Big Turk Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) Here we go again...Frazier apparently a candidate for every HC job but always gets passed over for a young offensive coach it seems... Given +1600 odds to become next Bronco coach...Payton odds on favorite at +400 but that doesn't make any sense to me...complete scheme mismatch with Wilson. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bills-leslie-frazier-early-odds-171551834.html Edited December 28, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Here we go again...Frazier apparently a candidate for every HC job but always gets passed over for a young offensive coach it seems... Given +1600 odds to become next Bronco coach...Payton odds on favorite at +400 but that doesn't make any sense to me...complete scheme mismatch with Wilson. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bills-leslie-frazier-early-odds-171551834.html Can you say more about the "complete scheme mismatch with Wilson"? That's intriguing. Not because I disagree, but because I love to read about schemes and player fits. And also because Payton has helped a number of very different QBs perform at their best over the years. Edited December 28, 2022 by Richard Noggin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 No way they hire a defensive coach with Wilson having the problems he is having. They have to salvage that somehow as they cannot get out of that contract anytime soon. 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 He’s a default candidate since Denver went young, novice, and offensive with Hackett and trends suggest they’ll flip the script this time around. I hope he is interviewed with genuine interest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: No way they hire a defensive coach with Wilson having the problems he is having. They have to salvage that somehow as they cannot get out of that contract anytime soon. If a defensive coach, they’d hire an experienced OC perhaps with connections to Wilson or a Shanahan disciple. It could accomplish the same goal and streamline communication with Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Broncos need an offensive savant to fix Wilson. That’s not Frazier : -/ NEXT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Frazier gets one more shot at a HC gig. Outside of the 3 gigs open, there are another 20 or so teams that would fire their current coach and hire Payton if he told them he wanted to be there. Why on earth either of those two guys would take the Denver job is beyond me. That has to be just as bad as the last few Houston openings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 New ownership likely wants to make a splash. Payton’s the shiny new toy they surely desire. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 They literally just had the exact same type of coach in Fangio— who did an excellent job. They had no QB, and that did him in. But i would argue that had they kept Fangio and given him even a serviceable QB (like a Mayfield or Trubisky), that was a playoff team. Instead, he got Drew Lock for three years! 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 I like Frazier and wouldn't be very happy to lose him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: New ownership likely wants to make a splash. Payton’s the shiny new toy they surely desire. And they have the one piece a HC needs to be successful, a proven QB. It’s a shame they squandered so much draft capital and cap space. Digging out of that mess will be a chore. Nice to have options as a well regarded Head Coach in the NFL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Doesn't feel like a great job to take, but how much picking choosing is he able/feel he can do at this point in his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Augie said: And they have the one piece a HC needs to be successful, a proven QB. It’s a shame they squandered so much draft capital and cap space. Digging out of that mess will be a chore. Nice to have options as a well regarded Head Coach in the NFL. I am not sure if this is sarcastic or not. We’ve been hearing whispers of what a douche Russ is in Seattle for a bit now. Now he’s calling Seattle plays at the Denver line of scrimmage. The Denver job seems like a giant mess. I would stay far far away if I was serious about being a HC. Just now, Warcodered said: Doesn't feel like a great job to take, but how much picking choosing is he able/feel he can do at this point in his career. I agree with you. Also, how much does he actually need to be a HC at this point in his career? Why? To be in charge? Win a Super Bowl? Money? He’s 63 and the DC of a consistently top flight defense and in the mix for the SB the last few years. I don’t get what Denver offers somebody like Frazier. It seems like a miserable position for anybody well established in the league. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Frazier makes sense because it allows you to hire that hotshot OC to “fix” Wilson and it insulates that coach from all the pressure. Nobody aside from a Payton or Sean McVay is going to be able to fix Wilson and run a team. It’s essentially the Bills model. McDermott was hired to oversee the whole thing and Daboll was hired to make Josh Allen happen. He was able to focus all his time and attention on the QB without worrying about head coach duties. You bring in Frazier who gets you instant credibility to fix the franchise and let the OC fix the QB. Frazier did fire Darell Bevell in Minnesota as the scapegoat, but Bevell makes a ton of sense as he made Wilson the guy. Wilson was his project. Perhaps an Alex Van Pelt makes sense as the OC from that Shannahan tree. I know he is the OC with the Browns but he doesn’t call plays. I think, outside of getting Payton, a Frazier makes a ton of sense for the Broncos. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 I wonder if Frazier's age (63) has anything to do with teams' reluctance to hire him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Nothing to add other than I’m so glad we don’t have to go through this process every 2-3 years anymore. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, chongli said: I wonder if Frazier's age (63) has anything to do with teams' reluctance to hire him? That’s my age. It makes me reluctant to get out of bed in the morning. He’s certainly a bright man and and effective coach worth an interview, but I see most teams leaning to younger and offensive guys who can be there a decade or two. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, chongli said: I wonder if Frazier's age (63) has anything to do with teams' reluctance to hire him? I think it is just the reluctance to hire retreads. It seems people want to hire the young guy around the league. But for a franchise that needs stability, Frazier is a great fit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 They’ll hire a young offensive guru type. No issues with Denver D. Their offense is pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Augie said: That’s my age. It makes me reluctant to get out of bed in the morning. He’s certainly a bright man and and effective coach worth an interview, but I see most teams leaning to younger and offensive guys who can be there a decade or two. 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think it is just the reluctance to hire retreads. It seems people want to hire the young guy around the league. But for a franchise that needs stability, Frazier is a great fit. Thanks. Yeah, nothing wrong with being past middle-age (I am), but there is so much unconscious age-discrimination going on in society that I thought of that. It's a message that is enforced unknowingly through our media. I hope it's not the case with Frazier, but I suspect that it is a big part. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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