extrahammer Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 carries for 6 yards, one 5 yard run. Great job. We should totally use him more often. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: He had 6 snaps against Baltimore. Legit barely played. We're complaining about him gaining yards now? What are we doing? This is the issue. Every player on a potential Super Bowl team should have a role. Moss being on the active roster, playing zero special teams, and getting less than 2 yards per carry on his 6 snaps is a problem. If Moss doesn't play, that means you can make a guy like Shakir active every week... or open the spot to a guy like Raheem Blackshear before he was taken off our practice squad. Who would you rather have? Edited October 3, 2022 by Rigotz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 This MF is legitimately terrible. Moss needs to be cut of inactive. I don’t know how the only people confused about this guy are the Bills coaching staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rigotz said: This is the issue. Every player on a potential Super Bowl team should have a role. Moss being on the active roster, playing zero special teams, and getting less than 2 yards per carry on his 6 snaps is a problem. If Moss doesn't play, that means you can make a guy like Shakir active every week... or open the spot to a guy like Raheem Blackshear before he was taken off our practice squad. Who would you rather have? We're gonna need Moss this season before its all said and done. Same with Cook. Right now its the singletary show, but its a long year and you want him healthy for the games that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This MF is legitimately terrible. Moss needs to be cut of inactive. I don’t know how the only people confused about this guy are the Bills coaching staff "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This MF is legitimately terrible. Moss needs to be cut of inactive. I don’t know how the only people confused about this guy are the Bills coaching staff On 3rd and 1 he was hit 3 yards behind the LOS... what is he gonna do there? That's been happening constantly regardless of the back out there. So not sure if its bad plays, bad calls, bad checks... whatever. We have an absurd amount of wasted plays that gain nothing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I like Moss, but he's becoming the new Tolbert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, In Summary said: I like Moss, but he's becoming the new Tolbert. I would love it if he turned into prime Tolbert, he was a beast in short yardage and goal line. I celebrate if Moss makes it past the LOS. Moss needs to be GameDay inactive and free up a spot for OL or DB depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: I would love it if he turned into prime Tolbert, he was a beast in short yardage and goal line. I celebrate if Moss makes it past the LOS. Moss needs to be GameDay inactive and free up a spot for OL or DB depth. I'd take 2010 Tolbert for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: On 3rd and 1 he was hit 3 yards behind the LOS... what is he gonna do there? That's been happening constantly regardless of the back out there. So not sure if its bad plays, bad calls, bad checks... whatever. We have an absurd amount of wasted plays that gain nothing. For whatever reason, there is some tell when Moss gets carries because the defenders are typically in his lap within a single step. Running back success and failure is like 90% on the O-Line. I still think he's an average NFL RB and better than he's shown so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." You want to give me a few carries? That’s probably a mistake. But if that’s what it takes to get Moss out of here, I’m in. Edited October 3, 2022 by Brianmoorman4jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 This guy was available. This is a short yardage RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This guy was available. This is a short yardage RB. He pushed a single CB one yard into the endzone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Zack Moss is averaging 5.3 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 3 carries. Singletary is averaging 3.8 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 6 carries. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Simon said: Zack Moss is averaging 5.3 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 3 carries. Singletary is averaging 3.8 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 6 carries. Zack Moss doesn’t break tackles or make anyone miss. That’s what he is supposed to be. 7 minutes ago, Simon said: He pushed a single CB one yard into the endzone. He’s also 33, I wasn’t being serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 This whole RB/Running Game situation has been a puzzlement. I have hopes that somehow it can be worked on against PIT this Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 9:25 AM, extrahammer said: Not taking away blame on our coaches yesterday, but how has he earned his place as the change of pace back in this offense? It doesn't make sense to me. Where are the results? Yesterday was his best game because of a 43 yard run? He's been here 3 years and his YPC has consistently declined each year. So what if he was injured last year, this is the NFL, next man up. If you take out his 43 yard run yesterday, which is the longest of his career, he's averaging less than 3 yards per carry this season. That drive where we handed it off to him every play, what logic was that? He's not even a change of pace, he's the same size as Motor, so he doesn't present a true bruiser type run threat. I'd rather him not take away carries from Cook or Motor, who can actually break a big play. Thank you so very much i never did like or understand the pick sure he was good in college but this is the NFL & i have always thought that if you are going to draft a RB that is the supposed power or short yardage back he needs to be bigger say like a AJ Dillon he was one i thought they should have drafted that year . The only spot that Beane has struggled at is RB IMHO i like Motor but that don't seem to want to use him enough to get into a rhythm & i think he has shown when used he can be a good contributor to their offense but Moss they should trade him to another team he's never impressed me sorry . He's good for 1 good play a game & he's done !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Zack Moss doesn’t break tackles This is complete and utter 100% bunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 31 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: You can’t to give me a few carries? That’s probably a mistake. But if that’s what it takes to get Moss out of here, I’m in. I was just playing off the incongruities of your attitude against your screen name. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Moss is a JAG but the Bills OL is simply bad at run blocking. Which isn't the worst thing in the world since the strength of the team is Allen passing+scrambling on broken plays but it means that any RB they put back there is going to have a very tough time running between the tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Simon said: This is complete and utter 100% bunk Fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, T master said: Thank you so very much i never did like or understand the pick sure he was good in college but this is the NFL & i have always thought that if you are going to draft a RB that is the supposed power or short yardage back he needs to be bigger say like a AJ Dillon he was one i thought they should have drafted that year . The only spot that Beane has struggled at is RB IMHO i like Motor but that don't seem to want to use him enough to get into a rhythm & i think he has shown when used he can be a good contributor to their offense but Moss they should trade him to another team he's never impressed me sorry . He's good for 1 good play a game & he's done !! I'd say its a symptom of our issues along the interior offensive line. Saffold hasn't been good. Morse isn't a good run blocker. Bates hasn't been good, and isn't a good run blocker. Inside zone is not hard to do out of any formation for a back - its either follow, cut, bounce. That is it. I'm not seeing the backs doing the wrong thing here. I'm seeing them never even get to plant their foot in the grass to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 it just seems that every time he comes in and runs for 1 yard it sucks the air out of the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Simon said: Zack Moss is averaging 5.3 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 3 carries. Singletary is averaging 3.8 yrds a carry and picks up a first down on about 1 out of 6 carries. That 5.3 is because he had a long run. He doesn’t really average that much. That’s cherry picking stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Breakout Squad said: That 5.3 is because he had a long run. He doesn’t really average that much. That’s cherry picking stats Removing one of his carries to create the result you want would be cherry-picking stats. That just basic straightforwards unaltered averages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Simon said: Removing one of his carries to create the result you want would be cherry-picking stats. That just basic straightforwards unaltered averages. Yeah but you’re implying Moss has a better average when everyone knows it was 1 long run. Maybe cherry picking isn’t the right term… I find it intentionally misleading 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Breakout Squad said: Yeah but you’re implying Moss has a better average when everyone knows it was 1 long run. Maybe cherry picking isn’t the right term… I find it intentionally misleading I'm not implying anything; he does have a better average. I'm not saying he's a better back, but all this ragging on him and the utterly ridiculous calls to cut him when he's meeting multiple defenders in the backfield on the majority of his carrers is way out of line, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 16 hours ago, Simon said: I'm not implying anything; he does have a better average. I'm not saying he's a better back, but all this ragging on him and the utterly ridiculous calls to cut him when he's meeting multiple defenders in the backfield on the majority of his carrers is way out of line, imo. By comparison, if you chose a lesser, similar amount of carries from Singletary to Moss, Singletary's numbers are much better too. In the end, it's clear a decent amount of people still believe in Moss. But I think his role and skillset don't make sense. To me it seems like he filled that role because it's all we had, not really earned. His last performance is more consistent with his career production. If you gave him the same amount of carries that game as Singletary, he still gets less than 2/3rd's of what Singletary got. Besides a 30 yard run over 3 years, I haven't seen any real potential in him or any staple run that he's earned the role of our between the tackles RB. The difference is Singletary shows more with less than Moss does, to me at least. I haven't said to cut him yet, but I do think the fact he's making more this season than Gilliam (who I believe could be that role), Gabe Davis, and Shaq Lawson, it does make me consider that, but I just don't think it makes us stronger unless we're making a FA move with the new cap space. And $1.2 million isn't a ton in cap space. So to me it sort of is an "it is what it is" type thing for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, extrahammer said: By comparison, if you chose a lesser, similar amount of carries from Singletary to Moss, Singletary's numbers are much better too. In the end, it's clear a decent amount of people still believe in Moss. But I think his role and skillset don't make sense. To me it seems like he filled that role because it's all we had, not really earned. His last performance is more consistent with his career production. If you gave him the same amount of carries that game as Singletary, he still gets less than 2/3rd's of what Singletary got. Besides a 30 yard run over 3 years, I haven't seen any real potential in him or any staple run that he's earned the role of our between the tackles RB. The difference is Singletary shows more with less than Moss does, to me at least. I haven't said to cut him yet, but I do think the fact he's making more this season than Gilliam (who I believe could be that role), Gabe Davis, and Shaq Lawson, it does make me consider that, but I just don't think it makes us stronger unless we're making a FA move with the new cap space. And $1.2 million isn't a ton in cap space. So to me it sort of is an "it is what it is" type thing for now. There's some real cap savings next year - this year you would save like 800K which gets you... i dunno another Moss. 16 hours ago, Simon said: I'm not implying anything; he does have a better average. I'm not saying he's a better back, but all this ragging on him and the utterly ridiculous calls to cut him when he's meeting multiple defenders in the backfield on the majority of his carrers is way out of line, imo. I'm disappointed with the run game in general, but he makes a play and were to take it out of his yardage total? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 4:21 PM, CircleTheWagons99 said: it just seems that every time he comes in and runs for 1 yard it sucks the air out of the offense. Or slips when he gets a huge hole. But hey, I'm not a coach. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I wonder if we could trade Moss for a pure power back that’s been around the league for a while. If what we want from Moss is short yardage and pass blocking, let’s get a guy who actually can do it and trade his cheap contract and “upside” away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 5:31 PM, Simon said: Removing one of his carries to create the result you want would be cherry-picking stats. That just basic straightforwards unaltered averages. Means and Medians are both averages. Moss's median run / carry is pretty low, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 Looks like the Zach Moss era is possibly coming to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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