JMM Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Agree 10000 %!! This!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I listened to this on WGR. Orlovsky had a great take. Allen needs to be reminded that when he screws up like that with an unforced error he takes the team down with him. Time to grow up indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Nope. Josh needs to have FUN to perform at his best. There's no "growing up" in ball security. Just part of playing football. Taking the fun out of his playing would hurt, not help. Did it look like he was having fun last night? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: It's difficult because what can you say to him? You're going to bench him? Trade him? Fine him? Possibly the latter. The other two options aren't truly there at the moment. Yesterday does feel like a watershed moment. During previous games where he struggled, there have been excuses - particularly a poor O Line and dropped catches. Last night the O Line was ok and, as far as I can recall, no one dropped a catch. This is the first game where there is no mitigation. It is ALL on him. Where does he go from here? Does he bounce back or completely fall apart? Five days to find out. He is getting ROCKED in the media today. And it’s not criticism of his ability .. it’s questioning his focus and desire. Everyone acknowledges he’s as talented, maybe more talented, than anyone in the league … but the overwhelming commentary today is an annoyed refrain of “he doesn’t get it” and that’s a really wild narrative to see everywhere about a consensus elite QB. …it’s also accurate. Edited September 12, 2023 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I knew it was getting bad when after unnecessary contact, McDermott pointed to his own head and shouted to Josh “use your head”! as in Be Smarter. I recall seeing McD do that last year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Go to your room, no pudding 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Orlovski was the Colts tank for Luck. Anyway, what is he talking about? "grow up"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: I listened to this on WGR. Orlovsky had a great take. Allen needs to be reminded that when he screws up like that with an unforced error he takes the team down with him. Time to grow up indeed! He knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsUberAlles Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He’s right. He looked completely unprepared. I wouldn't say that. At one point with 35+ passes thrown he had something like 5 incompletions. The problem? 3 INTs. Just gotta stop trying to make every game into a blowout, that's the real issue. It's OK to win games 16-6 sometimes. He needs to get a better understanding of how he needs to play within games when it's not necessary for him to take so many risks. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, zow2 said: I knew it was getting bad when after unnecessary contact, McDermott pointed to his own head and shouted to Josh “use your head”! as in Be Smarter. I recall seeing McD do that last year as well. Alas....who will tell McD to "be smarter"? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Kind of nice having media being honest. I'm the biggest JA fan around, but there needs to be a conversation had between coaches and him. I have no idea how josh is treated by the coaches behind closed doors but I hope he's not being treated like a God. He was given the keys to the franchise, and he lost the game and let his teammates down playing completely undisciplined. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: He is getting ROCKED in the media today. And it’s not criticism of his ability .. it’s questioning his focus and desire. Everyone acknowledges he’s as talented, maybe more talented, than anyone in the league … but the overwhelming commentary today is an annoyed refrain of “he doesn’t get it” and that’s a really wild narrative to see everywhere about a consensus elite QB. …it’s also accurate. HoooooooooRAY for Hollywood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: He is getting ROCKED in the media today. And it’s not criticism of his ability .. it’s questioning his focus and desire. Everyone acknowledges he’s as talented, maybe more talented, than anyone in the league … but the overwhelming commentary today is an annoyed refrain of “he doesn’t get it” and that’s a really wild narrative to see everywhere about a consensus elite QB. …it’s also accurate. And this adds to the coaching decisions at OP. Everywhere he looks, Josh is being shredded. I don't think he's the kind to deal with bad press well. I am seriously concerned about Sunday because of this, the added pressure and everyone lining up to have a pop, what it's going to do to him. The coaches will be wanting to understandably lay into him about yesterday as well, but is that the right response considering the outside noise? What is the correct reaction? They have to get it right, otherwise the Bills could lose to the Raiders and the season, possibly even Josh himself, will be at risk of spiralling. Am I being melodramatic? I don't think so. A lot of us have been saying the coaching team is part of the problem, as they don't know how to manage him. If this is an accurate assessment, then they may not react adequately to the issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 That game was bigger than he was and it sure showed it. He had deer in the headlights when they did a close-up of his eyes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 He just looked broken last night. He had no answers most of the night and he turned to what he knows best, taking off and running or trying to make a backyard go for broke type of play or heave the ball downfield. Diggs is definitely in his head too. Hopefully he can snap out of it but he also went through an entire offseason and it still looks the same. We are at a really weird point right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, UKBillFan said: And this adds to the coaching decisions at OP. Everywhere he looks, Josh is being shredded. I don't think he's the kind to deal with bad press well. I am seriously concerned about Sunday because of this, the added pressure and everyone lining up to have a pop, what it's going to do to him. The coaches will be wanting to understandably lay into him about yesterday as well, but is that the right response considering the outside noise? What is the correct reaction? They have to get it right, otherwise the Bills could lose to the Raiders and the season, possibly even Josh himself, will be at risk of spiralling. Am I being melodramatic? I don't think so. A lot of us have been saying the coaching team is part of the problem, as they don't know how to manage him. If this is an accurate assessment, then they may not react adequately to the issue. He responded pretty well to the bad press a few years ago. He’s not playing well, but I wouldn’t bury him just yet. Especially due to some negative media types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Yea, Allen needs to have more awareness. He can’t be running out of the back of the end zone taking a safety. Oh wait…that was Orlovsky! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, UKBillFan said: And this adds to the coaching decisions at OP. Everywhere he looks, Josh is being shredded. I don't think he's the kind to deal with bad press well. I am seriously concerned about Sunday because of this, the added pressure and everyone lining up to have a pop, what it's going to do to him. The coaches will be wanting to understandably lay into him about yesterday as well, but is that the right response considering the outside noise? What is the correct reaction? They have to get it right, otherwise the Bills could lose to the Raiders and the season, possibly even Josh himself, will be at risk of spiralling. Am I being melodramatic? I don't think so. A lot of us have been saying the coaching team is part of the problem, as they don't know how to manage him. If this is an accurate assessment, then they may not react adequately to the issue. Very fair point. That guy out there last night looked completely lost. Everyone responds to different coaching. Some need to be criticized and some need to be lifted up. I don’t know how he is, but whatever we’ve been doing post-Daboll isn’t working. However, as you point out, the staff needs to factor in that Josh wasn’t just criticized today … he’s being challenged to grow up from every corner of football media. Thats very specific and unique criticism for someone who’s ascended to where he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Coldfronts said: That game was bigger than he was and it sure showed it. He had deer in the headlights when they did a close-up of his eyes Bigger than he was ? I mean he played poorly but it wasn’t exactly a SuperBowl or AFCCG . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: He responded pretty well to the bad press a few years ago. He’s not playing well, but I wouldn’t bury him just yet. Especially due to some negative media types. I'm more concerned about how the coaches react. I imagine, a few years ago, it was the moment Daboll sat him down, showed him the great plays he did and reminded him he can do it to build his confidence back up. Is this what needs to be done now? Or will it just encourage him to keep pushing heroball? ETA - Or if they go in strongly, will he just second guess himself further, start making more mistakes because he tries to trust the pocket when he shouldn't, or miss the big plays because he becomes too nervous to make them. To me, it does feel like a crossroads for him and the coaching staff. Get this right and this season can be a great one. Get it wrong... Edited September 12, 2023 by UKBillFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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