Coordinator Options for 2024

[boco357]

I read somewhere Babich was a possible choice on staff for DC

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

McD did better than Frazier would’ve done as DC, as those losses were significant and the defense kept us somewhat in games.  They’ve just been on the field way too long that any defense would get worn out.

 

As far as OC, I mentioned to Joe on the extra point show yesterday, I wouldn’t wait for the end of the year.  I 

d place Brady as interim and we can decide whether he remains into next year.  In Carolina, he resisted the push to run more and kept them in games through the pass.  Isn’t that what we e wanted.  Either Brady turns this anemic offense around and keeps his job, or we have the off season to find the best OC we can afford, and Terry needs to open up the wallet.

We didn’t have White, Von, Hyde for most of the season last year and Poyer missed a bunch of games. Hilarious that fans are too prideful to admit that maybe Frazier wasn’t the problem. So stupid. 

[Warriorspikes51]

15 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Sleeper OC:

 

Wes Welker seems glued to McD’s hip on the sideline.   

 

Huh??? Since when is Wes Welker on this staff???

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Huh??? Since when is Wes Welker on this staff???

Other McD in Miami.

[Behindenemylines]

16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Let's assume, regardless of anyone's wishes, McD is safe for one more year.

 

IMO, the best thing he could do for himself as Head Coach is show Terry and Bills Mafia that he really is the CEO of a winning team; and fire Dorsey, fire himself, and hire a new OC and new DC.

 

But who is that?

 

Offense:

On staff we have the likes of Joe Brady and Mike Shula

Any other upcoming guys hiding as QB coaches out there?

Anyone left on the 9ers staff worth looking at?

Anyone good enough to be able to take over in 2025 if McD keeps McD-ing?

 

Defense:

On staff... Eric Washington?

Brandon Staley maybe?

Would Ron Rivera do it as a bridge year? Or into retirement?

Any sleepers buried on staffs I'm not thinking about? Former players...

 

Assuming McD stays, who is your ultimate staff next year?

I want nothing to do with Ron Rivera. He is a dud and why would we want a bridge guy?   

[DrDawkinstein]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is what I come back to every time I consider the idea of firing Dorsey. Even in a best case scenario that is just a band-aid. If we bring in an OC who schemes up an elite offense, he'll be a head coach somewhere else a year or two later. And we won't get the best possible OC to begin with because that OC will be already be a head coach somewhere.

 

So the only real solution to getting a great offensive coach for the long term is to replace McDermott with one.

 

 

My idea would be if the new OC is really that much of a hot shot, that after next year, we can McD and promote the OC. Only way to fix the cycle we got ourselves into by hiring a defensive HC.

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Frazier sucks 

 

Frazier designed the defense which neutralized Ravens offense in playoffs which other teams copied. 

He may not be aggressive enough but that does not translate as sucks.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

12 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Frazier designed the defense which neutralized Ravens offense in playoffs which other teams copied. 

He may not be aggressive enough but that does not translate as sucks.

Frazier had his strengths for sure, but IMO the last 2 minutes of a ballgame were not one of them. 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We didn’t have White, Von, Hyde for most of the season last year and Poyer missed a bunch of games. Hilarious that fans are too prideful to admit that maybe Frazier wasn’t the problem. So stupid. 

I don't think Frazier was a "problem" but I'm not sure he was the solution. Same way I feel about McD as HC

[bmur66]

I don’t see how a HC who also become DC takes a step back from that. He put himself in a bad position.

[Bookie Man]

I really wish we'd been able to keep Schwartz all these years. 

[BillsFan2313]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Frazier sucks 

 

100%

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

Not sure if it's been tossed out there yet, but if Frank Reich is one and done in Carolina would anybody be interested in replacing Dorsey with him?

 

Forget about his obvious Buffalo connection altogether, but seems like it would be a logical fit given his previous OC experience and success.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not sure if it's been tossed out there yet, but if Frank Reich is one and done in Carolina would anybody be interested in replacing Dorsey with him?

 

Forget about his obvious Buffalo connection altogether, but seems like it would be a logical fit given his previous OC experience and success.

 

Mentioned it on the previous page from last night's game.

 

IMO, Reich is too much like McD in his conservative, older school nature. Also, 2 horribly failed HC stints from 1 OC job where he wasnt even calling plays (that was Pederson)

 

We need young, brash and confident/almost arrogant at OC.

[Ramza86]

Im not playing this game. 

No hot offensive coordinator would take our offensive coodirnater position as they would be taking an HC job.

 

So that means we would have another subpar offensive mind operating this team. 

 

Which means another season down the ***** drain.

[Yobogoya!]

2 hours ago, Alpo Chino said:

I really wish we'd been able to keep Schwartz all these years. 

 

Not that I think he would've worked out here as a head coach, but there's an irony in that we hired two DC's to be HC's after him and yet his defensive scheme while here arguably outclasses both of them. 

 

Although it's hard not to give McD an asterisk for the year with the injuries they've suffered. First few weeks in, while healthy, his Defense really did look the part. 

[LEBills]

19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Let's assume, regardless of anyone's wishes, McD is safe for one more year.

 

IMO, the best thing he could do for himself as Head Coach is show Terry and Bills Mafia that he really is the CEO of a winning team; and fire Dorsey, fire himself, and hire a new OC and new DC.

 

But who is that?

 

Offense:

On staff we have the likes of Joe Brady and Mike Shula

Any other upcoming guys hiding as QB coaches out there?

Anyone left on the 9ers staff worth looking at?

Anyone good enough to be able to take over in 2025 if McD keeps McD-ing?

 

Defense:

On staff... Eric Washington?

Brandon Staley maybe?

Would Ron Rivera do it as a bridge year? Or into retirement?

Any sleepers buried on staffs I'm not thinking about? Former players...

 

Assuming McD stays, who is your ultimate staff next year?

 

Predicting coordinators is hard but I’ll give it a shot

 

Potential hires for OC:

Kevin Patullo - Eagles passing game coordinator since 2021. Had a stint from 2010-12 with the Bills. 

 

Byron Leftwich - obviously won a Super Bowl with Brady and the Bucs. It was a surprise when Bowles got the HC position over him. 

DC

I think Bobby Babich is probably the most likely person to fill that spot. His position groups have been very good while he was here. 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

20 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

So, this assumes that we're keeping McDermott:

 

 

If everyone gets canned in NY, I like Mike Kafka. He's young and worked with Andy Reid for years.  

 

 

I can't see a housecleaning in NY unless ownership blames Schoen & Daboll for the bad Daniel Jones contract.  

Right now, the Giants #1 mission is to lose as many games as possible so they can draft a QB to rectify the Jones mistake.  I believe that the owners will give Schoen & Daboll that opportunity.  Management will not hold their 2023 record against Schoen and Daboll.

[Alphadawg7]

19 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He should fire himself as DC right now IMO. But I think the replacement would be in house in any event.

 

My ideal combo:

 

DC - Leslie Frazier (won't happen he isn't comkng back here but we are talking about our ideal choices);

OC - Kellen Moore (in a world where everyone gets canned with the Chargers)

 

I know @GunnerBill you have been a long time defender and supporter of Frazier, but I honestly just don't get it.  If the Miami Dolphins were a DC, they would be Leslie Frazier because like the Dolphins, Fraziers defenses would rank well statistically against mediocre to weak competition, but come playoff time against quality competition they were soft, weak, and exposed.  

 

Teams in the playoffs would light up the Bills D and then go literally lose the very next week and have their offenses held in check by lesser defenses.

 

This year, before three season ending injuries to arguably our 3 most important players on Defense, the McD led defense was 1st in sacks, 1st in interceptions, 1st in turnovers, 1st in point differential and giving up just 13 points per game, and that includes playing the Miami offense.  And even with those injuries, while the defense has fallen off statistically, they have kept us in games well enough for us to have won all of them had our offense not been so flat the last 5 weeks avg just 19 PPG during that stretch despite no significant injuries.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I know @GunnerBill you have been a long time defender and supporter of Frazier, but I honestly just don't get it.  If the Miami Dolphins were a DC, they would be Leslie Frazier because like the Dolphins, Fraziers defenses would rank well statistically against mediocre to weak competition, but come playoff time against quality competition they were soft, weak, and exposed.  

 

Teams in the playoffs would light up the Bills D and then go literally lose the very next week and have their offenses held in check by lesser defenses.

 

This year, before three season ending injuries to arguably our 3 most important players on Defense, the McD led defense was 1st in sacks, 1st in interceptions, 1st in turnovers, 1st in point differential and giving up just 13 points per game, and that includes playing the Miami offense.  And even with those injuries, while the defense has fallen off statistically, they have kept us in games well enough for us to have won all of them had our offense not been so flat the last 5 weeks avg just 19 PPG during that stretch despite no significant injuries.  

 

 

 

I simply don't agree. I think they collapsed in the final 2 minutes against KC in 2021. They had played a decent game until that point. Some of that was on coaching. A bunch of it was execution and talent. 

 

In 2022 yes they stunk against the Bengals. But the whole team did. They played like zombies. If the loss last weel reassured me of anything it is that you can throw that playoff game out. The Bengals might well have beaten the Bills in the playoffs last year even if the Bills turned up. But it would have looked much more like last week looked where the Bills clung on in the game and competed their asses off.

 

Leslie is a darn good football coach and I'd re-hire him as DC tomorrow in an ideal world. I know it isn't ever gonna happen but therr we are. Leslie was never, ever, the issue.

Edited November 10, 2023 by GunnerBill