Trump stole top secret nuclear docs - greatest security risk in US history - MORE TAPES!!!

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Andy1]

Another Trump lie…

 

21 hours ago, BillStime said:

Screams innocent 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Proving intent is similarly where it will fail against Trump.  Assuming it even gets that far.

 

 

Is this a serious question and argument?  That just because Trump didn't reveal he got vaccinated until March 1st of 2020 it's on him?  LOL.  Good one.  He didn't say anything bad about the vaccine/people shouldn't take it up to that point and in fact was instrumental in getting it to the public so fast.  Meanwhile prior to the election Kamala and others in your party said that they would be skeptical of a vaccine produced under him, because they knew the vaccine was coming and wanted to cast doubt on it for political purposes if that information got out before the election (but the FDA hid it until days after).  And guess what segment of the population was and still largely is vaccine-hesitant?

 

Never mind that 0% of Americans were vaccinated for the majority of Trump's time during the pandemic.  But that was still also all his fault, right?  Remember when Biden said that Trump should take responsibility for the pandemic because he didn't listen to the science, or disbanded the pandemic response team, or didn't wear a non-N95 mask and 200K deaths meant he should resign?  And then when he has even more deaths under him, what does he do: not only not resign, but blame it on the unvaccinated?  LOL!  Trump should have done that.

Trump got vaccinated before March 1 2020?  That’s pretty amazing, since it wasn’t available to the rest of the human race until December 2020. 

Good one.

 

Trump thought science was telling him COVId was no big deal, would disappear soon and could be eradicated with in vivo UV and Clorox.  Then he claimed he essentially created 3 vaccines.  
 

That’s your “very stable genius” doc.  Lol

 
your affinity for him is very natural

 

[Tenhigh]

11 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I agree if anyone other than Trump gets the nomination.  Just as much as you all love him so much many hate him even more strongly.  Even if he squeaks out of this he will come off as an imbecile (again).  My opinion obviously.   Definitely want to see more detail.   

 

It's sounding like he declassified stuff like Michael Scott declared bankruptcy.   

I generally agree with this, but I think only half will see him as an imbecile, the rest will see him as wrongly persecuted.  But I literally lol'd at the last part.

 

[ChiGoose]

19 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

People do tend to support their side, that is true.

You actually are proving a point here.  You just conveniently overlooked that a boatload of very difficult to procure FISA warrants were issued based on a what is now known to be a fake document, even by your own "team".  Thank you for being the example!  

Ah, I see we’re still playing the “have no idea how anything works” game.

 

Two FISA warrants against Carter Page we’re found to be inappropriate. Other FISA warrants on Page were found to be fine. Page was a small part of the Russia investigation. 
 

The Steele Dossier is 1. a raw intelligence document and 2. not the predicate for the investigation into the Trump campaign. 
 

Raw intelligence documents should never be made public because the media and the public will read them for what they are not: an intelligence analysis. When gathering intel, you go through two steps: get the info and then assess its veracity. 
 

Like other raw intelligence documents, the Steele Dossier had not been vetted for veracity. It was basically “some people told us X” before investigating whether X was true.

 

Steele caused tremendous problems by making it public because people like yourself didn’t understand what it was. Which wasn’t helped by the media’s poor coverage of it. This wasn’t limited to the Right, however, as many on the Left grasped on to the salacious aspects like the pee tape because they wanted it to be true even if it was ridiculous on its face. 
 

Ironically, it also caused a problem for the Clinton campaign. When they first got the dossier, they were so embarrassed by its contents that they tried to bury it. When Steele went public with it, the FEC noticed that Clinton has no disclosed payments to Steele or Fusion GPS (because they hid the connection to bury the dossier) and fined the campaign six figures. 

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

Trump got vaccinated before March 1 2020?  That’s pretty amazing, since it wasn’t available to the rest of the human race until December 2020. 

Good one.

 

Congrats.  You found the only thing to attack in what I said.  Now replace "2020" with "2021."  Go!

 

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

Trump thought science was telling him COVId was no big deal, would disappear soon and could be eradicated with in vivo UV and Clorox.  Then he claimed he essentially created 3 vaccines.  
 

That’s your “very stable genius” doc.  Lol

 

Hopefully you didn't hurt yourself trying them.  I can see why you'd be mad at him.

 

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 your affinity for him is very natural

 

And so is your obsession with him.

 

[Wacka]

11 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Good question,  don't know yet, which is obviously bad.  Don't underestimate Trump hate, I think that influenced the election more than even covid.  It's one thing to have a bumbling old man another to have a corrupt 5 year old.  One way or another this story will be big.

Wacka you're supposed to inject the bleach into your veins not your brain.  Cmon now.

You've already injected a whole gallon into your brain. You're  brainwashed. 

[Brueggs]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Ah, I see we’re still playing the “have no idea how anything works” game.

 

Two FISA warrants against Carter Page we’re found to be inappropriate. Other FISA warrants on Page were found to be fine. Page was a small part of the Russia investigation. 
 

The Steele Dossier is 1. a raw intelligence document and 2. not the predicate for the investigation into the Trump campaign. 
 

Raw intelligence documents should never be made public because the media and the public will read them for what they are not: an intelligence analysis. When gathering intel, you go through two steps: get the info and then assess its veracity. 
 

Like other raw intelligence documents, the Steele Dossier had not been vetted for veracity. It was basically “some people told us X” before investigating whether X was true.

 

Steele caused tremendous problems by making it public because people like yourself didn’t understand what it was. Which wasn’t helped by the media’s poor coverage of it. This wasn’t limited to the Right, however, as many on the Left grasped on to the salacious aspects like the pee tape because they wanted it to be true even if it was ridiculous on its face. 
 

Ironically, it also caused a problem for the Clinton campaign. When they first got the dossier, they were so embarrassed by its contents that they tried to bury it. When Steele went public with it, the FEC noticed that Clinton has no disclosed payments to Steele or Fusion GPS (because they hid the connection to bury the dossier) and fined the campaign six figures. 

I hope to one day have as thorough of an understanding as you do.

I guess I don't understand what the benefit was to Steele to make it public?  

I was of the understanding that 90% of the US media is left leaning?

It also appeared that the document became a problem for the Clinton campaign when it was deemed fraudulent, but it garnered the desired result of years of negative press against the target, so it achieved the intended result?

I was under the impression that both sides of the isle have used smoke and mirrors to deceive the public for....pretty much ever?

 

[BillStime]

[Tenhigh]

Just now, BillStime said:

Everyone knows he'd rather see his wife in jail over Trump.

[BillStime]

 

[Albwan]

lol...talk about obsessed...seriously, the op needs a mental evaluation.

These posts are pure comedy.

 

Personally I'd vote for MTG.

The republican with the biggest balls.

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Albwan

[Wacka]

The average lefty here  thinks E=mc2 is a nuclear secret.

[TSOL]

2 minutes ago, Wacka said:

The average lefty here  thinks E=mc2 is a nuclear secret.

 

 

You are now under investigation for espionage for reveling top secret information to our enemy's. 

[Tiberius]

 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 hour ago, Brueggs said:

Something tells me you wont be happy until after you waited in a long line all day to get back to your subsidized apartment to carve off a sweet piece of that government cheese....

I hate left vs. right crap, but you do realize the 'blue' states overwhelmingly subsidize the 'red' states, no?

[L Ron Burgundy]

53 minutes ago, Albwan said:

lol...talk about obsessed...seriously, the op needs a mental evaluation.

These posts are pure comedy.

 

Personally I'd vote for MTG.

The republican with the biggest balls.

 

You would because most 5th graders know more about current events than you.  The gazpacho police hag.  Yeah for you that about lines up.  Lol

[Tenhigh]

28 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Do you, Tibs, see the irony here?

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

22 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Do you, Tibs, see the irony here?

That a bunch of people calling themselves patriots and draping themselves in the American flag are cheering on the biggest traitor in the history of this nation?

 

This is like going to the blue/red scrimmage at the stadium (same team, different sides), and seeing 30% of the 'fans' got confused and are cheering for New England*****.

[Tenhigh]

7 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

That a bunch of people calling themselves patriots and draping themselves in the American flag are cheering on the biggest traitor in the history of this nation?

 

This is like going to the blue/red scrimmage at the stadium (same team, different sides), and seeing 30% of the 'fans' got confused and are cheering for New England*****.

Actually not at all what I was referring to.  I was referring to Tibs spreading tales of Russian State news.

[aristocrat]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy

 

read that and see who had more classified info than her. Shouldn’t we give trump the intent defense as well?

come on @ChiGoose thousands of classified info destroyed and no fbi raid and trump has like 11? Tell me again how this is worse?

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Trump stole top secret nuclear documentation - the greatest security risk in US history

 

 

I see the thread still has the same false title.

 

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You don't think Trump did anything wrong, correct? 

[Tiberius]

 

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Trump stole top secret nuclear documentation - the greatest security risk in US history

 

And they waited 18 months to get them back.  But worse still, he sold them to Russia since they took so long!

 

You'd think at some point they'd want to stop being lied to, or maybe figure it out on their own.

[ChiGoose]

40 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

come on @ChiGoose thousands of classified info destroyed and no fbi raid and trump has like 11? Tell me again how this is worse?

Because emails are digital and paper documents are physical?

 

The FBI had Clinton’s physical server, what other physical evidence of digital files would they expect to find at her house?

 

Unless she was in the habit of printing out her emails to read and the FBI knew of this, there really isn’t anything you would expect to find of a search of a home for emails when you already had the server.

 

It’s really hard to understand why that would warrant a search but someone taking physical documents, refusing to hand them over, then handing over some and lying by saying they handed over them all, would not. 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Because emails are digital and paper documents are physical?

But Trumpheads demand, I say DEMAND, that the FBI raid some server closet in an industrial park in suburban Virginia where Hillary's emails were stored. Otherwise it's just not fair.

[aristocrat]

11 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Because emails are digital and paper documents are physical?

 

The FBI had Clinton’s physical server, what other physical evidence of digital files would they expect to find at her house?

 

Unless she was in the habit of printing out her emails to read and the FBI knew of this, there really isn’t anything you would expect to find of a search of a home for emails when you already had the server.

 

It’s really hard to understand why that would warrant a search but someone taking physical documents, refusing to hand them over, then handing over some and lying by saying they handed over them all, would not. 

so then like Hillary you agree he shouldn’t be charged?

[BillStime]

Trump and his lawyers are f’d

 

 

[ChiGoose]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

so then like Hillary you agree he shouldn’t be charged?

I agree that like Hillary, he should be investigated. And if charges are warranted, they should be filed. 
 

At this stage, the big question is why he had the documents. That will likely play a large role into whether or not he will be charged. 

[BillStime]

57 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And they waited 18 months to get them back.  But worse still, he sold them to Russia since they took so long!

 

You'd think at some point they'd want to stop being lied to, or maybe figure it out on their own.

Lied to? Irony is dead - you killed qDoc

 

The agency (National Archives) said it had negotiated with Mr. Trump’s lawyers throughout 2021 to have the materials returned.

 

February 2022

 

Sometime after receiving the boxes, the National Archives discovered what appeared to be classified information within the documents Mr. Trump had held onto and flagged the incident to the Justice Department for guidance. The agency publicly confirmed on Feb. 18 that it had found documents marked as containing “classified national security information” among the boxes.

 

Trump lied again and people died.

[Albwan]

2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

You would because most 5th graders know more about current events than you.  The gazpacho police hag.  Yeah for you that about lines up.  Lol

I'd rather be a 5th grader than a brain dead non thinking self loathing vegetable.

Any day.

 

eg these 2 vegetables

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marxists scream and lie that trump committed crimes because theres nothing

else besides telling lies over and over and over hoping there's enough vegetables

on the coasts who will believe it.

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by Albwan

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Congrats.  You found the only thing to attack in what I said.  Now replace "2020" with "2021."  Go!

 

 

Hopefully you didn't hurt yourself trying them.  I can see why you'd be mad at him.

 

 

And so is your obsession with him.

 

2020, 2021–it’s a timeline….who cares about dates!! Or science! 
 

Why did you boo your ideological master when he encouraged you and your colleagues to get vaccinated?  He was just trying to prompt you (unsuccessfully and a year later).  Perhaps he had a moment of weakness where truth briefly entered his mind.  I mean it’s possible right?  Luckily for you it was only brief, and then it was on to “stolen election” fundraising.  Be sure to budget your giving though.  He has a lot of expenses, and they grow and be ongoing. 

 

 

[reddogblitz]

17 hours ago, BillStime said:

Deliberate 

 

 

 

 

So now Democrats thinking Doxxing and harassing people at their residence is bad?  

Edited August 13, 2022 by reddogblitz

[Brueggs]

3 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

I hate left vs. right crap, but you do realize the 'blue' states overwhelmingly subsidize the 'red' states, no?

You hate it, yet you are an active participant?  That is about par for the course being that it is by design, and it has worked remarkably well throughout history, even on those that are well aware of it. 

The Blue states subsidizing the Red states stat is very misleading.  Its kind of like looking at the passing stats of a football team being inflated because they are always playing from a point deficit.

Here is an interesting stat on the blue vs. red state topic that is much more meaningful. 

  "if you look at the amount of money the federal government gives to states on a per capita basis instead, blue states get more; $2,124 per resident. Red states receive just $1,879 on average".

Look at places like NY, California, Illinois, etc.  People are leaving these areas in droves because they are severely over taxed and they can never seem to balance a budget.  Meanwhile, in a place like Florida, the governor has a 20 plus billion dollar surplus.  Quite simply, its pure mismanagement of tax payer dollars, and that is predominant in blue states.  

So no, I do not realize that blue states "overwhelmingly" subsidize red states, only that they are overwhelmed with incompetence.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Brueggs

[ChiGoose]

14 minutes ago, Brueggs said:

You hate it, yet you are an active participant?  That is about par for the course being that it is by design, and it has worked remarkably well throughout history, even on those that are well aware of it. 

The Blue states subsidizing the Red states stat is very misleading.  Its kind of like looking at the passing stats of a football team being inflated because they are always playing from a point deficit.

Here is an interesting stat on the blue vs. red state topic that is much more meaningful. 

  "if you look at the amount of money the federal government gives to states on a per capita basis instead, blue states get more; $2,124 per resident. Red states receive just $1,879 on average".

Look at places like NY, California, Illinois, etc.  People are leaving these areas in droves because they are severely over taxed and they can never seem to balance a budget.  Meanwhile, in a place like Florida, the governor has a 20 plus billion dollar surplus.  Quite simply, its pure mismanagement of tax payer dollars, and that is predominant in blue states.  

So no, I do not realize that blue states "overwhelmingly" subsidize red states, only that they are overwhelmed with incompetence.

The real difference is that, in general, blue states care more about their people while red states are only concerned if the people in power “get theirs”

 

It’s why life expectancy and health outcomes are generally better in blue states. And in some red states, the income tax is low but the tax burden is higher because of other consumption taxes. The main goal is that the rich and donor classes get to have as much as possible and screw everybody else. 
 

Ok, so I pay more in income tax than other people might. But I get a lot in return for it, so I don’t see any reason why I’d want to move somewhere like Florida or Texas. 

Edited August 13, 2022 by ChiGoose

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

2020, 2021–it’s a timeline….who cares about dates!! Or science! 
 

Why did you boo your ideological master when he encouraged you and your colleagues to get vaccinated?  He was just trying to prompt you (unsuccessfully and a year later).  Perhaps he had a moment of weakness where truth briefly entered his mind.  I mean it’s possible right?  Luckily for you it was only brief, and then it was on to “stolen election” fundraising.  Be sure to budget your giving though.  He has a lot of expenses, and they grow and be ongoing.

 

LOL!  I don't know why they booed him when they knew he got it and was urging them to get it.  People do dumb things.  I myself got the initial 2 shots and a booster.  So did my wife.  Guess what?  I got it from her a month after getting the booster.  But the funny thing is that there is one woman at my work who used the religious exemption to get out of it (which we all knew was BS and rolled our eyes at) and she's the only one who hasn't gotten it. 

 

But keep perseverating on the honest mistake of the year, WEO.  Anything to deflect from the lousy job your ideological master's done with the pandemic despite being handed the most effective weapon against it.  He knew there would be one by the end of the year and that's why he laughably claimed he'd "shut it down" (from his basement no less, and you guys fell for it ).  But as he's seen, it's harder to get people to do what they should do.  I'd have more respect for him if he did what he criticized Trump for not doing and took blame and resigned (because there is no election to do it for us...yet)...

 

[Andy1]

4 hours ago, Brueggs said:

Something tells me you wont be happy until after you waited in a long line all day to get back to your subsidized apartment to carve off a sweet piece of that government cheese....

This is dumb. There are plenty of people in poor rural, red America receiving government money. Everyone wants the government money when it helps them and their community or businesses. Everyone thinks the government is wasting money when it is spent to help the “other” people.

[ChiGoose]

Just now, Andy1 said:

This is dumb. There are plenty of people in poor rural, red America receiving government money. Everyone wants the government money when it helps them and their community or businesses. Everyone thinks the government is wasting money when it is spent to help the “other” people.

Nationwide broadband would be such a tremendous economic boon to rural America (while potentially harming urban America) but the GOP doesn’t give two sh!ts about rural people so they would never go for something that would create economic activity on par with (or greater than) the highway system. 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

So now Democrats thinking Doxxing and harassing people at their residence is bad?  

Um - democrats didn’t need to provide the names or addresses of Supreme Court judges - so there wasn’t a whole lot of DOXXING going on…you’re just pissed they didn’t denounce the protests.

 

Meanwhile, a 42 year old PROUD BOY attempted to break into a FBI building in Cincinnati on THURSDAY and Trump DOXXES the name of the FBI agents the next day to BREITBART?

 

Get the f out of here w your faux outrage 

Edited August 13, 2022 by BillStime

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  I don't know why they booed him when they knew he got it and was urging them to get it.  People do dumb things.  I myself got the initial 2 shots and a booster.  So did my wife.  Guess what?  I got it from her a month after getting the booster.  But the funny thing is that there is one woman at my work who used the religious exemption to get out of it (which we all knew was BS and rolled our eyes at) and she's the only one who hasn't gotten it. 

 

But keep perseverating on the honest mistake of the year, WEO.  Anything to deflect from the lousy job your ideological master's done with the pandemic despite being handed the most effective weapon against it.  He knew there would be one by the end of the year and that's why he laughably claimed he'd "shut it down" (from his basement no less, and you guys fell for it ).  But as he's seen, it's harder to get people to do what they should do.  I'd have more respect for him if he did what he criticized Trump for not doing and took blame and resigned (because there is no election to do it for us...yet)...

 

You know the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from getting Covid….don’t you?  Sounds like you don’t.  
 

Anyway, I didn’t vote for Biden or Trump.   I don’t belong to any party—those are for people who need to be told what to think.  
 

Your party affiliation is strong though! Good for you! Lol