schoolhouserock Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 The whining about Cole’s signing… The over-sensitivity to whining… Both sides are exhausting. Definitely a very different thread than when Brown was brought back. I hope Cole has enough in the tank for a few clutch first down grabs. That might be all the Bills need to win the big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesop Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) So glad Beas is back. Has such a great connection with 17 over the middle. Plus he was money on 3rd downs. Gettin the gang back together for the SB. Edited December 13, 2022 by Aesop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I also watch the games. A chip before route counts as a route doesn’t it. ooo I agree Josh isn’t seeing things well. That still doesn’t take away from the trash OL though. They don’t get a pass because Josh isn’t seeing the field well therefore cannot cover up the immediate Spencer Brown turnstile block. RB's and TE's who chip aren't capable of being quality pass catchers? I am not giving a pass to the OL. I am not saying he doesn't have blocking responsibilities. But yours and others assertion that Knox isn't effective in the passing game because of "blocking" is waaaaaay overblow. Based on the numbers of routes run, and time spent lining up our wide, he isn't effective as a pass catcher because of the QB not because of lack of opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said: The whining about Cole’s signing… The over-sensitivity to whining… Both sides are exhausting. Definitely a very different thread than when Brown was brought back. I hope Cole has enough in the tank for a few clutch first down grabs. That might be all the Bills need to win the big one. I find it quite refreshing since everyone on TBD gets along so well. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I also watch the games. A chip before route counts as a route doesn’t it. ooo I agree Josh isn’t seeing things well. That still doesn’t take away from the trash OL though. They don’t get a pass because Josh isn’t seeing the field well therefore cannot cover up the immediate Spencer Brown turnstile block. I look at it this way. When was the last time we saw Josh stand in the pocket, flat-footed and unmolested, and unleash a rope in the middle of the field? It’s been awhile. He’s under too much duress. Some of this is scheme (can’t throw it at somebody’s back, and maybe a couple of boots, rollouts, or an effective screen game to get the DL moving side to side and running around a bit might help), but most of it is poor OL play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mango said: RB's and TE's who chip aren't capable of being quality pass catchers? I am not giving a pass to the OL. I am not saying he doesn't have blocking responsibilities. But yours and others assertion that Knox isn't effective in the passing game because of "blocking" is waaaaaay overblow. Based on the numbers of routes run, and time spent lining up our wide, he isn't effective as a pass catcher because of the QB not because of lack of opportunity. And I also acknowledged josh being part of the issue with Knox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I’m not “touching the money” here because we are Bills fans and we can’t ever have anything nice….but IF/When we get this thing….it’d be great for Beasley and Brown to be on that team. They were a part of this thing turning around and if we get a ring they should be there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 My expectations are not very high but I don’t hate kicking the tires so to speak. Much like the Brown signing you are just taking a shot even if it is a long shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mango said: I was at the game Sunday, so when I go I re-watch later in the week because you miss so much live. I saw the condensed game yesterday and got through half the all-22 this AM before work and there are some plays Josh keeps alive by being Josh. But man, he really has been forcing so many tough throws. He ended two drives in Q1 by literally throwing away to balls rather than hitting Cook or Hines who were both open underneath. Protection was particularly bad Sunday, but he didn't do himself a lot of favors. He is the most talented QB in the league, and I think that causes him to try and do too much at times. I have been waiting for him to pull himself out and have a "get right game" and he just hasn't been able to. I am assuming he knows this too and that is why he specifically asked for Brown and Beasley to come back. We see a receiver open and fail to understand that at that same time Josh is getting out of collapsing pocket, or juklng a blitzer in an effort to extend the play. There are many moving parts and all of them are important towards making the offense flow. I think Josh makes up for a helluva lot of the deficiencies but there is absolutely a limit to how much he can make up for. A degree of deficiency in the Oline and a degree of deficiency in the WRs and a degree of deficiency in the coordinator, all add up. Add to this Josh's elbow injury and we've got what we've got. Josh has probably reached the limit to what he can do, to make up for the degrees of deficiencies this offense is experiencing. He needs some help. He needs more help than what he's getting from the OL and other skill players. If the Oline can limit the sacks/rushes by a couple of game; if Josh can throw a better pass a couple times each game; if the WRs can limit the drops by a couple a game, I think we see a much more proficient offense than we've been seeing. I think there's a hope Beas can help towards this goal. He and Josh have a relationship, he knows the offense, I think it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: McKenzie is my only disappointment. And as you note, to some extent Davis, but he plays a vastly different spot. Cook, Hines, and Shakir I put on the coaching staff. No reason that NONE of those guys can be performing better. ONE of them should be coachable. McKenzie wasn't ready for full time slot duties. He isn't that type of player. He is a gadget 4th WR that comes in and makes that crucial specially designed at for a first down. People label him a gadget player like it's a bad thing. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I look at it this way. When was the last time we saw Josh stand in the pocket, flat-footed and unmolested, and unleash a rope in the middle of the field? It’s been awhile. He’s under too much duress. Some of this is scheme (can’t throw it at somebody’s back, and maybe a couple of boots, rollouts, or an effective screen game to get the DL moving side to side and running around a bit might help), but most of it is poor OL play. And their answer will be more one year deals for players previously cut. Because you know will need to have more DL and defense again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I've never seen a player more ridiculed for standing up for his personal beliefs. I just don't understand. Don't agree with his views on things? Who the heck cares! People should be able to live their lives not having random people yelling at them because they feel a different way about something. Makes no sense and it's just stupid. As for the move itself, we'll see what happens. The guy definitely doesn't have the same juice he had a couple years ago. But the fact is, he may not need to in order to help this team. If it's 3rd or 4th and 2 and he catches the ball and falls down for 2 or 3 yards and moves the chains, that is an upgrade to someone open 15 yards down the field that drops the ball more often than they catch it. Sure, it won't look pretty, but even 1-2 new sets of downs during a game could make a huge impact on the results of a game. There's literally no harm in trying this out. Worst case is that it doesn't work out and the guy can't play. No different than the current guys on this team dropping passes in important situations. Best case is that he comes in in certain situations and either makes a play himself or draws enough attention to make it easier on someone else to make a play. Sounds like we will find out soon enough. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, boyst said: McKenzie wasn't ready for full time slot duties. He isn't that type of player. He is a gadget 4th WR that comes in and makes that crucial specially designed at for a first down. People label him a gadget player like it's a bad thing. This. McKenzie isn't a bad player. McKenzie is a bad starting slot wide receiver in a pass heavy offense. No reason why he can't help us, now, as WR4 and in the gadget role. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, SCBills said: This. McKenzie isn't a bad player. McKenzie is a bad starting slot wide receiver in a pass heavy offense. No reason why he can't help us, now, as WR4 and in the gadget role. Does Dorsey have those plays in the playbook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: This. McKenzie isn't a bad player. McKenzie is a bad starting slot wide receiver in a pass heavy offense. No reason why he can't help us, now, as WR4 and in the gadget role. He's not a bad slot receiver. He's in a bad scheme to his strengths. There aren't many teams that could use him. You'd need a good TE to help put someone else in the slot to draw your coverage from a LB in the seam. The Ravens would be a good fit. Or you'd need a RB that makes the other team avoid nickel and dime all of the time to use a 11 package where both are respected but they can run. The Browns are an example. McKenzie would be good there . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I'm all for Bease coming back. Should open up the middle of the field again. As much as they've failed to address WR in the offseason, it seems they're going all in on trying to patch it up - even if that means bringing in a guy that I'm sure isn't on the top of McD's "fav Lockeroom guys" list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Well they have tried... Hopefully we get it right next year. WR: Davis - 4th round Hodgins - 6th round Stevenson - 6th round Shakir - 5th round Free agents and trades: Brown, Beasley, Crowder, Sanders, Benjamin, McK RB: Singletary - 3rd round Moss - 3rd round Cook - 2nd round Free agents and trades: Hines, Johnson, Breida, Yeldon 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said: I'm all for Bease coming back. Should open up the middle of the field again. As much as they've failed to address WR in the offseason, it seems they're going all in on trying to patch it up - even if that means bringing in a guy that I'm sure isn't on the top of McD's "fav Lockeroom guys" list. Who else is available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, HOUSE said: They made a mistake, Beasley was most likely looking for a bigger deal in the off season. But that's what makes it not a mistake. It certainly appears to have centered on a disagreement over salary. And it's safe to say they got both Brown and Beas back at significantly less than the $6M-$8M that it was originally going to take to retain either of them. Add to that they get them back mid-season, healthy, and without the wear and tear of 13 games that erodes the older players. The original poster who was trying to frame this as some type of Beane mistake is on a Beane haterade crusade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, ngbills said: Well they have tried... Hopefully we get it right next year. WR: Davis - 4th round Hodgins - 6th round Stevenson - 6th round Shakir - 5th round Free agents and trades: Brown, Beasley, Crowder, Sanders, Benjamin, McK RB: Singletary - 3rd round Moss - 3rd round Cook - 2nd round Free agents and trades: Hines, Johnson, Breida, Yeldon Now do the defense for comparison. Maybe it is time to look for offense before the 3rd round 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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