Ken Dorsey is really really good

[Bills2022]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

would be absolutely crazy for an owner or GM to decide another year or two as OC could serve him well. I know, I know, insane that someone might possibly hold it as a strike against a really aggressive declaration of making the guy a HC after 1 year as OC 

 

Owners don't think like that.  Owners are more worried someone else will sign him first. Denver can't just sit around and say he needs another year or two because if they do a team like Carolina could come in and grab him.  Owners like smart, young, offensive minded coaches. Just 1 year as OC of the Bills means nothing, as long as they like him.  It is just like an elite player coming out of the draft early.  GM's can't just say he could use another year or two in school, because somebody else will take a chance.  

 

 

[wppete]

What are the odds Dorsey gets a HC job soon? 

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

Owners don't think like that.  Owners are more worried someone else will sign him first. Denver can't just sit around and say he needs another year or two because if they do a team like Carolina could come in and grab him.  Owners like smart, young, offensive minded coaches. Just 1 year as OC of the Bills means nothing, as long as they like him.  It is just like an elite player coming out of the draft early.  GM's can't just say he could use another year or two in school, because somebody else will take a chance.  

 

 

 

you are right. No owner or GM in the entire nfl may have even a moment of pause.
 

Guys that have never met him and have no familiarity will not at all wonder about his temperament even the slightest. 

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, Peter said:

 

I disagree. It is not going to hurt Dorsey one bit (presuming he checks all of the other boxes for an owner). Indeed, that viral video may even help him.  Just my two cents.

 

COYG!!!

Go Bills!!!

 

Not only did it not hurt Dorsey, multiple Bills players said they loved it. @GunnerBill just refuses to change his mindset.

[machine gun kelly]

It’s just like a rookie player.  He’s feeling his way into the OC role.  He knows offense on a prolific college offense years ago in Miami.  I remember him back in the day.

 

IDC about his meltdown in the booth.  Rookie mistake.  He’ll learn from it.  It’s not like Dabbs hasn’t lost his mind a couple of times.  Just like Dabbs, he’ll get better.

 

Dorsey called a great game and managed the clock better than Dabbs at times.  That’s following a guy that has the Giants at 5-1 and no one expected that to happen.

 

Im a closet Giants fan now because of Dabbs and Schoen.  I hope you guys are too.  Between our boys managing the team and beating the Cheats twice in the SB, I’m over the SB loss in 25.

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

you are right. No owner or GM in the entire nfl may have even a moment of pause.
 

Guys that have never met him and have no familiarity will not at all wonder about his temperament even the slightest. 

 

Yeah, pretty much. It won’t.

 

- Pittsburgh has a head coach that has literally tripped opponents MID PLAY.

- New England has a head coach that has thrown iPad’s, slammed phones, ripped off his head set, and has physically grabbed refs running off the field.

- San Francisco and Michigan have hired a head coach that is so known for his temper tantrums that there are entire compilation videos about it.

- Syracuse has a head coach that had to be physically restrained from going after a ref

 

I could go on but what’s the point. Teams want to win.

[NoSaint]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Yeah, pretty much. It won’t.

 

- Pittsburgh has a head coach that has literally tripped opponents MID PLAY.

- New England has a head coach that has thrown iPad’s, slammed phones, ripped off his head set, and has physically grabbed refs running off the field.

- San Francisco and Michigan have hired a head coach that is so known for his temper tantrums that there are entire compilation videos about it.

- Syracuse has a head coach that had to be physically restrained from going after a ref

 

I could go on but what’s the point. Teams want to win.

 

Established HC that had a Super Bowl ring

 

had many Super Bowl rings 

had 7 years as a college head coach and wore out his welcome in the nfl in 3(?) years despite a great record in large part due to his personality and finds himself in the college ranks. 

 

is in Syracuse. 
 

I’ll be the first to agree 32 teams would be willing to overlook Sean Payton’s baggage if they needed a head coach next season.  I think there are only a handful of jobs and that Dorsey would need a pretty immaculate resume to jump ahead of a guy like that. I don’t think it disqualifies him. I think it’s a small strike. 
 

I think some of y’all are really struggling with the idea that I’m saying someone may consider it and not that every owner will black ball him. 

 

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Established HC that had a Super Bowl ring

 

had many Super Bowl rings 

had 7 years as a college head coach and wore out his welcome in the nfl in 3(?) years despite a great record in large part due to his personality and finds himself in the college ranks. 

 

is in Syracuse. 
 

I’ll be the first to agree 32 teams would be willing to overlook Sean Payton’s baggage if they needed a head coach next season.  I think there are only a handful of jobs and that Dorsey would need a pretty immaculate resume to jump ahead of a guy like that. I don’t think it disqualifies him. I think it’s a small strike. 
 

I think some of y’all are really struggling with the idea that I’m saying someone may consider it and not that every owner will black ball him. 

 

 

Are you under the impression that all those coaches became hot heads after they won a ring? lol

 

I truly don’t think it would be a concern. If a team wanted him, smashing some papers won’t be the decision maker in my opinion.

 

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Edited October 19, 2022 by Einstein

[wjag]

All I know is that before the season started the chatter on the interwebs was 'yeah Josh Allen is good but they lost Daboll and we don't know about Dorsey'.  That chatter is gone and buried now. 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Not only did it not hurt Dorsey, multiple Bills players said they loved it. @GunnerBill just refuses to change his mindset.

 

I do. As a leader in a sporting field and a professional one you will never get me to say showing a total loss of control is a good look. It isn't. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I do. As a leader in a sporting field and a professional one you will never get me to say showing a total loss of control is a good look. It isn't. 

 

 

His reaction after that Miami game means nothing.    I'm not really sure where you are gapping here but nobody is going to wonder how he holds up under pressure or worry about him showing anger up in a box where he is a mile away from being able to do anything about it........he was a championship level QB who played well under pressure and has A LOT of NFL coaching experience.    He'd be over-ripe if he were from the Shanahan or McVay trees.    This guy,  on the other hand,   he was a division 3 long snapper.    

 

 

I don't watch much european kickball.........do the guys in the $20K suits on the sideline never act a fool when they are very mad?   

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

His reaction after that Miami game means nothing.    I'm not really sure where you are gapping here but nobody is going to wonder how he holds up under pressure or worry about him showing anger up in a box where he is a mile away from being able to do anything about it........he was a championship level QB who played well under pressure and has A LOT of NFL coaching experience.    He'd be over-ripe if he were from the Shanahan or McVay trees.    This guy,  on the other hand,   he was a division 3 long snapper.    

 

 

I don't watch much european kickball.........do the guys in the $20K suits on the sideline never act a fool when they are very mad?   

 

It won't stop him becoming a Head Coach. That was never my contention. But that wasn't acting the fool. It was a total loss of control and that is a bad look for a leader. Leadership is about control above all else. If it is a one off it is a bad look. If there is a repeat it is a problem.

 

Again Belichick throwing a tablet is not the same. A single act of frustration is not what Dorsey had. He had a total loss of control. You can't let that happen.

[Protocal69]

4 hours ago, wppete said:

What are the odds Dorsey gets a HC job soon? 

Slim to None in my opinion

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Not only did it not hurt Dorsey, multiple Bills players said they loved it. @GunnerBill just refuses to change his mindset.

 

Personally I love the passion.  Guys like that are winners.  I want my OC getting pissed off when something didnt work to win a game.

[Bill Grundy]

I’d like to see a few more Dabol-like creative plays in the red zone. Cos he hasn’t really got that area figured out yet and it’s vital. 

[78thealltimegreat]

One sleeper team I would keep an eye on with Dorsey is Arizona. Coach is a major disappointment and the QB is paid like Josh but isn’t even in the same stadium talent wise even though he thinks he is. 

[McBean]

On 10/17/2022 at 8:50 PM, Buffalo716 said:

He has a long way to go before he’s a HC

 

his resume is small and he was fired as a QB coach in 18

 

he has josh Allen

 

and I do think he’s been really good but it’s wayyyy too quick to say he’s gonna be a HC soon

I’d disagree.

 

Some Teams will see how much success Daboll is having and automatically assume that could be Dorsey.

 

I could totally see him landing in Washington or Carolina next year.

[C.Biscuit97]

He has been great but he was handed mvp candidate Josh instead of rookie year Josh. Huge difference and has to make your job so much easier. But excellent job so far. 
 

my lady friend looked at him and was like he looks like a nerd. When I told he was the qb for maybe the best college team ever, she nearly choked on her chicken wing dip. 

[Big Turk]

Great article with video on the Bills resurgent running game the past 2 weeks and how Dorsey made some changes to get it going...basically, re-using the pin and pull concepts from last year that worked well.

 

Something else to note.  Knox has quietly become one of the best blocking TE's in the NFL.

 

You'll see him drive DE Frank Clark 5 yards down the field and then execute a nice trap block on DT Chris Jones to spring Singletary on a shotgun run. 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Big Turk

[Beck Water]

13 hours ago, wppete said:

What are the odds Dorsey gets a HC job soon? 

 

This season?  Too soon to tell.

Factors:

1) How many coaches get fired.  You got an idea?  I don't.  I would say Lovie Smith and Josh McDaniels get the "first year" mulligan plus the "bad look" bonus for Smith. Same for Doug Pederson.   Stefanski probably gets the Watson Suspension mulligan.   My guess would be Kingsbury goes if the Cards don't at least match last year's record and make the playoffs - "to whom much is given, much is expected".  Have the Lions seen enough of the Knee Biter?  Their offense is good, but their defense sucks, my guess would be Campbell swaps DCs and stays another year.  Maybe you have a good Crystal Ball, I don't.

2) The thinking of the teams that fire them.  Rumor had it Carolina had a specific "big name" in mind when they kicked Rhule to the curb.   Do the owners want to stay with the "hot offensive hands" trend, or is the pendulum swinging to "defense wins championships"?

3) Do the Bills win the Superbowl?  Actual championship winning OCs are a markedly hotter commodity than runner-ups.