HereComesTheReignAgain Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: Thad doesn't like him Injury stat line this season: Josh Allen : Out due to hornet stings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ironic, isn't it? Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts. Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34. Rodgers 4th with 25. Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board. I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh. The 71 consecutive starts is only the regular season, if you add in the playoffs Allen has 79 consecutive starts. For the life of me a stat like this should contain playoff games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Ok but suffering an injury that caused the second half season offense to look totally different doesn't do the team any favors. My point was, if he missed one game after the week 9 injury, which would have been reasonable, he wouldn't have this streak and in that case where does his #1 ranking fall on the "most durable list" having just a 9 game streak currently??? I get what you’re saying.. but he didn’t miss games and continued to win games and be our best option regardless of limitations due to injury. It’s a combination of toughness, desire and luck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: Thad doesn't like him Well I don't like the name Thad so let's ignore that guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, StHustle said: Kinda misleading cause he played through an injury most QBs woulda missed at least one game with. And didn't he also play through injury a couple seasons back? So yeah the streak is cool but he still get hurt and his play suffers as a result. I love his toughness but not sure if this #1 streak means what it looks like. Rookie year - hit in the pocket... and kind of late if i remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, StHustle said: Ok but suffering an injury that caused the second half season offense to look totally different doesn't do the team any favors. My point was, if he missed one game after the week 9 injury, which would have been reasonable, he wouldn't have this streak and in that case where does his #1 ranking fall on the "most durable list" having just a 9 game streak currently??? Was he 100% after the Jets game? No. But to claim he hurt the team in any way by toughing it out and playing is to ignore the reality of what he did after the Jets game: * A 7 - 1 regular season record & division title against a tough schedule with all sorts of mayhem intruding on the Bills season. The only loss was in OT against the Vikings. And while Allen had a couple of bad TO's in that game he had 414 total yards. * A 1 - 1 playoff record. So Allen's Allen's post injury record was 8 - 2. * Look at his stats over that period. Maybe not top 3 in the NFL but definitely top 10. And don't discard the impact of bad weather on Allen's stats over that period. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ironic, isn't it? Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts. Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34. Rodgers 4th with 25. Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board. I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh. Transplant, do you have the article, or link? I’m asking as I’d like if I have time this afternoon to bring up on MTC on NFLR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ironic, isn't it? Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts. Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34. Rodgers 4th with 25. Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board. I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh. Cam Newton suffered a shoulder injury on this hit by TJ Watt. It ruined his season and required surgery which was not 100% successful. The take-a-way is that he was stationery and in the throwing motion when he took the hit. So Cam should not be the go to poster boy for running QBs being at greater risk of serious injury as many suggest. watt-jars-ball-loose-with-big-hit wr-torrey-smith-cam-newton-tj-watt-josh-allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Didn't Allen say a few months back that he needs to do a better job in avoiding taking hits. He knows he can't continue playing this style. Hopefully with a better OL and run game from the running backs he won't have to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: To be fair, Cam Newton only missed two starts his first five seasons. They have a similar playing style so maybe he is a cautionary tale. However, the reality is the Bills don't really have a choice. They have to let Josh be Josh and hope he doesn't suffer the same fate as Newton. The best they can do is build up the o-line, find WR's that can separate quickly, find effective short yardage running backs, and keep hammering into Josh's head to not put his body on the line unless it's absolutely necessary. I agree with you here, but I think some more context with the bolded is warranted. The Bills do have a choice, and it appears they made strides to addressing this during the past offseason. What is the choice: stopped the designed runs, the short yard plunges, and use a short passing game and/or a short running game to get those yards, along with an improved IOL. The Bills brought in good short yardage WRs, and 2 RBs who are capable of picking up short yardage gains. They also have a RB, Cook, who should be explosive in a screen game/Kamara like usage situation. Now that Josh can get rid of the ball quicker with YAC WRs like Kincade, TEs like Knox, and have the threat of a running game, he hopefully won't need designed running plays (at least until the playoffs), and won't need to scramble to pick up as many first downs with WRs running a variety of route options. All that said, if he needs to scramble to get a 1st, go for it. 1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Cam Newton suffered a shoulder injury on this hit by TJ Watt. It ruined his season and required surgery which was not 100% successful. The take-a-way is that he was stationery and in the throwing motion when he took the hit. So Cam should not be the go to poster boy for running QBs being at greater risk of serious injury as many suggest. watt-jars-ball-loose-with-big-hit wr-torrey-smith-cam-newton-tj-watt-josh-allen good points! But RBs have shorter careers than other positions for a reason. We don't want Josh as a QB/RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, StHustle said: Ok but suffering an injury that caused the second half season offense to look totally different doesn't do the team any favors. My point was, if he missed one game after the week 9 injury, which would have been reasonable, he wouldn't have this streak and in that case where does his #1 ranking fall on the "most durable list" having just a 9 game streak currently??? Dumbest post I've read in a while. Congratulations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ironic, isn't it? Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts. Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34. Rodgers 4th with 25. Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board. I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh. Ironic how? Through his first 5 years, Josh Allen started 76 games. Through his first 5 years, Cam Newton started 78 games. This point is bad and you should feel bad. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Allen is a tank, but it’s a useless record to chase…. Being healthy in the playoffs or not doing permanent damage by playing injured is more important than catching Favre’s oxy assisted record of 297 (+24 playoffs) consecutive games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: Was he 100% after the Jets game? No. But to claim he hurt the team in any way by toughing it out and playing is to ignore the reality of what he did after the Jets game: By his own admission he couldn’t be accurate on the short throws so he was limited to chucking it deep. Didn’t that hurt the team? Especially in the playoffs against the Bengals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 8 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: Josh is gonna be Josh, and I know none of us want to see him battered but he's not gonna change. His competitive nature is too strong to even compromise any change. If anyone hopes he changes, it's the LBs and DBs he's already faced, especially the ones he's hurdled. or stiff armed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Even the most durable QB will start to get banged up with age. The smartest ones pick their spots and adapt as they get older. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Delete by his jinx of a thread. Madden was already bad enough. 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ironic, isn't it? Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts. Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34. Rodgers 4th with 25. Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board. I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh. Some of us have been asking for data, for years, supporting the armchair football expert's view that a QB who runs will be hurt all the time. Also, some of us have been saying, for years, that Josh needs to RUN with the ball, as it's the most dangerous thing he does. Josh not running is like Josh playing at 65% capability, due to injury. Let the boy run. If he breaks 3 ribs and is out for the season, that's called bad luck. He could destroy his knee being sacked, standing still in the pocket, too. Let the boy run while he is young and healthy enough to do it. The running aspect of his game will disappear with age long before his arm fails. The window isn't THAT big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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