was always Daboll. Josh needs an offensive HC to salvage his 2nd half of his career. Johnson, Harbaugh, Daboll, Bienemy.....somebody, anybody but McDumbass. I was with you until you mentioned Bieniemy. That guy's a cancer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Diggs is as much to blame as anyone for his QB having to focus on and answer for his drama queen antics. Now his brother is stirring the pot for him. Trade him to Carolina for a future 1st round pick. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 29 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I’m beginning to think trading him for 2 firsts and others and getting a QB and WR in the top 10 may not be a bad idea. I do wonder what sorts of assets Allen would fetch in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Did he also foresee that he wouldn’t make any big plays late in all these close losses? The only play I'll fault him for in this game was on the fumble where Josh dropped the ball instead of putting it in Cook's gut. The fumble spilled out toward the right sideline, where Diggs had the best shot at it. He dove so that he could have grabbed the ball with his right hand. But the Broncos defender went for the ball like he really really wanted it, and Diggs lost out. He also had one target where the pass was pretty bad and still Diggs made a great effort to catch it, but couldn't make up for the poor throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 I’m super happy with just going back to my roots, and just hoping that we make the playoffs somehow someway, it’s ok, it’s been a lackluster year. It really shouldn’t happen with the amount of money these guys get paid but it does. That’s ok. Life goes on. See you next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Yup, Diggs knew. We're in a lot of trouble here. Wondering if even Josh asks out. Josh at this point seems like part of the problem. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 What did Diggs have to say after the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, ngbills said: Josh at this point seems like part of the problem. Who isn't at this point? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: This was my thought as the wheels come off this year. McDermott has clearly lost the locker room. I have no idea how you destroy a great QB like that as well. Allen isn't destroyed YET. He has flashed way more good then bad this season. In the hands of a competent coaching staff that is offensive minded and constructs a roster to exploit what Allen brings to the table he will shine. But Pegula better realize that the clock is ticking. Another year of McD and Allen could be lost either by serious regression in his skills or he realizes that he will never win it all with the Bills and starts agitating to get out of Dodge. Either way the Bills elite franchise QB will be "gone" right at the moment the Bills are opening that brand new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said: His behavior after the playoff game and the training camp walkout was the canary in the coalmine, so to speak. He knew nothing would change and that "the process" had run it's course. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Diggs saw what coming? A 5-5 start with zero blow out losses? He and most everyone else didn’t think they’d be blowing wins the way they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, I am the egg man said: He and most everyone else didn’t think they’d be blowing wins the way they are. But the comment contradicts title of OP. Either Diggs saw this coming or didn’t. Which is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 This all stems from 13 seconds The bills should have cleaned house then, it would have taken giant balls to do so but in hind sight that's when it 100% should have happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: But the comment contradicts title of OP. Either Diggs saw this coming or didn’t. Which is it? Ok, no one could have saw this coming. Happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said: His behavior after the playoff game and the training camp walkout was the canary in the coalmine, so to speak. He knew nothing would change and that "the process" had run it's course. He may well have but most of these losses have been on turn overs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said: His behavior after the playoff game and the training camp walkout was the canary in the coalmine, so to speak. He knew nothing would change and that "the process" had run it's course. Really makes you wonder. All the off-season talk from the media(which I hate) about this team expected take a step back has come to fruition. 24 minutes ago, 0017 said: I’m super happy with just going back to my roots, and just hoping that we make the playoffs somehow someway, it’s ok, it’s been a lackluster year. It really shouldn’t happen with the amount of money these guys get paid but it does. That’s ok. Life goes on. See you next week We’ve become spoiled the last few years but a team with Josh Allen at QB shouldn’t miss the playoffs. There’s definitely a fundamental problem with the offense mainly Allen and Dorsey. Edited November 14, 2023 by CaptnCoke11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I’ve been saying this all year, Diggs knew the coaches wouldn’t hold anyone (especially Allen) accountable for their work and he was pissed. Just goes to show, he was right. I’ve been saying this all year, Diggs knew the coaches wouldn’t hold anyone (especially Allen) accountable for their work and he was pissed. Just goes to show, he was right. I’ve been saying this all year, Diggs knew the coaches wouldn’t hold anyone (especially Allen) accountable for their work and he was pissed. Just goes to show, he was right. I’ve been saying this all year, Diggs knew the coaches wouldn’t hold anyone (especially Allen) accountable for their work and he was pissed. Just goes to show, he was right. Diggs is hardly blameless tonight - he dropped a simple catch himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: This was my thought as the wheels come off this year. McDermott has clearly lost the locker room. I have no idea how you destroy a great QB like that as well. The Sabres have a potential Norris Trophy winning D-man who was the #1 overall draft pick, and he turned to COMPLETE GARBAGE under the "tutelage" of Ralph Krueger. Krueger gets fired, a real coach comes in, and Dahlin's game is back to looking fantastic. It's amazing what bad coaching can do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Would Diggs redo his deal so that he becomes tradeable? honestly the entire staff needs to be overturned. cut all special teamers except bass and ferguson release Hyde, Poyer, Tre miller and Knox need to be showcased and tried to be moved in 2024. get a comp pic for Davis. a busy offseason just to hit the reset button. You forgot to mention the Punt God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) I hate that there’s talk of locker room issues. Sometimes it’s bad to keep players around too long. Fighting starts and sides are taken. It’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out in the offseason. Bills are going 7-10. Edited November 14, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Would Diggs redo his deal so that he becomes tradeable? honestly the entire staff needs to be overturned. cut all special teamers except bass and ferguson release Hyde, Poyer, Tre miller and Knox need to be showcased and tried to be moved in 2024. get a comp pic for Davis. a busy offseason just to hit the reset button. Miller and Knox are both utterly untradeable due to their contracts! It's precisely why those deals were so bad. Most fans haven't gotten this far in their thinking yet, but I totally agree with you that this team is due for some major personnel changes going into next season and beyond. Basically, the team that Beane and McDermott built to win a SB has now failed to do that, and this group is NOT going to do that. Things need to be reinvented around here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, UKBillFan said: Diggs is hardly blameless tonight - he dropped a simple catch himself. That’s a rarity so it’s really hard to put any blame on him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Miller and Knox are both utterly untradeable due to their contracts! It's precisely why those deals were so bad. Most fans haven't gotten this far in their thinking yet, but I totally agree with you that this team is due for some major personnel changes going into next season and beyond. Basically, the team that Beane and McDermott built to win a SB has now failed to do that, and this group is NOT going to do that. Things need to be reinvented around here. This is spot on. Next season is going to be a reset, and the goal will be fighting and clawing for a wild card spot. The roster is going to be rough, and we will not be the more talented team most weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) Josh Allen won us the game at the end...D and refs and special teams and coaching pissed it away again. Edited November 14, 2023 by Sherlock Holmes 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) He was never the bad guy. If he wants out after a lost season it really shouldn’t be viewed as crazy. He wasn’t the bad guy in Minnesota when he was playing second fiddle to Adam Theilen with QB purgatory king Cousins at the helm and wanted out then either. These guys don’t have to wither away on bad teams like Eric Moulds. He’s going to have 10k yards before 30, he shouldn’t be expected to waste his few remaining peak years on a losing organization. He’s putting up a a special career statistically. A ring or two puts him into rare air. Zero puts him with Derrick Mason. Edited November 14, 2023 by Nelius 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Josh Allen won us the game at the end...D and refs and special teams and coaching pissed it away again. Cook did most of it. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, DapperCam said: This is spot on. Next season is going to be a reset, and the goal will be fighting and clawing for a wild card spot. The roster is going to be rough, and we will not be the more talented team most weeks. We failed this year, with likely a better roster than next year. Tome to cut bait and let a new regime reconstruct in 2024 and shoot for 2025. That's best case scenario, under this regime next year we will be trying not to be lastvin the division, a place we are very closely flirting with now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Baba Booey said: Guys hate to say this but Allen isn’t the QB we thought he was. Still making dumb mother fing decisions!!! Should have had another int in the first quarter!! Dude is not good!! Stop! There at least 25 other HC's and GM's that would kill to have JA17 over their current QB situation. There are so many other factors that have contributed to this mess of a season, not just Josh having a down year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Stop! There at least 25 other HC's and GM's that would kill to have JA17 over their current QB situation. There are so many other factors that have contributed to this mess of a season, not just Josh having a down year. Well we need to choose from the best of that group and replace our current ones. The sooner the better, as in after the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Diggs has been truly awesome for us. Like a talented big brother. He has CARED more about what happens to the team than anyone. And so yeah, he’s been right all along. All the way back to the AFC championship game in his first season here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Baba Booey said: Guys hate to say this but Allen isn’t the QB we thought he was. Still making dumb mother fing decisions!!! Should have had another int in the first quarter!! Dude is not good!! JA is good but he’s definitely not on the level of Mahomes or Burrow. I’d throw Jalen Hurts in there as well. He’s just not consistent enough and turns the ball over way too much. It’s sucks because when he on his A game he looks like one of the top guys in the league. But he has too many games that look like tonight. You never want to go into a game asking yourself whether good Josh or bad Josh is going to show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Stefon Diggs was correct all along. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said: JA is good but he’s definitely not on the level of Mahomes or Burrow. I’d throw Jalen Hurts in there as well. He’s just not consistent enough and turns the ball over way too much. It’s sucks because when he on his A game he looks like one of the top guys in the league. But he has too many games that look like tonight. You never want to go into a game asking yourself whether good Josh or bad Josh is going to show up. JA is the only one who has a defensive minded coach who’s pissing away all the draft and FA resources on the D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 New flash, Diggs days are numbered here in Buff. Need to look for replacements now. He is due a fall off in abilities anyways 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 hours ago, UKBillFan said: Diggs is hardly blameless tonight - he dropped a simple catch himself. That was a bad drop 2 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said: JA is good but he’s definitely not on the level of Mahomes or Burrow. I’d throw Jalen Hurts in there as well. He’s just not consistent enough and turns the ball over way too much. It’s sucks because when he on his A game he looks like one of the top guys in the league. But he has too many games that look like tonight. You never want to go into a game asking yourself whether good Josh or bad Josh is going to show up. Unfortunately, this is the truth. When he’s on, he’s arguably the best in the game, but his floor is way too low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: That’s a rarity so it’s really hard to put any blame on him Feels like he's dropped a catch every game this season. That's compared to Cook, who fumbled for the first time in 27 and was promptly benched for almost an entire quarter. When the QB is struggling, WR1 is a key component to help. The dropped catch didn't do that, and led to a bad play afterwards. He isn't the major issue, but all if the drops and fumbles on offence add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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