Leslie Frazier will reportedly get strong consideration for a HC job in next NFL hiring cycle

[Big Blitz]

Jobs likely to be open in order:

 

Texans (no doubter an OC is going here)

Colts

Broncos 

Cardinals (this one will be close)

Rams (McVay may walk away)

 

 

I think that might be it.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

People here are VASTLY overrating the 13 seconds thing when it comes to other teams' decision making.  There are exactly zero GMs who would go "Well this guy's perfect but he had that one choke job."

 

The reason he won't get hired is because he's in his 60's with a bad HC stint on his record and teams are going to be on the wunderkind young coach kick more than ever after the success McDaniel is having in Miami.

 

This

[Augie]

6 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I still have a strong distaste for Frazier due to the 13 seconds. I wouldn’t mind seeing him gone. Especially if the Bills pick up a pick in the process. I always feel like Frazier’s defenses are a paper Tiger. Ranked high but fold when it really matters. 

 

What will it take to earn his way back into your good graces, Mr Redemption?   😋

 

I don’t know everything that happened on the sidelines and field during the “13 seconds”, but I’m not going to let it eat at me. It happened, it was unfortunate and it’s over. The details will never be known, and that’s fine.

 

We have a very talented and successful defense. I don’t know how much to attribute to the DC, the HC or the investment in talents. ALL of those things are factors. His age and the fact that the league leans heavily towards offense probably hold him back. 

 

One price you pay for success is that other teams want to poach your players and coaches. It’s a good sign that this is a topic, IMO. It reflects well on what we have built. 

 

 

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Edited December 8, 2022 by Augie

[Mikie2times]

This is McD's defense, I don't know why people think we would change how we play all that much if Frazier left. Sure McD doesn't call the plays, but the system? That's who he is. It might also be who Frazier is, but either way, it's not one that typically dictates opponent play with pressure. It is more death by a thousand cuts to beat us. Which seems like a style more teams are flashing, especially vs better QB's. It seems to frustrate better QB's when they don't get the chunk plays (sound familiar?). Maybe our system is the best defensive system to play in today's NFL even if I really don't care for it. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

This is McD's defense, I don't know why people think we would change how we play all that much if Frazier left. Sure McD doesn't call the plays, but the system? That's who he is. It might also be who Frazier is, but either way, it's not one that typically dictates opponent play with pressure. It is more death by a thousand cuts to beat us. Which seems like a style more teams are flashing, especially vs better QB's. It seems to frustrate better QB's when they don't get the chunk plays (sound familiar?). Maybe our system is the best defensive system to play in today's NFL even if I really don't care for it. 

 

It totally is. And most who don't like it don't like it for reasons of personal preference.

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Jobs likely to be open in order:

 

Texans (no doubter an OC is going here)

Colts

Broncos 

Cardinals (this one will be close)

Rams (McVay may walk away)

 

 

I think that might be it.  

If McVay walks away and the Bills don't win the super bowl this year, someone really needs to think about the potential of a McVay - Allen pairing. 

[BillsNutHawaii]

Hmmmmm.....

 

"Strong consideration behind the scenes....."  = Good

"Good ole-boy network." = Bad

 

We all know the elephant in the room here.  To me, the whole thing just wreaks of a rigged process.  This is the kind of thing that just drives me away from the sport.  

[Maynard]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This

I don’t know. Better sentences would have been better.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

As he should. He's been great here, just terrific.

 

He'll be hard to replace. Not impossible, but he has been a terrific fit.

 

Good for him!!!!

 

EDIT: People think the 0:13 thing is going to hurt him? That's nuts. Being beaten by Mahomes playing at his absolute best isn't something teams blame defenses for, anymore than is being beaten by Allen. A player has already admitted the right call was made and he played the wrong spacing, creating the big play. Won't hurt Frazier at all. His age might.

Edited December 9, 2022 by Thurman#1

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I feel like the Houston playoff  loss was more execution than coaching… TONS of missed tackles that game. 

We has a 16-0 lead midway thru that 3rd quarter and right on schedule our D got gassed and abused.  The one thing about the bend don't break defense.  As they're bending, they're tiring out.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

If there is a different direction on D then McDermott has abandoned his stated defensive principles.   He and Frazier come from the same defensive hive mind:  DL pass rush of 4 that gets pressure and use a rotation of them.  Zone for the most part in the back 7.  Frazier is there, in part, for that reason.  If he’s gone guess what the next DC will most likely run.  
 

McDermott isn’t all of sudden changing his mind on the defense he believes in.

 

 

Totally agree. As long as McD is in Buffalo, whoever his DC is will run the exact system he wants. I'm just hoping (maybe naively) that the new DC might be allowed to add a few new wrinkles. 

[3rdnlng]

I haven't read this whole thread but it has always bothered me that people think that just because someone is a good coordinator they would make a good head coach. The jobs and specific responsibilities are different and because someone is good at drawing up game plans and calling plays on game day it doesn't mean that they can lead a team and make decisions with the big picture in mind. 

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

That would be great.

 

The Bills would get to replace a coach that may have held them down and he would get a promotion.

 

That's the definition of a win-win situation.

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, KzooMike said:

This is McD's defense, I don't know why people think we would change how we play all that much if Frazier left. Sure McD doesn't call the plays, but the system? That's who he is. It might also be who Frazier is, but either way, it's not one that typically dictates opponent play with pressure. It is more death by a thousand cuts to beat us. Which seems like a style more teams are flashing, especially vs better QB's. It seems to frustrate better QB's when they don't get the chunk plays (sound familiar?). Maybe our system is the best defensive system to play in today's NFL even if I really don't care for it. 

 

Yes, it's McD's defense.  And on one hand, any schematic contribution Frazier was going to make to this D, he's probably already made.  McD has learned everything he could learn from Frazier.  It might be interesting/beneficial to hire a new DC who will bring fresh ideas.  

 

On the other hand, it might be mostly McD's defense, but Frazier runs it on a daily basis.  He supervises the film study, the position group meetings, the scheme sessions, the walk-thrus and so on.  And he makes the calls on gameday.  By and large, by all accounts, he does those tasks well.  He's been a good right-hand man to McD.  

 

For his sake, I hope he gets a chance to be a HC again.  But I'm not sure that's the best scenario for our sake.   

[Don Otreply]

Song consideration is what he gets every year, but that’s as far as it seems to go, maybe this time is the his moment, maybe not.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Bring back Schwartz

 

 

14 hours ago, Special K said:

If he does get one, the Bills get an extra 3rd round pick.

 

Edit: 2 3rd round picks!

 

Hope he goes then, we'll be just fine with McDermott

 

 

14 hours ago, Sgt. Ski said:

Hope we can get swartz back.

 

Much more aggressive and good against the run

 

 

Wide 9 is better for fast pass rushers as well

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We has a 16-0 lead midway thru that 3rd quarter and right on schedule our D got gassed and abused.  The one thing about the bend don't break defense.  As they're bending, they're tiring out.

 

And the offense threw up on itself and turned the ball over.

[billsbackto81]

13 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

I'm okay with Matt Patricia coming here as our DC if Frazier leaves.

Dude! 

 

Haven't you heard?

 

He's an Offensive Coordinator now. 😂😂😂

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And the offense threw up on itself and turned the ball over.

Yes, the offense did turn the ball over once in the 2nd half.

 

meanwhile, the defense allowed Watson to complete 80% of his passes that day.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Yes, the offense did turn the ball over once in the 2nd half.

 

meanwhile, the defense allowed Watson to complete 80% of his passes that day.

 

You are not winning many road playoff games in this era with 19 points. That is the sad truth. The defense missed some chances to make plays that hurt, no question. But they were playing a top Quarterback on the road and gave up 22. I have a hard time pinning that loss on defense.