OL Pass blocking was terrible times vs. NE & Drops - But a comfortable win

[Billsfan1972]

Way too many threads so two quick observations.

 

I seldom pay close attention, but yesterday the pass blocking seemed terrible at times with the strip fumble being one of many whiffs yesterday (and a holding penalty that cost the Bills 7).  Got to clean that up.

 

And the Bills must have dropped 5 passes minimum last night (Knox, Singletary, Gabe & even Diggs).

 

See both Davis & Diggs @ 6 drops (though Davis has a 10% drop rate).

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving_advanced.htm

 

Love Diggs, but there have been times I've seen him mistime some leaps and drop catchable balls.  Yesterday a 20 yarder on 3rd down and one that was not talked about enough with 4 minutes to go vs. Minnesota on 3rd down the exact same type of pass that forced a punt and all contributed to the end of that game.

 

Can't do that when games are on the line and as the playoffs approach.  

Edited December 2, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Orlando Tim]

Dawkins being healthy is imperative for our offense, but I still appreciate Quiz going out and cutting it out because the dude was in pain and I bet would have been sitting if they had another body. 

[GunnerBill]

The Diggs drop yesterday he slipped as he went to catch it. His feet just went from under him. Our guys seemed to slip a lot yesterday. 

3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Dawkins being healthy is imperative for our offense, but I still appreciate Quiz going out and cutting it out because the dude was in pain and I bet would have been sitting if they had another body. 

 

Yep. Our offensive line goes as Dion goes. It has been true for the last 3 seasons. When he plays well, the line looks good I think in part because Josh can then just trust his blindside and move around other rushers if needed. When Dion is out or struggles and they come from everywhere even Josh Allen can't escape everything. 

 

But also agree on Quess. He came up limping from the first play. And yes he struggled but he just kept putting himself out there for the team. Hell of a tough dude and unfair to judge him on his performance on one leg last night. 

[Rc2catch]

The pass blocking was so bad to start it kind of forced them into running more. Which was a good thing. Once the offense got some balance though I felt like they did a much better job. Obvious passing downs were brutal still. 

[Billsfan1972]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The Diggs drop yesterday he slipped as he went to catch it. His feet just went from under him. Our guys seemed to slip a lot yesterday. 

 

Yep. Our offensive line goes as Dion goes. It has been true for the last 3 seasons. When he plays well, the line looks good I think in part because Josh can then just trust his blindside and move around other rushers if needed. When Dion is out or struggles and they come from everywhere even Josh Allen can't escape everything. 

 

But also agree on Quess. He came up limping from the first play. And yes he struggled but he just kept putting himself out there for the team. Hell of a tough dude and unfair to judge him on his performance on one leg last night. 

Still was a drop.  Yep it happens, but reminded me of the one vs. Minny, which to me cost them the game (would have been 1st down on the 40/45 yard line and then they need one more first down and the game is over).

 

3rd & 15 at BUF 23

(3:40 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Allen pass incomplete deep left to S.Diggs (H.Smith).

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Inigo Montoya]

My 25 year old son made an observation last night during the game that rang true to me.  He said that "players on offense keep taking turns letting Josh down."  Between drops by the WRs, stupid penalties, and shoddy pass blocking Allen is forced on nearly every series to overcome some mistake by one of his teammates to get a first down and score some points.

 

He pulls a rabbit out of his hat so often that we just come to expect it and are upset when it doesn't happen.  That TD play to Gabe was ridiculous.  His ability to move around in the pocket and compensate for the bad pass blocking last night was incredible.

 

It was great to see the running game have success against a good defense last night.  Allen needs someone to step up besides Diggs, and even Diggs has had some drops the last two weeks that are uncommon for him.  Hopefully they can continue to build on the run game and keep getting healthy on defense so Josh doesn't have to turn water into wine every game.

 

This team starts and ends with Josh Allen.  There isn't another player in the NFL who is asked to do as much as he is, and he keeps finding ways to do it.  It's exciting to watch but is definitely not a recipe for long term success.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

My 25 year old son made an observation last night during the game that rang true to me.  He said that "players on offense keep taking turns letting Josh down."  Between drops by the WRs, stupid penalties, and shoddy pass blocking Allen is forced on nearly every series to overcome some mistake by one of his teammates to get a first down and score some points.

 

He pulls a rabbit out of his hat so often that we just come to expect it and are upset when it doesn't happen.  That TD play to Gabe was ridiculous.  His ability to move around in the pocket and compensate for the bad pass blocking last night was incredible.

 

It was great to see the running game have success against a good defense last night.  Allen needs someone to step up besides Diggs, and even Diggs has had some drops the last two weeks that are uncommon for him.  Hopefully they can continue to build on the run game and keep getting healthy on defense so Josh doesn't have to turn water into wine every game.

 

This team starts and ends with Josh Allen.  There isn't another player in the NFL who is asked to do as much as he is, and he keeps finding ways to do it.  It's exciting to watch but is definitely not a recipe for long term success.  

 

While in the general sense I agree... I actually think last night was one of the least Josh-centric performances of the last few years. He only had to make that one incredible Davis play. Otherwise the Bills did a good job of keeping Josh in favourable situations for the most part, the slot guys, backs and tight ends got open for the short stuff, they ran the ball well and the defense shut the other team down. 

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said:

My 25 year old son made an observation last night during the game that rang true to me.  He said that "players on offense keep taking turns letting Josh down."  Between drops by the WRs, stupid penalties, and shoddy pass blocking Allen is forced on nearly every series to overcome some mistake by one of his teammates to get a first down and score some points.

 

He pulls a rabbit out of his hat so often that we just come to expect it and are upset when it doesn't happen.  That TD play to Gabe was ridiculous.  His ability to move around in the pocket and compensate for the bad pass blocking last night was incredible.

 

It was great to see the running game have success against a good defense last night.  Allen needs someone to step up besides Diggs, and even Diggs has had some drops the last two weeks that are uncommon for him.  Hopefully they can continue to build on the run game and keep getting healthy on defense so Josh doesn't have to turn water into wine every game.

 

This team starts and ends with Josh Allen.  There isn't another player in the NFL who is asked to do as much as he is, and he keeps finding ways to do it.  It's exciting to watch but is definitely not a recipe for long term success.  

 

 

Did he notice NE had a pick six, but dropped it? Or that the team rallied around a struggling Josh the past few weeks?

Josh didn’t win this game. This was a TOTAL team win. 
 

[Billsfan1972]

7 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Did he notice NE had a pick six, but dropped it? Or that the team rallied around a struggling Josh the past few weeks?

Josh didn’t win this game. This was a TOTAL team win. 
 

And you didn't see 5 drops or whiffed blocks during pass protection????

 

Defense played well, but forced no turnovers, only 1 sack and NE too shot themselves in the foot a few times too.

 

Woohoo the Bills beat Mac Jones after big games vs. Goff & Brissett too.....    

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The Diggs drop yesterday he slipped as he went to catch it. His feet just went from under him. Our guys seemed to slip a lot yesterday. 

 

Yep. Our offensive line goes as Dion goes. It has been true for the last 3 seasons. When he plays well, the line looks good I think in part because Josh can then just trust his blindside and move around other rushers if needed. When Dion is out or struggles and they come from everywhere even Josh Allen can't escape everything. 

 

But also agree on Quess. He came up limping from the first play. And yes he struggled but he just kept putting himself out there for the team. Hell of a tough dude and unfair to judge him on his performance on one leg last night. 

He deserves an ESPY.

[Dopey]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

And you didn't see 5 drops or whiffed blocks during pass protection????

 

Defense played well, but forced no turnovers, only 1 sack and NE too shot themselves in the foot a few times too.

 

Woohoo the Bills beat Mac Jones after big games vs. Goff & Brissett too.....    

Happy Friday to you too. Did someone pee in your Flutie Flakes this morning?? You negative Nancies suck. 
I had a ton of fun watching a total team win. Josh made mistakes too. NE just didn’t capitalize. 
Got some Josh Allen jockstrap sniffers here. 

[SinceThe70s]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Way too many threads so two quick observations.

 

 

This is where I stopped reading. For a change I agree with you.

[Royale with Cheese]

Total team win last night.  Felt great to see we were clicking again.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The pass blocking wasn’t a surprise. That’s one of the best pressure defenses in the NFL. Quessenberry and Brown are terrible. Quessenberry was playing on a bad ankle that got worse.

 

Buffalo might have to start looking at the waiver wire. Bobby Hart is what we thought he was. They’re in trouble at that position. 
 

If I’m Beane I’m trying to get Eric Fisher in here.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And you didn't see 5 drops or whiffed blocks during pass protection????

 

Defense played well, but forced no turnovers, only 1 sack and NE too shot themselves in the foot a few times too.

 

Woohoo the Bills beat Mac Jones after big games vs. Goff & Brissett too.....    

 

We had a back up left tackle on one leg.  If Greg Rosseau went up against a back up tackle with one leg and didn’t beat him consistently…it would be a bad look on Rousseau.

 

Defense gave up 10 points on the road without their best pass rusher.  NE averages 20 ppg and we held them to 10…but we didn’t get any turnovers or just one sack?  WTF?  
You can’t just give them credit….always got to have a little dig somewhere.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

37 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Did he notice NE had a pick six, but dropped it? Or that the team rallied around a struggling Josh the past few weeks?

Josh didn’t win this game. This was a TOTAL team win. 
 

 

He didn't notice the "pick six" that NE dropped.  Neither did I.  He did throw a ball to Diggs into double coverage that should have been picked.  I don't think it would have been a pick six though.  One thing he did notice was defensive ends and LBs getting free rushes at Josh all night and hammering him. He also noticed a long touchdown to Diggs get taken off the board on a blatant hold by a backup TE.  He also noticed a ball bounce off Diggs hands that would have been a 1st down on a 3rd and 11.

 

Why do you think Josh has struggled the last few games?   He has had bad o-line play, a #2 WR who has disappeared, a TE #1 who is on a milk carton, and slot receivers who have have been hit and miss, and a lot more miss than hit.  When Josh has to do everything sometimes it is going to look ugly.  Sometimes he is going to have to push.  Put any other QB in that situation and there is no way they win all three of those games.

 

I agree with you and Gunner Bill that the Bills played better around him last night.  The run game was really clicking.  There were some good things that happened last night, more so than in the preceding two games.  Let's hope that continues.  Let's hope the players around Josh can continue to elevate their play to match his.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Inigo Montoya

[PatsFanNH]

36 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

My 25 year old son made an observation last night during the game that rang true to me.  He said that "players on offense keep taking turns letting Josh down."  Between drops by the WRs, stupid penalties, and shoddy pass blocking Allen is forced on nearly every series to overcome some mistake by one of his teammates to get a first down and score some points.

 

He pulls a rabbit out of his hat so often that we just come to expect it and are upset when it doesn't happen.  That TD play to Gabe was ridiculous.  His ability to move around in the pocket and compensate for the bad pass blocking last night was incredible.

 

It was great to see the running game have success against a good defense last night.  Allen needs someone to step up besides Diggs, and even Diggs has had some drops the last two weeks that are uncommon for him.  Hopefully they can continue to build on the run game and keep getting healthy on defense so Josh doesn't have to turn water into wine every game.

 

This team starts and ends with Josh Allen.  There isn't another player in the NFL who is asked to do as much as he is, and he keeps finding ways to do it.  It's exciting to watch but is definitely not a recipe for long term success.  

 

 

The play got me was the opening drive 3rd down and he is scrambling and he shovel passes it to Singletary? For the first down just before going over the line of scrimmage and he got plastered as he passed it..  I was like Damn the D can’t buy a break! Allen did amazing last night.. (still can’t believe the jump and throw for a TD..)

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Happy Friday to you too. Did someone pee in your Flutie Flakes this morning?? You negative Nancies suck. 
I had a ton of fun watching a total team win. Josh made mistakes too. NE just didn’t capitalize. 
Got some Josh Allen jockstrap sniffers here. 

The Bills I thought were sloppy at times.  

 

They gutted out two time consuming drives (one a 14 play only 56 yard drive, which if a NE fan, would have been excruciating to watch).  They had a TD called back, a strip fumble too and allowed a 2 yard pass go 45 for a TD.  Add to that, the thread highlighted some bad blocking (which I seldom notice, so when I do it means it was obvious) and drops.

 

Sorry only 24 points just is okay too.  

[Billsfan1972]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We had a back up left tackle on one leg.  If Greg Rosseau went up against a back up tackle with one leg and didn’t beat him consistently…it would be a bad look on Rousseau.

 

Defense gave up 10 points on the road without their best pass rusher.  NE averages 20 ppg and we held them to 10…but we didn’t get any turnovers or just one sack?  WTF?  
You can’t just give them credit….always got to have a little dig somewhere.

 

Whoa......  I was just making a point in response to someone else's thread.  

 

Yes only 10 points allowed however ask any NE fan and they are not impressed with NE's offense Mac Jones play (though he played well vs. Minny).

 

I know I have said it here before, listen to the ultimate Boston homer Bill Simmons (and the Ringer) and they scoff at NE's offense. 

 

BTW they scored 3 points on offense vs. NYJ. 

[Chuck Schick]

Good Lord....someone is actually finding something to complain about with Stefon Diggs after what he's produced last night and all year.  Unreal.

[Charles Romes]

An average QB would have been sacked 6-8+ times paying behind the line we had last night.  Josh gives you a chance to win when your left tackle cannot even walk. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Way too many threads   

What do you mean by this?

[AlfaBill]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Way too many threads so two quick observations.

 

I seldom pay close attention, but yesterday the pass blocking seemed terrible at times with the strip fumble being one of many whiffs yesterday (and a holding penalty that cost the Bills 7).  Got to clean that up.

 

And the Bills must have dropped 5 passes minimum last night (Knox, Singletary, Gabe & even Diggs).

 

See both Davis & Diggs @ 6 drops (though Davis has a 10% drop rate).

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving_advanced.htm

 

Love Diggs, but there have been times I've seen him mistime some leaps and drop catchable balls.  Yesterday a 20 yarder on 3rd down and one that was not talked about enough with 4 minutes to go vs. Minnesota on 3rd down the exact same type of pass that forced a punt and all contributed to the end of that game.

 

Can't do that when games are on the line and as the playoffs approach.  

Oline you can complain about

drops by everyone BUT Diggs you can complain about 

diggs? No. 

Edited December 2, 2022 by AlfaBill

[Dopey]

13 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Whoa......  I was just making a point in response to someone else's thread.  

 

Yes only 10 points allowed however ask any NE fan and they are not impressed with NE's offense Mac Jones play (though he played well vs. Minny).

 

I know I have said it here before, listen to the ultimate Boston homer Bill Simmons (and the Ringer) and they scoff at NE's offense. 

 

BTW they scored 3 points on offense vs. NYJ. 

You do you. 

[PatsFanNH]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We had a back up left tackle on one leg.  If Greg Rosseau went up against a back up tackle with one leg and didn’t beat him consistently…it would be a bad look on Rousseau.

 

Defense gave up 10 points on the road without their best pass rusher.  NE averages 20 ppg and we held them to 10…but we didn’t get any turnovers or just one sack?  WTF?  
You can’t just give them credit….always got to have a little dig somewhere.

 

Wait! You had a backup left tackle in?? The Pats had the 3rd string aka the guy they just signed off a practice squad playing RT all night last night.  a LT playing with the Flu or some kind of bug and a center who has a severely bad thigh injury..  So I guess it’s a bad look on your D Coordinator.

 

The Pats Play calling helped your D a lot. For whatever reason instead of staying to the quick passes and moving the ball down the field he went screen happy and made things very difficult. Oh and the for-mentioned O line issues negated the run game pretty much. 

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Chuck Schick said:

Good Lord....someone is actually finding something to complain about with Stefon Diggs after what he's produced last night and all year.  Unreal.

I apologize for looking at the game with a critical eye.  He has dropped 6 passes.  I wouldn't give him up for anything, but should I point out Justin Jefferson (who Minny drafted with the pick) has dropped only 2.

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Whoa......  I was just making a point in response to someone else's thread.  

 

Yes only 10 points allowed however ask any NE fan and they are not impressed with NE's offense Mac Jones play (though he played well vs. Minny).

 

I know I have said it here before, listen to the ultimate Boston homer Bill Simmons (and the Ringer) and they scoff at NE's offense. 

 

BTW they scored 3 points on offense vs. NYJ. 

 

How many points did the Patriots put on the Jets in their first meeting?  Why are you bringing up only one outcome when they played twice?

I know why and everyone on this board knows why too.  But I want to see if you can say it.

[BillzFreak]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Wait! You had a backup left tackle in?? The Pats had the 3rd string aka the guy they just signed off a practice squad playing RT all night last night.  a LT playing with the Flu or some kind of bug and a center who has a severely bad thigh injury..  So I guess it’s a bad look on your D Coordinator.

 

The Pats Play calling helped your D a lot. For whatever reason instead of staying to the quick passes and moving the ball down the field he went screen happy and made things very difficult. Oh and the for-mentioned O line issues negated the run game pretty much. 

It wouldn't of mattered if you had Andy Reid calling plays last night, you're Qb is bad...like very bad 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Wait! You had a backup left tackle in?? The Pats had the 3rd string aka the guy they just signed off a practice squad playing RT all night last night.  a LT playing with the Flu or some kind of bug and a center who has a severely bad thigh injury..  So I guess it’s a bad look on your D Coordinator.

 

The Pats Play calling helped your D a lot. For whatever reason instead of staying to the quick passes and moving the ball down the field he went screen happy and made things very difficult. Oh and the for-mentioned O line issues negated the run game pretty much. 

 

Well no, quite the opposite.  Our DL overwhelmed your OL like they were supposed to do.

Our LT's were overwhelmed as well like what your DE's were supposed to do.

[Billz4ever]

Yeah, drops were frustrating last night, but despite those and the not-so-great pass blocking, we were able to establish a running game against a pretty good defense.  Saw a stat that said NE has held opponents to less than 80 yds rushing in 5 of the last 6 games.  We ran for 132 and only 20 were from Josh. If that's something we can start doing on a consistent basis, that will take a ton of pressure off Josh.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I apologize for looking at the game with a critical eye.  He has dropped 6 passes.  I wouldn't give him up for anything, but should I point out Justin Jefferson (who Minny drafted with the pick) has dropped only 2.

 

Who gives a ****?

 

Travis Kelce and Waddle have 6 drops a piece.  Diggs drops are not an issue.

 

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

[Dopey]

It was a good win last night, but...

Typical of the same group on TBD.

Can't enjoy a win. 

[Chuck Schick]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I apologize for looking at the game with a critical eye.  He has dropped 6 passes.  I wouldn't give him up for anything, but should I point out Justin Jefferson (who Minny drafted with the pick) has dropped only 2.

OK, I'll play along....so what?  Should we throw him the ball less? Bench him? trade him? Send him to WR University this summer?

[Billsfan1972]

16 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

What do you mean by this?

I was looking for a thread (before starting one myself) about the bad lone play (pass blocking) and the drops.  There were none and I wasn't going to root through threads to find comments on them.

[Billz4ever]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I apologize for looking at the game with a critical eye.  He has dropped 6 passes.  I wouldn't give him up for anything, but should I point out Justin Jefferson (who Minny drafted with the pick) has dropped only 2.

Diggs catches more than make up for his few drops.  The drops are more frustrating from the other guys like Davis since they don't have anywhere near the production Diggs does.  

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

The Patriots are at the very top of the league ni pressure.  Wise, Judon, number 55 can all bring it.   Quess was the majority of the problem, he is not good in pass pro but was also injured.  Just win the game, they did, great move on....Dawkins should be back.  To me idea that Quessenbury on one leg is better than Hart or Murray is scary.  Doyle tore his ACL so we lost some tackle depth in week 3.   It's a game of attrition and sometimes you have to figure it out with liabilities and they did.  Great game plan, great execution by Josh and the others to move the ball.

[Billsfan1972]

15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How many points did the Patriots put on the Jets in their first meeting?  Why are you bringing up only one outcome when they played twice?

I know why and everyone on this board knows why too.  But I want to see if you can say it.

You mean the 22 points & <300 yards offense & 1 TD (and intercepted Wilson 3  times) their first meeting?

 

Yep an offensive juggernaut.....

 

There I said it. 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Billsfan1972]

10 minutes ago, Chuck Schick said:

OK, I'll play along....so what?  Should we throw him the ball less? Bench him? trade him? Send him to WR University this summer?

He dropped a third down pass, not huge, but yes the thread mentioned drops and Diggs unfortunately did drop one and when we we needed a catch vs. Minny it was another one (the fact that both were very similar is why I brought it up.

 

Keep obsessing about it though.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[PatsFanNH]

18 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

It wouldn't of mattered if you had Andy Reid calling plays last night, you're Qb is bad...like very bad 

Really? He wasn’t last year and this year he has more O talent around him. Sorry but very bad is Wilson, and Young.. he is ok and shown flashes of being very good.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You 22 points & <300 yards offense & 1 TD (and intercepted Wilson 3  times)?

 

Yep an offensive juggernaut.....

 

There I said it. 

 

My god you are the biggest cherry picker the world has ever seen.  It's unreal and you wonder why you are so often criticized.  It's you...it's not the several people on here that are always wrong.  It's you.