GunnerBill Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 We did actually change coaches the year Kansas City hired Reid. He made it abundently clear at the time he would not interview here. Ralph was still alive and we were just about the least attractive prospect in the league. Andy is a great coach. He is the best offensive playcaller in football (maybe in the history of football). But he was the poster boy for "can't get it done in the playoffs". His coaching (especially time management) was directly responsible for multiple playoff meltdowns in Philly and even pre-Mahomes in KC (who can forget the 38-10 lead that turned into defeat in Indy? Or losing to Marcus Mariota?) 1 Superbowl appearance in 19 years. Then give him Mahomes? 3 in 5 years with two wins. I know the response will be "McDermott is 0 for 5 with Josh" and that of course is correct. He is 0 for 3 with an elite level QB. Of course McDermott isn't as good as Andy Reid. But even Andy Reid had his playoff skeletons in the closet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Einstein said: The halftime adjustment he made to torment the Philly defense will go down in the history books. Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP award. Reid does. Did you see the last 2 TD passes? How perfectly scripted those were? How wide open he got the pass catcher on BOTH occasions? How Mahomes only had to not screw it up? You guys can all talk about McD’s regular season success. But I envy the Chiefs playoff and Super Bowl success. They even traded a HOF WR and STILL won the SB the next year. Eagles o-line dominated. Reid still won. Mahomes got hurt. Reid still won. No excuses for Reid. Just success. The funny thing is that for most of his career, Andy Reid was the guy who "couldn't get it done." McDermott is a weak link in the Bills chain. Someone just calculated that Sean Payton, alone, is worth 1 full win per season for Denver a HC. I would suggest McDermott is a MINUS ONE per season. He'll lose you a game (or 2) per season through inept coaching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 hours ago, FireChans said: The Chiefs were drafting 27th when Mahomes was taken. That’s my point. Having Reid would not mean our franchise would have had the same trajectory as the chiefs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Andy Reid is 64 McDermott is 48 Give him 16 years and I'm confident he will have two. Reid got his first at 60 after he was a HC for 19 years. All of you need to calm down about these comparisons. McDermott needs to be this team's coach. There is no better coach for this team right now. McDermott was a playoff coach his first year here without Josh Allen ending a 17 year drought. Funny how most don't remember that. Let's stop with trying to run our coaches out of town. This team and coaching staff will win it all soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Usually I roll my eyes at the half time adjustment comments but in the SB you have an extended time to put more work into it. Generally adjustments happen continually not magically at halftime like gets thrown around all the time. That is why guys have tablets and talk with the coaches between drives which can be just as much time as a typical halftime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Einstein said: The halftime adjustment he made to torment the Philly defense will go down in the history books. Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP award. Reid does. Did you see the last 2 TD passes? How perfectly scripted those were? How wide open he got the pass catcher on BOTH occasions? How Mahomes only had to not screw it up? You guys can all talk about McD’s regular season success. But I envy the Chiefs playoff and Super Bowl success. They even traded a HOF WR and STILL won the SB the next year. Eagles o-line dominated. Reid still won. Mahomes got hurt. Reid still won. No excuses for Reid. Just success. At least one, I love how is he aggressive on both sides of the football. Look how many times they blitz on defence? He does not coach not to lose, Sean keeping Frazier will forever keep this team down come playoff time. Reid himself fired Sean because he was too conservative as DC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Einstein said: The halftime adjustment he made to torment the Philly defense will go down in the history books. Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP award. Reid does. Did you see the last 2 TD passes? How perfectly scripted those were? How wide open he got the pass catcher on BOTH occasions? How Mahomes only had to not screw it up? You guys can all talk about McD’s regular season success. But I envy the Chiefs playoff and Super Bowl success. They even traded a HOF WR and STILL won the SB the next year. Eagles o-line dominated. Reid still won. Mahomes got hurt. Reid still won. No excuses for Reid. Just success. Sean is the new Marvin Lewis, great regular seasons and then flat come playoff time. Unless he changes his thinking on the defensive side of the ball then it will be tough come playoff time with Mahomes/Burrows in the AFC. I also think Beane needs to start investing more into speed, you cannot teach speed. Stop drafting high motor unsized guys with average speed, Terrel Bernard is a another classic example. 3rd rounder who is small with average speed, did he even play this season? Looks like another reach and potential bust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, Einstein said: No doubt that Mahomes is a stud. But he did NOTHING tonight that Allen can’t do. Absolutely nothing. But he has Reid. And Allen doesn’t. He didn’t turn the ball over. And yes, their pass catchers are schemed open but he puts the ball on them every time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Reid-Spagnuolo-Bieniemy >>>>>>> McDermott, Frazier, Dorsey Chiefs OL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bills OL These are the two main reasons why Mahomes has 2 and Allen has 0. Taking nothing away from Mahomes as he is the best QB in the league but coaching and OL give him a big advantage. Are the Chiefs really that much better than the Bills. Their D played better than the Bills D in these playoffs. But are they really more talented. At the skill positions on offense, they have one elite level threat in Kelce. We have Diggs. Pacheco is probably better than an RB we have but is it that big of a difference. Coaching and OL are the main reasons why Mahomes was able to lead his team to two Super Bowls while Allen hasn't. IMHO Congrats to the Chiefs. They are the best team in football, and they proved it last night. So, what are the odds the Bills will kick off the season at KC for the opening game. The Bills play at KC (AGAIN) and the Chiefs will open the season at home on TNF for the first game of the year. So, it is possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repulsif Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The funny thing is that for most of his career, Andy Reid was the guy who "couldn't get it done." McDermott is a weak link in the Bills chain. Someone just calculated that Sean Payton, alone, is worth 1 full win per season for Denver a HC. I would suggest McDermott is a MINUS ONE per season. He'll lose you a game (or 2) per season through inept coaching. and unfortunately those minus one generally happen in playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 37 minutes ago, Airseven said: He didn’t turn the ball over. And yes, their pass catchers are schemed open but he puts the ball on them every time. No he has some real garbage throws too. He was just behind Allen in INT’s this year and would have been ahead of him if he didn’t have 4 interceptions taken back due to penalty. Mahomes is great, but he did nothing last night that Allen couldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Chiefs redzone playcalling, players wide open at 5 yd line. Bills redzone playcalling, roll out Allen and hope he makes a play before running out of bounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Having imaginative offensive play calling is a tremendous advantage in the NFL today. The HC having a real connection to that side of the ball is preferable but not an absolute must. The key is, when evaluating the HCs overall influence on the team, if he’s not an offensive guru does he have a real positive defensive influence on the team. With us, the coach has not put his mark on the way our seasons end in a positive way. He’s been out coached by Reid and Taylor the last 3 seasons and “13 seconds “ was a historic choke job. The players respect and play hard for Sean but to get a championship, it’s not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: We did actually change coaches the year Kansas City hired Reid. He made it abundently clear at the time he would not interview here. Ralph was still alive and we were just about the least attractive prospect in the league. Andy is a great coach. He is the best offensive playcaller in football (maybe in the history of football). But he was the poster boy for "can't get it done in the playoffs". His coaching (especially time management) was directly responsible for multiple playoff meltdowns in Philly and even pre-Mahomes in KC (who can forget the 38-10 lead that turned into defeat in Indy? Or losing to Marcus Mariota?) 1 Superbowl appearance in 19 years. Then give him Mahomes? 3 in 5 years with two wins. I know the response will be "McDermott is 0 for 5 with Josh" and that of course is correct. He is 0 for 3 with an elite level QB. Of course McDermott isn't as good as Andy Reid. But even Andy Reid had his playoff skeletons in the closet. All true. Nice post Gunner. Just now, Eastport bills said: Having imaginative offensive play calling is a tremendous advantage in the NFL today. The HC having a real connection to that side of the ball is preferable but not an absolute must. The key is, when evaluating the HCs overall influence on the team, if he’s not an offensive guru does he have a real positive defensive influence on the team. With us, the coach has not put his mark on the way our seasons end in a positive way. He’s been out coached by Reid and Taylor the last 3 seasons and “13 seconds “ was a historic choke job. The players respect and play hard for Sean but to get a championship, it’s not enough. Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 If the biggest two letter word in the dictionary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The funny thing is that for most of his career, Andy Reid was the guy who "couldn't get it done." McDermott is a weak link in the Bills chain. Someone just calculated that Sean Payton, alone, is worth 1 full win per season for Denver a HC. I would suggest McDermott is a MINUS ONE per season. He'll lose you a game (or 2) per season through inept coaching. Pretty harsh but I don't disagree. To be honest, I'm ready to move on from the Bills coaching staff. That includes McD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Andy is a great coach. He is the best offensive playcaller in football (maybe in the history of football). But he was the poster boy for "can't get it done in the playoffs". True, but more like “can’t get it done in the Super Bowl”. Which is an upgrade over “can’t even make the Super Bowl”. Sean McDermott just finished year 6 with the Bills. By the end of year 6 in Reid’s head coaching career, he had already coached in a Super Bowl. He also brought Alex Smith to the AFCCG. 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: 1 Superbowl appearance in 19 years. Then give him Mahomes? 3 in 5 years with two wins. Do you recall any plays last night that Mahomes made that Allen couldn’t? Mahomes had around 140 yards passing going into the fourth quarter. His TD’s we’re scripted plays to receivers with no defender within 10 yards of them. 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I know the response will be "McDermott is 0 for 5 with Josh" and that of course is correct. He is 0 for 3 with an elite level QB. Yep. 1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said: Andy Reid is 64 McDermott is 48 Reid head coached his first Super Bowl at 46. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 the adjustment to run up the gut for what seemed like 10 yards every first down in the second half won the game for KC. KC changed what was not working and Philly did not. our coaches are on record saying they don't adjust, they have jumped the shark from dedicated and "process" focused to arrogant and frozen. 13 seconds and not practicing prior to the cinci game so the team could make heart symbols w their hands on tictok are two things no super bowl winning coach has ever done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 37 minutes ago, Gregg said: Reid-Spagnuolo-Bieniemy >>>>>>> McDermott, Frazier, Dorsey Chiefs OL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bills OL These are the two main reasons why Mahomes has 2 and Allen has 0. Taking nothing away from Mahomes as he is the best QB in the league but coaching and OL give him a big advantage. Are the Chiefs really that much better than the Bills. Their D played better than the Bills D in these playoffs. But are they really more talented. At the skill positions on offense, they have one elite level threat in Kelce. We have Diggs. Pacheco is probably better than an RB we have but is it that big of a difference. Coaching and OL are the main reasons why Mahomes was able to lead his team to two Super Bowls while Allen hasn't. IMHO Congrats to the Chiefs. They are the best team in football, and they proved it last night. So, what are the odds the Bills will kick off the season at KC for the opening game. The Bills play at KC (AGAIN) and the Chiefs will open the season at home on TNF for the first game of the year. So, it is possible. Coaching matters and the Bills are running it back with the current coaches. Shameful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Maybe a downtown rally to send a message to McBeane is in order? If that don't work, we breakout the billboards next year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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