ArdmoreRyno Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. When? Under Dems, who don't care if the border is open and drugs and thugs are crossing unfettered? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 7, 2023 Author Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Doc said: When? Under Dems, who don't care if the border is open and drugs and thugs are crossing unfettered? I don't have the answer of when. I know Biden and his puppet masters won't do anything about it. Just saying, should we? It would be a struggle, maybe more so than Afghanistan was, but how long do we allow this to devastate our country??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 If Mexican authorities invite us to help with military operations, sure. Otherwise, it's the plot of Clear and Present Danger all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. Even a larger question, Mexico is the leader in creating the illegal drug supply which is destroying society. Leading cause of crime, homelessness, health costs, need for social charities and misery. I vote for all out assault on drug cartels, they kill more than 9-11. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Not a mission for US military. The US military is not constructed to handle this type of thing. There are other options, but most wouldn't be possible without Mexican gov approval and leadership/participation. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Roundybout said: If Mexican authorities invite us to help with military operations, sure. Otherwise, it's the plot of Clear and Present Danger all over. The problem is there are no authorities to deal with in Mexico. Invade the place and set up a 25 mile DMZ. Maybe use our military to actually defend our sovereignty instead of everyone else's for a change. Who's on board with the idea among the war supporters and lovers of democracy elsewhere? I'm sure the local law abiding Mexican population would welcome us. Edited March 7, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 52 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The problem is there are no authorities to deal with in Mexico. Invade the place and set up a 25 mile DMZ. Maybe use our military to actually defend our sovereignty instead of everyone else's for a change. Who's on board with the idea among the war supporters and lovers of democracy elsewhere? I'm sure the local law abiding Mexican population would welcome us. Invading another sovereign nation is not acceptable. They need to ask for our help first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Invading another sovereign nation is not acceptable. They need to ask for our help first. What? We do it all the time. Such as Syria. US forces are occupying parts of the country and I know for sure they didn't ask for "help". Edited March 7, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: Even a larger question, Mexico is the leader in creating the illegal drug supply which is destroying society. Leading cause of crime, homelessness, health costs, need for social charities and misery. I vote for all out assault on drug cartels, they kill more than 9-11. They would be out of biz if not for insatiable demand. Perhaps we should work on the causes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: When? Under Dems, who don't care if the border is open and drugs and thugs are crossing unfettered? Do you and @ArdmoreRyno understand how cartels move drugs into this country? Where did you read immigrants bring in drugs. Edited March 7, 2023 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Also if you get rid of the cartels the state of Arizonas government would collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Do you and @ArdmoreRyno understand how cartels move drugs into this country? Where did you read immigrants bring in drugs. No one said it's (just) immigrants bringing in drugs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: No one said it's (just) immigrants bringing in drugs. It’s not immigrants. Immigrants trying to cross the border w their kids aren’t smuggling drugs. Has nothing to do with it. Doesn’t mean immigration isn’t an issue. But to combine the two is dishonest media manipulation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: They would be out of biz if not for insatiable demand. Perhaps we should work on the causes... Cause is availability and pressure. No one would abuse Ozempic without availability and advertising pressure. Eliminate source and 90% of future cases are eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Long past time, tbh. Reagan should have sacked up when Kiki Camarena was tortured and killed. Would have headed off a lot of the problems we face now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Cause is availability and pressure. No one would abuse Ozempic without availability and advertising pressure. Eliminate source and 90% of future cases are eliminated. I wish you were right. My understanding is that it's not that difficult to synthesize fentanyl. Someone else would take over. And if not, they'd find another high. idiots make meth in their garages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I wish you were right. My understanding is that it's not that difficult to synthesize fentanyl. Someone else would take over. And if not, they'd find another high. idiots make meth in their garages. Remove social supports, clean needle programs etc, condemn the use and second chance judges and the future problem is reduced. 25 years for selling, life for production and add real import controls. Society is rotting from Mexican cartel activities. Don Corleone was right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: It’s not immigrants. Immigrants trying to cross the border w their kids aren’t smuggling drugs. Has nothing to do with it. Doesn’t mean immigration isn’t an issue. But to combine the two is dishonest media manipulation. They're using immigrants to overwhelm the border and distract from their drug running. But some immigrants absolutely are bringing drugs across with them. How do you think these people are getting to and across the border when they're so poor? And no, this isn't an anti-immigration stance, just anti-illegal immigration. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 59 minutes ago, Doc said: They're using immigrants to overwhelm the border and distract from their drug running. But some immigrants absolutely are bringing drugs across with them. How do you think these people are getting to and across the border when they're so poor? And no, this isn't an anti-immigration stance, just anti-illegal immigration. That is complete BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: That is complete BS. Sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Make America Mexico! —Democrats 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 6 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. These aren't overdoses... it's flat out poisoning... and it's flat out stupid for people to go messing with this stuff. Whatever happened to the days of going to the park, smoking a doob, and throwing the frisbee? Or going on a hike somewhere pretty. People used to have fun with a little enhancement but in the last few decades they are using stuff to basically hide. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, T&C said: These aren't overdoses... it's flat out poisoning... and it's flat out stupid for people to go messing with this stuff. Whatever happened to the days of going to the park, smoking a doob, and throwing the frisbee? Or going on a hike somewhere pretty. People used to have fun with a little enhancement but in the last few decades they are using stuff to basically hide. Do you think some OD deaths were actually suicides? Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 The Mexican government is less legitimate and more corrupt than Syria and 2010 Libya combined. Been the case for many years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 20 hours ago, nedboy7 said: That is complete BS. https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/cartels-exploiting-border-chaos-to-smuggle-fentanyl-into-us/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/cartels-exploiting-border-chaos-to-smuggle-fentanyl-into-us/ https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers Edited March 8, 2023 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers It doesn't take a Ph. D. to see that the cartels use what is happening on the border to get drugs in as well as trafficking's humans across the border as well. Who are the ones brining the illegals across? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said: It doesn't take a Ph. D. to see that the cartels use what is happening on the border to get drugs in as well as trafficking's humans across the border as well. Who are the ones brining the illegals across? Victor Manjarrez served in the Border Patrol for more than 20 years, retiring as the sector chief in Tucson. https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118271910/many-americans-falsely-think-migrants-are-bringing-most-of-the-fentanyl-entering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) You’re talking past each other. By definition people that traffic drugs across the border aren’t migrants, because they aren’t migrating, they’re trafficking drugs. But yes many illegal border crossers are in fact not “migrants” but coyotes and drug traffickers. Edited March 9, 2023 by LeviF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: It doesn't take a Ph. D. to see that the cartels use what is happening on the border to get drugs in as well as trafficking's humans across the border as well. Who are the ones brining the illegals across? Exactly. It's smart on the part of the cartels. Promise people a chance to get into America if they smuggle drugs across the border. There's no other way to explain how all these people have the thousands of dollars it takes to make the trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 I have wondered for a while now why they don't build a few US military bases on the southern border & then they can conduct their tank shelling practice & bombing raids on the American side of the border which after seeing the explosions would likely deter many from trying to come across . At night the military could patrol the border and send those back that come across it would do 2 things keep the money for military bases here along with the training of the troops rather than building military bases in foreign countries then when we leave give them away to terrorists . And it would keep the amount of illegals from coming freely across the border . That's called a twofer !! Plus then we could know the tax payers money was going to good use . I'm sure if Joe would ever tok the time to visit the southern border & actually see the cluster he has help create he might realize something needs to be done but he believed Kamala after she came back from over seas & told him there wasn't a problem at the southern border ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Does anyone know if the quantity of drugs crossing the border has increased or is it just the toxicity (as in fentanyl and whatever other crap people use) that has increased? The cartels have been sending tons of drugs over the border for decades, regardless of the number of migrants crossing or the war on drugs. If one way is stopped, they will find another way. As long as there is a demand by stupid Americans, they will feed it. Resources would be better spent on locking up dealers, education, addiction treatment and prevention programs. As far as immigration goes, there are powerful forces on both sides of the aisle that want to keep the issue just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Andy1 said: Does anyone know if the quantity of drugs crossing the border has increased or is it just the toxicity (as in fentanyl and whatever other crap people use) that has increased? The cartels have been sending tons of drugs over the border for decades, regardless of the number of migrants crossing or the war on drugs. If one way is stopped, they will find another way. As long as there is a demand by stupid Americans, they will feed it. Resources would be better spent on locking up dealers, education, addiction treatment and prevention programs. As far as immigration goes, there are powerful forces on both sides of the aisle that want to keep the issue just the way it is. As you’ve already apparently guessed, the quantity of drugs coming into the US hasn’t changed so much as the “quality.” The cartels used to traffic a shitload of marijuana but now that it’s legal/decriminalized in many states they’ve diversified. Cocaine, heroin, meth, and fentanyl are moneymakers for them now as well. Easy way to track this sort of thing is to look at CBP figures for seizures at the southwest border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Will Mexico pay for the invasion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 2:25 PM, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. Yes. We should. We have the ability, but don't have a leader who can do it. Our "leader" is too busy dividing, aborting third trimester babies, ruining the economy, getting his addict son paid, and drooling in his soup. What a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Just say no! 17 minutes ago, Irv said: Yes. We should. We have the ability, but don't have a leader who can do it. Our "leader" is too busy dividing, aborting third trimester babies, ruining the economy, getting his addict son paid, and drooling in his soup. What a mess. You want an invasion of Mexico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just say no! You want an invasion of Mexico? I'd like something done at the border. Do you think the border is tenable? Or to you, does it even matter? And before you answer, please save the Trump bull####. What a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Irv said: I'd like something done at the border. Do you think the border is tenable? Or to you, does it even matter? And before you answer, please save the Trump bull####. What a mess. They can't keep drugs out of prisons, how in the world are you going to keep them out of the most commercially open country in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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