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39 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

This is where you have to draw the line.

 

He is one of the top paid players for his position already.  He is almost 31 years old and had a nasty prior injury.  

 

The team committed to Hyde already.  They need to let him play out this year and move on.  In no way should they be giving a 32 year old safety a new contract.  Time to get younger.

what does one of the top paid safeties even mean!  Poyer is 13th and Hyde is 14th.   Both are all pros.  Not pro bowlers…. All pro.

 

i agree that we should draw a line and not go over.  What’s he’s worth to this team….and how can we make both sides happy for one year beyond 2022.  He wants some gtd money.  Can’t blame him, coming off an all Pro season in which the QBs passer rating against him was the lowest I can remember.  Can’t blame Beane for not wanting to pay him beyond this season (if that happens to be the case).  I don’t see Beane getting bullied here, but I could see him trying to keep Poyer for 22 and 23.  He’s more than just a safety.  He’s a vocal and emotional leader and that stuff matters 

33 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

3 year extension
4 years 50 million total with 35 million guaranteed

 

with an easy out for Bills after 2023 and 24

Def too much.  Guarantee his money for the next 2 years and that’s it.  

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Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

3 years, $30m, $20mgtd.  Add extra years to pump up the headline numbers for his wife 

DB’s begin their descent at this time! 1-2 more years tops!

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30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I actually agree with this.  However I could get on board with an Extension that is in the 8-9M AAV (real money) So a 2 year deal at 18M.  Can market it as a 4 year yada yada extension 

 

I am sorry he is already a top 5 paid FS in the NFL.

 

6 seasons before Buffalo and Nothing from him.

Comes to the DB friendly Cover 3 and boom.  


I think you are close, but I think the AAV for the first 2 years is to high.  I would look at a max of about 20 guaranteed with a very minimal salary in year 1 and 2 both guaranteed also.

 

So he gets like 24 guaranteed, but his actual cost this year and next is only like 6 million each year against the cap.  Then have year 3 go up some - closer to this years salary with the bonus and then 1-2 years of out with minimal dead cap 8 million or less.

 

I am also fine if they trade him if needed and get younger.

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

3 year extension
4 years 50 million total with 35 million guaranteed

 

with an easy out for Bills after 2023 and 24


 

I don’t mind the idea, but that contract makes no sense - way to much guaranteed money by at least 15+ million to have outs after even 2024 - you are talking about 14 million dead cap and with that guaranteed money spread out over the years - you are not getting any cap savings this year with close to 7 million in SB spread out and a vet minimum contract - you are looking at 9 million - barely a savings.

 

Cut that down to 20 million guaranteed or even 24 with 2 years salary at 2 million guaranteed and I am fine, but 35 million - nope let him walk or trade him.

 

 

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Give him a 1 year extension with more money up front this year. Thats it. If he doesn't want it then let him go. He gets an extra year and more money. The bills dont have to commit long term and allows them time to draft or develop a safety to replace him. 

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2 hours ago, NewEra said:

what does one of the top paid safeties even mean!  Poyer is 13th and Hyde is 14th.   Both are all pros.  Not pro bowlers…. All pro.

 

i agree that we should draw a line and not go over.  What’s he’s worth to this team….and how can we make both sides happy for one year beyond 2022.  He wants some gtd money.  Can’t blame him, coming off an all Pro season in which the QBs passer rating against him was the lowest I can remember.  Can’t blame Beane for not wanting to pay him beyond this season (if that happens to be the case).  I don’t see Beane getting bullied here, but I could see him trying to keep Poyer for 22 and 23.  He’s more than just a safety.  He’s a vocal and emotional leader and that stuff matters 

Def too much.  Guarantee his money for the next 2 years and that’s it.  

 

Strong Safeties total cash for 2022:

 

Adams 14.4

Diggs 14

Johnson 10.75

Hyde 7.7

Poyer 7.176

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cash/strong-safety/

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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Oh….”strong safties”……with both Poyer and Hyde listed.  🤣 they are the 13th and 14th highest paid safeties in the league. Period

I’m pretty sure the safety positions are interchangeable in this D. I know they are technically FS and SS but they have similar roles in the scheme, someone can correct me if I’m wrong here. 

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1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m pretty sure the safety positions are interchangeable in this D. I know they are technically FS and SS but they have similar roles in the scheme, someone can correct me if I’m wrong here. 

Yeah I know.  You are 💯 correct.

 

My point…..dude was trying to prove a point was they are both in the top 5 highest paid “strong safeties”…..when that’s not how it is seen in the landscape of the nfl and how they are paid.  They are the 13th and 14th highest paid safeties in the league.  They are among the “highest paid” only if you differentiate which safety position…..and that’s only done in situations where people are just making up nonsense.  They aren’t among the highest paid safeties unless you consider 13th and 14th highest paid.  

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3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

3 years 26M that is where I go.  AAV is 8.6M  That is a good contract for Poyer.  Can make the first 2 years fully guaranteed.  Anything more than that I would move on 

I think that's fair, my original thought was $9-10m per AAV, given cap likely to keep increasing value.

 

1 problem I see is if we give this to Jordan, then Micah is immediately underpaid (compared to Poyer).  To me, both are worth similar $s, and I haven't done the research to see total value each player has received while in Buffalo, but may factor into decisions.  

 

On the other hand, I am a big supporter of Hamlin and think he could be ready to step up as a starter by 2023.  Jordan has 2-3 great seasons left though, so my preference would be to keep him and Hyde working together.

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On 4/7/2022 at 3:18 AM, Locomark said:

No this is not. Next year we will have to pay Oliver and Knox and Davis and a few others and  we have now kicked a lot of money into that year already so there will be restraint to not give big money to the older players. The gravy train only works for players on an upward trajectory, not at the end of their career. The exception is someone like Von who filled a giant gap for us. A defense doesn’t need to pay any safety big money. Just Look at Tyron. He is still looking for a team and he is the same age as Micah and Jordan.  It’s quite possible 2 years from now both safeties and Milano will all be gone due to their age and salary wants. 


Now you’re saying 2 years from now?  I agree with the safety value argument but I’m just sick of hearing bills fans parrot “we can’t pay everyone” 


Clearly we can. We started the offseason with negative cap space. If we can’t pay an all -pro who can we pay? The cap is going up and Poyer already makes 10 mil against the cap. It will be a modest raise/year and an extension which will create even more cap space this season. Next year we can restructure Allen and others. We can keep every single player that is on this team if we keep pushing cap hits into later years (Not saying everyone deserves an extension). We might not be able to add much more, but do we really need to? Other than draft picks? Hasn’t anyone been paying attention to how the cap works this offseason? Seems like a good chance to finally learn about it with all the signings, extensions and restructures. 

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52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I know.  You are 💯 correct.

 

My point…..dude was trying to prove a point was they are both in the top 5 highest paid “strong safeties”…..when that’s not how it is seen in the landscape of the nfl and how they are paid.  They are the 13th and 14th highest paid safeties in the league.  They are among the “highest paid” only if you differentiate which safety position…..and that’s only done in situations where people are just making up nonsense.  They aren’t among the highest paid safeties unless you consider 13th and 14th highest paid.  

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2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I know.  You are 💯 correct.

 

My point…..dude was trying to prove a point was they are both in the top 5 highest paid “strong safeties”…..when that’s not how it is seen in the landscape of the nfl and how they are paid.  They are the 13th and 14th highest paid safeties in the league.  They are among the “highest paid” only if you differentiate which safety position…..and that’s only done in situations where people are just making up nonsense.  They aren’t among the highest paid safeties unless you consider 13th and 14th highest paid.  

 

It's certainly not being badly paid, and considering there are only 64 starting safeties in the league, being 13th and 14th can be argued to be amongst the highest paid, especially as there probably isn't too many actual $ from them being in the top 10.

 

Now, there have been some more sensible noises coming through from Rosenhaus, as regards Poyer wanting to see his career out as a Bill, but for all that he's deserved the money he's got, I'm not so sure he deserves more. A new deal around the same money, seems fair enough to me, as I don't believe he would get that elsewhere in a hurry - even if he hit FA next year.

 

Imho, there seems to be too much ego involved in wanting to get paid. A new contract is one thing, but the push for that appears to be also for a bunch more money as well, and I don't think it's there.

 

I also have the feeling that we have one of the classic NFL situations, where if the player pushes for too much, he ends up with next to nothing. Too often , players don't realize that their best market value, is with the team they are at.

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9 minutes ago, Buddo said:

 

It's certainly not being badly paid, and considering there are only 64 starting safeties in the league, being 13th and 14th can be argued to be amongst the highest paid, especially as there probably isn't too many actual $ from them being in the top 10.

 

Now, there have been some more sensible noises coming through from Rosenhaus, as regards Poyer wanting to see his career out as a Bill, but for all that he's deserved the money he's got, I'm not so sure he deserves more. A new deal around the same money, seems fair enough to me, as I don't believe he would get that elsewhere in a hurry - even if he hit FA next year.

 

Imho, there seems to be too much ego involved in wanting to get paid. A new contract is one thing, but the push for that appears to be also for a bunch more money as well, and I don't think it's there.

 

I also have the feeling that we have one of the classic NFL situations, where if the player pushes for too much, he ends up with next to nothing. Too often , players don't realize that their best market value, is with the team they are at.

All pro players that aren’t paid within the top 10 of their positions have a gripe imo.  
 

that said, I wouldn’t give Poyer a raise. If he wants more guaranteed money, which would also allow us to work the cap even more, I’d guarantee his 2023.  That locks up the tandem for the next two years.  
 

His wife is probably in his ear with all these players calling shots.  He made all pro for the first time and that is usually the best time to try and get some more guaranteed cash.  

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I think we should try to find something that works, I think Beane will, but my concern with Poyer is he's just now pushing this. Free Agency started a month ago and he's just now switching agents. The Diggs deal has been talked about and expected since during the season, Poyer waits until most teams have already allocated their budgets to try to get a bigger deal? 

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4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Give him a 1 year extension with more money up front this year. Thats it. If he doesn't want it then let him go. He gets an extra year and more money. The bills dont have to commit long term and allows them time to draft or develop a safety to replace him. 

Yes...time starts about now about developing a replacement. The safety position can get old real quick.

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