Einstein Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 30 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I believe they were 4-0 with Dodson starting last year. But some perspective. Our defense averages 16.7 ppg last season when Dodson did not start. Dodson started against Goff and gave up 25. Dodson started against Brissett and gave up 23. The only game our defense (with Dodson) didn’t do worse than our average was against Pittsburgh with them starting their rookie QB for the first time ever. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 47 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The counterpoint to my argument seems to be "we had a top 5 defense with Edmunds, but let's spend the money elsewhere and worst case still have a top 10 defense with a backup. It's not that much of a difference." I think it will be a very noticeable difference. We saw it last year when Edmunds was out. The problem with calling his absence the cause is he wasn’t the only , or most important, starter (s) who was missing from the middle of last years D. We truly have no idea how this years D will look compared to last. While Edmund’s absence is a notable change it may well be not even be a top 3 difference compared to last year. 19 minutes ago, Beast said: Edmunds underperformed and underwhelmed himself into a 20 million per year contract. Because teams never over pay for talent and it never blows up in their face 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Sam Mills starred in McDs defense in Carolina and was 5’9”, 229. And the Panthers erected a statue of him outside their stadium! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 It was over when we saw Bernard play last year and Beane drafted another smurf in the third round this year. I've never been high on Dodson but at least he has size. So disappointed we couldn't land Wagner for a SB run. Oh well hope Dodson can hold his own. Could he really make any less plays than Edmunds did last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 33 minutes ago, Beast said: Edmunds underperformed and underwhelmed himself into a 20 million per year contract. Overpaid by the bears 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Sam Mills starred in McDs defense in Carolina and was 5’9”, 229. Sam Mills died in 2005. McDermott didn't work in Carolina until 2011. When Mills retired from the NFL in 1997 McDermott was a year away from being a grad assistant at William and Mary. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 55 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I believe they were 4-0 with Dodson starting last year. We'll be fine. We're not falling off the cliff without Edmunds. A rotation of Dodson & Klein can still give us a top 10 defense. And we should be better at run support with those two. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, Einstein said: But some perspective. Our defense averages 16.7 ppg last season when Dodson did not start. Dodson started against Goff and gave up 25. Dodson started against Brissett and gave up 23. The only game our defense (with Dodson) didn’t do worse than our average was against Pittsburgh with them starting their rookie QB for the first time ever. So the MLB is now solely responsible for the performance of the defense? Once again your user name belies your knowledge base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Seemed like Dodson already had it won. It is Dodson's job to lose. As long as he shows out reasonably in the pre-season games he will start week 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: The counterpoint to my argument seems to be "we had a top 5 defense with Edmunds, but let's spend the money elsewhere and worst case still have a top 10 defense with a backup. It's not that much of a difference." I think it will be a very noticeable difference. We saw it last year when Edmunds was out. FWIW, we allowed our 3rd and 4th most points against Cleveland and Detroit, two of the games that Edmunds was out. Also, the 4th and 8th most total yards. The other game was vs. Pittsburgh, which was ranked 26th in scoring and 23rd in yardage offense. Their QB was the rookie Pickett, who was terrible last season. It was his second NFL start, on the road here. Probably not the best gauge of our D with or w/o Edmunds. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 53 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Sam Mills starred in McDs defense in Carolina and was 5’9”, 229. Sam Mills, the NO LB? He played in the '90s, he was Bills '90s era. 58 minutes ago, Bigvinny said: Von Miller even said it was Dodson the whole time. LOL I didn't realize that Von was our DC now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 49 minutes ago, Einstein said: But some perspective. Our defense averages 16.7 ppg last season when Dodson did not start. Dodson started against Goff and gave up 25. Dodson started against Brissett and gave up 23. The only game our defense (with Dodson) didn’t do worse than our average was against Pittsburgh with them starting their rookie QB for the first time ever. Just for some context - The lions had the #4 Offensive in football. Coming off a 3 game winning streak (and following this loss with 3 more wins). They had 3 turnovers total in that 7 game stretch and 2 were against buffalo, and it was among their mediocre to poor outings on the season. And also dodson played 10 snaps in that game - klein played 71. Dodson did play the entire game against Cleveland. It should be noted that the game was 28-10 and the Browns gained 150 yards on offense after that 3 score lead was established, as well as 13 points. 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 32 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We'll be fine. We're not falling off the cliff without Edmunds. A rotation of Dodson & Klein can still give us a top 10 defense. And we should be better at run support with those two. Well, we're going to find out. Despite all the rhetoric back and forth, no one knows what's going to happen or how we'll be w/o Edmunds and with Dodson or whomever else starts at MLB. As Gunner points out, it's Dodson's job to lose. We'll see how it plays out once the season gets going. There are more reasons to think that it will be problematic than that it won't be, but until the games get played, we won't know with any certainty. We all have our thoughts on the matter. We're all hoping for the same result! GO BILLS!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Just for some context - The lions had the #4 Offensive in football. Coming off a 3 game winning streak (and following this loss with 3 more wins). They had 3 turnovers total in that 7 game stretch and 2 were against buffalo, and it was among their mediocre to poor outings on the season. And also dodson played 10 snaps in that game - klein played 71. Dodson did play the entire game against Cleveland. It should be noted that the game was 28-10 and the Browns gained 150 yards on offense after that 3 score lead was established, as well as 13 points. Browns game would’ve been a good evaluation of Dodson but Jacoby Brissett juked him out of his jock 1v1 on the first drive so I couldn’t continue to watch him after that play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 No, I think upstart teams like the Orioles can give the Braves a good run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Browns game would’ve been a good evaluation of Dodson but Jacoby Brissett juked him out of his jock 1v1 on the first drive so I couldn’t continue to watch him after that play. And yet he soldiered on and led the team in tackles 🙂 Their top 10 running game managed 51 yards on 19 carries. If you want to add in the QB scrambles you have 26 carries for 80 yards. Edited August 11, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I believe they were 4-0 with Dodson starting last year. And he was integral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Airseven said: No, I think upstart teams like the Orioles can give the Braves a good run. I think it'd have to be the astros simply because i don't know that the orioles can match their starters in a series - and they're the defending champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: And the Panthers erected a statue of him outside their stadium! Yeah, Dodson and Sam Mills belong in the same sentence. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Just for some context - The lions had the #4 Offensive in football. Coming off a 3 game winning streak (and following this loss with 3 more wins). They had 3 turnovers total in that 7 game stretch and 2 were against buffalo, and it was among their mediocre to poor outings on the season. And also dodson played 10 snaps in that game - klein played 71. Dodson did play the entire game against Cleveland. It should be noted that the game was 28-10 and the Browns gained 150 yards on offense after that 3 score lead was established, as well as 13 points. To add some more context the Cleveland drives after it was 28 to 10 were: 28-10 6:45 remaining to play: Run Chubb -1 yards Pass Incomplete Pass Complete 6 yards Pass Complete 6 yards Pass Incomplete Run Hunt 11 yards Pass Incomplete Pass Complete 14 yards Pass Complete 27 yards Pass Complete 7 yards - TD 31-16 1:56 Remaining to play: Pass Complete 12 yards Pass complete 15 yards Pass complete 12 yards QB Run 6 yards Pass incomplete Pass incomplete Pass complete 20 yards Pass incomplete Pass Incomplete Pass complete 2 yards - TD 31-23 - 19 seconds left Bills kneel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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