The Unreleased J6 Capitol Surveillance Tapes: As Expected Tapes CONFIRM Sham J6 Committee LIED.

[wnyguy]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Link?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-biden-bail/biden-staff-donate-to-group-that-pays-bail-in-riot-torn-minneapolis-idUSKBN2360SZ

[Wacka]

25 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

You didn't comprehend that was just an example?  Can't help you.  Sub is short for substitute. 

What does this sentence mean?

'Sub kill with any violent, or non I suppose, crime."

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, wnyguy said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-biden-bail/biden-staff-donate-to-group-that-pays-bail-in-riot-torn-minneapolis-idUSKBN2360SZ

Hardly analogous to the ex prez and a sitting member of congress calling for their release.  Bail and actual acquittal are very different.  How many of the 10,000 arrested got freed on bail do u guess?

[aristocrat]

20 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Ole Tuck did.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/bulls-gop-senators-rebuke-tucker-carlson-downplaying-jan-6-mostly-peac-rcna73764

 

“Deadly insurrection — everything about that phrase is a lie,” Carlson said on his show Monday night. “Very little about Jan. 6 was organized or violent. Surveillance video from inside the Capitol shows mostly peaceful chaos.”

What didn’t appear on Carlson’s program Monday evening was video showing police and rioters engaged in extended violent clashes. About 140 police officers were assaulted that day.

nobody killed on police side and the violence occurred outside is that correct? He’s being selective with his words 

[wnyguy]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

Hardly analogous to the ex prez and a sitting member of congress calling for their release.  Bail and actual acquittal are very different.  How many of the 10,000 arrested got freed on bail do u guess?

Good question, how many do you think are out right now being productive members of society?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

nobody killed on police side and the violence occurred outside is that correct? He’s being selective with his words 

I think a better word is misleading.  better but not evil enough.

1 minute ago, wnyguy said:

Good question, how many do you think are out right now being productive members of society?

I suspect very few of the rioters on either side will ever do much their countrymen will be proud of.  Sadly, most are probably irredeemable.  The US doesn't have reeducation camps.

[L Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

What? The DEMS were bailing them out of jail for crying out loud.

I only wish you were correct.

You don't have to wish I am correct!  I'm sure there are a couple exceptions and that is unfortunate. There are exceptions to everything.

 

I don't feel too bad for them because just being there makes them dumbasses.  I think left wing protesters are dumbasses too by the way.

 

 

[nedboy7]

21 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Not better, just understandable. Steal an election and some unruliness may arise.

Is that you Kari?   
the guy who owns the company you watch about election fraud had to admit in court it was a lie. So pathetic. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, nedboy7 said:

Is that you Kari?   
the guy who owns the company you watch about election fraud had to admit in court it was a lie. So pathetic. 

She's on the short list for R VP don't ya know...

[aristocrat]

4 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

You don't have to wish I am correct!  I'm sure there are a couple exceptions and that is unfortunate. There are exceptions to everything.

 

I don't feel too bad for them because just being there makes them dumbasses.  I think left wing protesters are dumbasses too by the way.

 

 

multiple billions in damage and dozens killed in blm riots plus ongoing societal problems due to decriminalizing crime as a result of the movement….shop lifting, car jacking etc

 

6 mil in damage Jan 6. 
 

who is  worse?

[L Ron Burgundy]

8 minutes ago, Wacka said:

What does this sentence mean?

'Sub kill with any violent, or non I suppose, crime."

It means substitute kill from my previous sentence with any crime.  It was a random example. 

 

As in, if you commit a crime it makes no difference what you did the rest of your day. 

 

The right wants to say look at how peaceful everyone was in these clips!  The left is exaggerating they say.  But, every violent clip from the j6 committee did happen.   Terrible things did happen.   The peaceful videos have no bearing on anything. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

multiple billions in damage and dozens killed in blm riots plus ongoing societal problems due to decriminalizing crime as a result of the movement….shop lifting, car jacking etc

 

6 mil in damage Jan 6. 
 

who is  worse?

asked and answered.  They're both disgusting

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

You do realize that answering "both"

 

Does NOT answer the question "which is worse"

 

Sure you do.

 

But you CAN"T give the appropriate answer can you ?

 

 

Evil is Evil.  what about that is difficult for you to comprehend.  It's like asking which demon is worse.

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

multiple billions in damage and dozens killed in blm riots plus ongoing societal problems due to decriminalizing crime as a result of the movement….shop lifting, car jacking etc

 

6 mil in damage Jan 6. 
 

who is  worse?

J6, no question.   But again, lock them both up.  90% of protesters can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.  The violent people at j6 thought they were overthrowing our government.   

 

Other Extremists saw Jan 6.  I'm sure they're somewhat surprised how unprepared our government was for that and are planning their next moronic maneuver.  The rights insanity with questioning elections and stoking fear continues. 

[Wacka]

Why did Pelosi turn down Trumps offer of the National Guard? Why was her daughter there filming?

Edited March 7, 2023 by Wacka

[T master]

8 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

sure.  Do you believe traitor tucker will prove that for you?

 

If the video isn't some kind of reproduction then it has nothing to do with what Tucker says if you can see it with your own 2 eyes . If it goes against all that has been said about the incidence then it is what it is has nothing to do with who is telling it unless i'm missing something ??

[Joe Ferguson forever]

13 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Why did Pelosi turn down Trumps offer of the National Guard? Why was her daughter there filming?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284.  Perhaps if trump actually answered some of the committee's questions rather than taking the 5th we'd have his answer.  No idea why Pelosi's daughter was filming.  Maybe she decided to go to work with her mom that day to watch a new prez be formally empowered...then she decided that recording history that will forever be a national embarrassment was a good idea....

Edited March 7, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Beach]

some of you should be upset with that committee for misleading you.  i know a couple of you here that should apologize to me, i wont hold my breath. i gave a first hand account but you'd rather believe known liars.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Now SoCal...Tucker clearly said MORE than that, don't just pick and choose to support a position.

Everyone from Trump to this committee clear speak with forked tongue. 

We all know Lee Oswald was not a simple independent thinker. 

 

The invasion of congress is the issue and who planned and supported it, not whether some security people acted strangely or whether some political sideshow committee controlled the narrative. There is nobody in the country who can give a report on the activities that all citizens would support.

The most important example of the clips Tucker showed was NOT of the protestors, but was the edited clip of the congressional representatives running from the chamber. The clips were edited to make it look as if only one member was running away, but the entire clip reveals that not only was he not the ONLY member running away, but he was NOT in the lead. In fact, all of the members were following the direction of the Capitol Police and the member in question was actually bringing up the rear.
 

Shame on the Committee and on anyone who listened to a word they had to say after seeing that example!

 

Don’t believe or agree with me. Consider this….a jury just sent Murdoch away for LIFE for lying about video evidence. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The most important example of the clips Tucker showed was NOT of the protestors, but was the edited clip of the congressional representatives running from the chamber. The clips were edited to make it look as if only one member was running away, but the entire clip reveals that not only was he not the ONLY member running away, but he was NOT in the lead. In fact, all of the members were following the direction of the Capitol Police and the member in question was actually bringing up the rear.
 

Shame on the Committee and on anyone who listened to a word they had to say after seeing that example!

 

Don’t believe or agree with me. Consider this….a jury just sent Murdoch away for LIFE for lying about video evidence. 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

multiple billions in damage and dozens killed in blm riots plus ongoing societal problems due to decriminalizing crime as a result of the movement….shop lifting, car jacking etc

 

6 mil in damage Jan 6. 
 

who is  worse?

 

It's not even close.  The terrible policies that followed the Summer of 2020 were devastating to the country, while after J6 the Capitol got $2B in security improvement and people taking rallies more seriously.

[Niagara Bill]

32 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The most important example of the clips Tucker showed was NOT of the protestors, but was the edited clip of the congressional representatives running from the chamber. The clips were edited to make it look as if only one member was running away, but the entire clip reveals that not only was he not the ONLY member running away, but he was NOT in the lead. In fact, all of the members were following the direction of the Capitol Police and the member in question was actually bringing up the rear.
 

Shame on the Committee and on anyone who listened to a word they had to say after seeing that example!

 

Don’t believe or agree with me. Consider this….a jury just sent Murdoch away for LIFE for lying about video evidence. 

I support what you are saying in this post.

Only 1 issue, invasion of congress and who helped plan and support it.

The rest is bullpoop.

 

[BillStime]

January 6 will forever be a stain on this country.

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Aw, geez. you're playing Sherpa's game.  My point is that Jan 6th was the polar opposite for the American psyche compared to that of Lake Placid 1980.  And people are trying, unsuccessfully to rationalize it.  Can't be done to a logical human...

Sherpa is a good poster, though I don't see him playing many games.  He seems pretty direct and gets to the point.   

 

A logical human realizes that things don't happen in a vacuum, and that context matters in a hyper-politicized environment.  Same video of Team USA, take the emotional temperature of the people when the McCarthyesque Part Deux Russia debacle is in full tilt, American psyche is "...polar opposite...compared to that of Lake Placid 1980".     L. Ron said, and more than a few agree, that he didn't care about that version of lies and manipulation when people were pitted against each other.  You implied it didn't really matter much, those particular claims of stolen elections. 

 

I used to wonder "why two standards?", but I've come to realize people can fool themselves into believing the lies they were fed were necessary to achieve the greater good, and sort of skip right past the obvious and stunning hypocrisy of their point of view. 

 

Me?  I wish the democrats had played it straight in 2016-2020, come after Trump politically without unfounded and scurrilous allegations of treason and fraudulent elections, and the absurd Mueller probe.  I wish that had Trump lost thereafter, that he would have left the WH, regrouped and attacked the dems politically.   

 

However, the dems lied, schemed, manipulated and persecuted for 5 full years...and won.  It seems highly illogical to assume that their destructive yet winning formula would not be reintroduced in 2020, so we get what we get.  These are the rules of an ugly game, but that's what you wanted. 

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Sherpa is a good poster, though I don't see him playing many games.  He seems pretty direct and gets to the point.   

 

A logical human realizes that things don't happen in a vacuum, and that context matters in a hyper-politicized environment.  Same video of Team USA, take the emotional temperature of the people when the McCarthyesque Part Deux Russia debacle is in full tilt, American psyche is "...polar opposite...compared to that of Lake Placid 1980".     L. Ron said, and more than a few agree, that he didn't care about that version of lies and manipulation when people were pitted against each other.  You implied it didn't really matter much, those particular claims of stolen elections. 

 

I used to wonder "why two standards?", but I've come to realize people can fool themselves into believing the lies they were fed were necessary to achieve the greater good, and sort of skip right past the obvious and stunning hypocrisy of their point of view. 

 

Me?  I wish the democrats had played it straight in 2016-2020, come after Trump politically without unfounded and scurrilous allegations of treason and fraudulent elections, and the absurd Mueller probe.  I wish that had Trump lost thereafter, that he would have left the WH, regrouped and attacked the dems politically.   

 

However, the dems lied, schemed, manipulated and persecuted for 5 full years...and won.  It seems highly illogical to assume that their destructive yet winning formula would not be reintroduced in 2020, so we get what we get.  These are the rules of an ugly game, but that's what you wanted. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

A logical human realizes that things don't happen in a vacuum, and that context matters in a hyper-politicized environment.

There is absolutely no way to justify what happened on Jan 6.  But feel free to continue your flimsy attempts.

 

The silver lining is that the R party is effectively split right now..NH and Arkansas governors both recently spoke against trump's candidacy.  McConnell and a handful of other powerful R's rebuked Ole Tuck and Fox and the usual suspects applauded him.  Good stuff if you r a D

Edited March 7, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

There is absolutely no way to justify what happened on Jan 6.  But feel free to continue your flimsy attempts.

 

The silver lining is that the R party is effectively split right now..NH and Arkansas governors both recently spoke against trump's candidacy.  McConnell and a handful of other powerful R's rebuked Ole Tuck and Fox and the usual suspects applauded him.  Good stuff if you r a D

Of course they can’t justify what happened on January 6.

 

The whole thing was shown on every tv across the globe.

 

That’s why the cult tries to whitewash EVERYTHING and share false equivalencies instead of acknowledging that they were conned.
 

That’s ok - the fringe will always be the fringe.

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

There is absolutely no way to justify what happened on Jan 6.  But feel free to continue your flimsy attempts.

We agree that it not justifiable, those that entered the capitol, and those that committed violence should be charged. 

 

Where we disagree is everything that has happened since in regards to framing of the event, the way the courts have handled the cases and J6 committee. The fact that you are upset that more than 1% of the video is now available to the public speaks volumes about your trust in politicians.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

There is absolutely no way to justify what happened on Jan 6.  But feel free to continue your flimsy attempts.

 

The silver lining is that the R party is effectively split right now..NH and Arkansas governors both recently spoke against trump's candidacy.  McConnell and a handful of other powerful R's rebuked Ole Tuck and Fox and the usual suspects applauded him.  Good stuff if you r a D

It's interesting that when I respond to your posts, which seemingly spin off in directions that are difficult to follow, you respond back with gibberish befitting a BillSy post.   Over the last few days,  it's been eggs, baskets, concrete walls, the national pulse after teh 1980 Olympic hockey game, and a triple lindy time travel to 1/6/2020 as if there was nothing that happened in the intervening 40 years.  

 

You're lying about my take on 1/6, there's no reason for that other than to change the subject.   That's yours prerogative, but it's fairly obvious that when confronted by your own hypocrisy, you run.  

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It's interesting that when I respond to your posts, which seemingly spin off in directions that are difficult to follow, you respond back with gibberish befitting a BillSy post.   Over the last few days,  it's been eggs, baskets, concrete walls, the national pulse after teh 1980 Olympic hockey game, and a triple lindy time travel to 1/6/2020 as if there was nothing that happened in the intervening 40 years.  

 

You're lying about my take on 1/6, there's no reason for that other than to change the subject.   That's yours prerogative, but it's fairly obvious that when confronted by your own hypocrisy, you run.  

 

 

If you can't keep up, I'm not gonna help you.  Won't push you down but won't help either.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said:

We agree that it not justifiable, those that entered the capitol, and those that committed violence should be charged. 

 

Where we disagree is everything that has happened since in regards to framing of the event, the way the courts have handled the cases and J6 committee. The fact that you are upset that more than 1% of the video is now available to the public speaks volumes about your trust in politicians.

I had a series of conversations about the shaman, the riot in general and the punishment meted out.  I made no attempts to "justify" 1/6, and the only way to frame that is that @redtail hawk chose to misrepresent what I said and how I feel.  I can't say why, but certainly can say that in person, had he done that, it's as simple as saying "You're full of ^&%&, I said nothing of the sort".   On the internet, people can take the easy road and just move on.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I had a series of conversations about the shaman, the riot in general and the punishment meted out.  I made no attempts to "justify" 1/6, and the only way to frame that is that @redtail hawk chose to misrepresent what I said and how I feel.  I can't say why, but certainly can say that in person, had he done that, it's as simple as saying "You're full of ^&%&, I said nothing of the sort".   On the internet, people can take the easy road and just move on.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

@redtail hawk - I didn’t realize you logged in as Leo. How dare you misrepresent his own comments.
 

In typical cult fashion - it is always someone else's fault. 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

41 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

things don't happen in a vacuum, and that context matters in a hyper-politicized environment.

here, I'll bold it if that helps.  What was your purpose in making that statement.  Is citing supposedly mitigating circumstance not an attempt at justification, at least in part?

Edited March 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

I support what you are saying in this post.

Only 1 issue, invasion of congress and who helped plan and support it.

The rest is bullpoop.

 

With all due respect, having Congress produce a television show that flat out lies to the American public in order to advance a narrative aimed at castrating their political opponents is hardly nothing. 
 

This thing makes Trump’s phone call to the President of Ukraine look like a preschool production. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With all due respect, having Congress produce a television show that flat out lies to the American public in order to advance a narrative aimed at castrating their political opponents is hardly nothing. 
 

This thing makes Trump’s phone call to the President of Ukraine look like a preschool production. 

Tucker loves you

[BillsFanNC]

31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It's interesting that when I respond to your posts, which seemingly spin off in directions that are difficult to follow, you respond back with gibberish befitting a BillSy post.   Over the last few days,  it's been eggs, baskets, concrete walls, the national pulse after teh 1980 Olympic hockey game, and a triple lindy time travel to 1/6/2020 as if there was nothing that happened in the intervening 40 years.  

 

You're lying about my take on 1/6, there's no reason for that other than to change the subject.   That's yours prerogative, but it's fairly obvious that when confronted by your own hypocrisy, you run.  

 

 

 

@redtail hawk uses deflection tactics constantly? 

 

You're kidding me.

[BillStime]

 

 

[Doc]

53 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

There is absolutely no way to justify what happened on Jan 6.  But feel free to continue your flimsy attempts.

 

The silver lining is that the R party is effectively split right now..NH and Arkansas governors both recently spoke against trump's candidacy.  McConnell and a handful of other powerful R's rebuked Ole Tuck and Fox and the usual suspects applauded him.  Good stuff if you r a D

 

No one is justifying it.  We're saying it was shameful, but don't make it out to be something it wasn't.

Edited March 8, 2023 by Doc

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No one is justifying it.  We're saying it was shameful, but don't make it out to be something it wasn't.

When did something like that happen at the United States Capitol? 

[Niagara Bill]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With all due respect, having Congress produce a television show that flat out lies to the American public in order to advance a narrative aimed at castrating their political opponents is hardly nothing. 
 

This thing makes Trump’s phone call to the President of Ukraine look like a preschool production. 

Of course it is not nothing, but a Pres encouraged the invasion of congress and other supported it. First story first.

Yes, the committee is terrible but expected in this political climate. You knew where this was heading, just like you knew that RoevWade would be an issue when Supreme Court members were approved...politics.

BUT,, Trump went against his country, all parties, all citizens