Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 3 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: This is a HUGE signing! Ford and Ed in the middle, Pink Floyd and Von and groot on the outside?!?? Our D just got studded boys. This is a big day. Beaner just wrecked the AFC!!!! Ford and Settle will be the best two complements to Oliver he has had. No excuses for Ed now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Those were garbage sacks last year. Lawson outplayed him. Like this signing Time for Beane to admit mistake and trade Epenesa for a 5th next year. Basham isn't much better but he has size to play in run down situations. Epenesa is useless against the run. Lawson is an average football player. I mean the amount of love the guy gets on here makes me shake my head. He's a loveable character. I get it he likes Buffalo and Buffalo likes him but that doesn't change the fact that the Bills can't do a lot better. Epenesa has upside still. I don't care if they were garbage sacks. He's still showing improvement unlike Lawson who we know exactly what his max is. I'm not even really advocating for Epenesa or Basham either but at least there could be something more there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Nice signing- hopefully this keeps Epenesa on the sidelines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 "May your first sack be a masculine sack" 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Ford and Settle will be the best two complements to Oliver he has had. No excuses for Ed now. I assume you meant Jones? Settle is probably out of a job. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Lawson is an average football player. I mean the amount of love the guy gets on here makes me shake my head. He's a loveable character. I get it he likes Buffalo and Buffalo likes him but that doesn't change the fact that the Bills can't do a lot better. Epenesa has upside still. I don't care if they were garbage sacks. He's still showing improvement unlike Lawson who we know exactly what his max is. I'm not even really advocating for Epenesa or Basham either but at least there could be something more there. Every SB Champ team has a large number of average players behind their stars. No one is saying Lawson should start. We're talking about DE4 or DE5 here. So yeah, Lawson should get a lot of love for that level of position. He'd be one of the best DE4s in the league. And while I like Epenesa and hope for the best for Basham, as of today, Lawson is a better, more well rounded option than either of them. As a matter of fact, I'd say Lawson is practically a combination of both of those players. Can set the edge unlike Epenesa, and can chase down guys in the backfield unlike Basham. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 With how tough our schedule is, not gonna lie.. I feel MUCH better about facing off against the Jets, Dolphins and Jaguars early season (without Von) now that we have Floyd coming off the edge. Those are three, potentially, very good/elite passing offenses and - even without Von - we have a decent amount of firepower in Floyd, Rousseau, Oliver, Poona, Phillips and Jones. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 53 minutes ago, Airseven said: The Oliver extension adds money to the cap, an extension that presumably helped Beane fit Floyd. Next year, Floyd will be gone, Oliver will be overpaid, and they’ll still need pass rush help. OK so now I’m confused I originally thought that you were complaining about the Floyd signing. Is this all about Oliver? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 8 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Lawson is an average football player. I mean the amount of love the guy gets on here makes me shake my head. He's a loveable character. I get it he likes Buffalo and Buffalo likes him but that doesn't change the fact that the Bills can't do a lot better. Epenesa has upside still. I don't care if they were garbage sacks. He's still showing improvement unlike Lawson who we know exactly what his max is. I'm not even really advocating for Epenesa or Basham either but at least there could be something more there. I agree. Im fine with Lawson on the PS, if he’s willing to fill that role, but I’d rather keep Epenesa and Boogie. Not that I’m super high on either, but AJ has at least shown flashes of above average pass rush ability. Boogie has shown nothing, but has two years left on a rookie deal. Id rather bank on the potential of AJ & Boogie behind Von, Rousseau and Floyd, now that we have (when healthy) three legit EDGE players. We know what Shaq is. AJ has flashed more and Basham has another cheap rookie year on his contract on a team that doesn’t have many DL players under contract after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: With how tough our schedule is, not gonna lie.. I feel MUCH better about facing off against the Jets, Dolphins and Jaguars early season (without Von) now that we have Floyd coming off the edge. Those are three, potentially, very good/elite passing offenses and - even without Von - we have a decent amount of firepower in Floyd, Rousseau, Oliver, Poona, Phillips and Jones. Personally, I think the Bills have had some decent talent on the DL. I do suspect that they were not used as a unit as well as they could have been. I'm not diss'ing Frazier, but I think he was too conservative with calling the D. I have a real hope that Sean pushes the D a lot more this season. It won't work all the time but then it's up to Josh to bring the W home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 minute ago, SCBills said: I agree. Im fine with Lawson on the PS, if he’s willing to fill that role, but I’d rather keep Epenesa and Boogie. Not that I’m super high on either, but AJ has at least shown flashes of above average pass rush ability. Boogie has shown nothing, but has two years left on a rookie deal. Id rather bank on the potential of AJ & Boogie behind Von, Rousseau and Floyd, now that we have (when healthy) three legit EDGE players. We know what Shaq is. AJ has flashed more and Basham has another cheap rookie year on his contract on a team that doesn’t have many DL players under contract after this year. My take is, when I'm down to my DE4, I want someone I can count on even if they arent the most talented. I need steady and consistent over boom/bust like AJ and Boogie. We know what Shaq is... and that's exactly why I like him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 45 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Why are Ngakoue, Ingram, Houston, Quinn still out there as well? Quality Edge market! But one of them has signed I expect will see more signings around the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBaller10 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 To the naked eye, Lawson did outperform Basham and AJE, and I believe received more playing time than either down the stretch, but it’s more an indictment on those players than it is an appraisal of Lawson’s game. It’s sad that neither AJE nor Basham have stepped up to make big time plays in games when they’re needed. One at the very least has to show much more than Lawson provides this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Floyd - Ford - Phillips - Epenesa is one hell of a DL2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 19 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Lawson is an average football player. I mean the amount of love the guy gets on here makes me shake my head. He's a loveable character. I get it he likes Buffalo and Buffalo likes him but that doesn't change the fact that the Bills can't do a lot better. Epenesa has upside still. I don't care if they were garbage sacks. He's still showing improvement unlike Lawson who we know exactly what his max is. I'm not even really advocating for Epenesa or Basham either but at least there could be something more there. Shaq is a JAG, not bad but certainly not dynamic. And at his age he just is what he is. He sets the edge above average against the run and is a below-average pass rusher but not tragic. He is a great vet rotation/depth player. The Bills usually carry 5 DE's and Shaq being your 5th guy is a good thing. Floyd will likely slot into a rotational slot early in the season and get good snaps. With Von likely to start the season on the PUP list the Bills need to find one more player at DE and they got a solid option this late in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: My take is, when I'm down to my DE4, I want someone I can count on even if they arent the most talented. I need steady and consistent over boom/bust like AJ and Boogie. We know what Shaq is... and that's exactly why I like him. Define Steady and consistent to me if steady and consistent is taking reps and setting the edge with no ability to rush the passer than sure. Epenesa had 6.5 sacks in his 3rd season in the NFL and is an ascending player. He also started 2 games this year. Lawson started 6 games and had 3.5 sacks in his 7th year. So Lawson had triple his starts, forced less turnovers, and has double the experience in the NFL than Epenesa but had 3 sacks less, 1 less turnover opportunity and had 15 more tackles which at the end of the day aren't difference making plays because Epenesa had 7 TFL and Lawson had 6. There is literally no concernable stats that say that Shaq Lawson is a better player than AJ Epenesa at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 44 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: No pass rusher has ever won a championship for anyone. I kinda get what you're saying, but: Didn't Von literally do that for the Rams in SB LVI? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: To the naked eye, Lawson did outperform Basham and AJE, and I believe received more playing time than either down the stretch, but it’s more an indictment on those players than it is an appraisal of Lawson’s game. It’s sad that neither AJE nor Basham have stepped up to make big time plays in games when they’re needed. One at the very least has to show much more than Lawson provides this season. Shaq Lawson was a consensus All-American, and double-digit sack starter on a Clemson team that played for the National Championship, which got him drafted in the 1st round. Both AJ and Boogie are late 2nd round picks from small programs that couldnt even win their conferences. Shaq disappointed a bit in the beginning of his career here, but he should absolutely be far more talented than either of the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 9.5 sacks, 11 TFL, missed only 4 tackles last year (as an 34 OLB) and played 86% of the defensive snaps. How was he still a FA? Age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 26 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Lawson is an average football player. I mean the amount of love the guy gets on here makes me shake my head. He's a loveable character. I get it he likes Buffalo and Buffalo likes him but that doesn't change the fact that the Bills can't do a lot better. Epenesa has upside still. I don't care if they were garbage sacks. He's still showing improvement unlike Lawson who we know exactly what his max is. I'm not even really advocating for Epenesa or Basham either but at least there could be something more there. Epenesa is not showing signs of improvement however. He was given a chance to start when Miller went down and played poorly. Lawson beat him out for the starting job and was the starting D end at the end of the season. Agree Lawson is an average player but Epenesa is just not any good. Basham is probably worse but at least he is a bigger body to help against the run. 3 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said: I kinda get what you're saying, but: Didn't Von literally do that for the Rams in SB LVI? Pretty sure he did it for Denver vs Carolina as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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