Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 7:13 AM, OldTimer1960 said: Do you mean that they think there are only 100 or so draft-worthy prospects or do they exclude many early prospects because they are going to be gone early, aren’t scheme fits, don’t play priority position for current draft,…? I can’t imagine them basically only having a top 100 board and flying blind after 3rd round. They don't exclude anyone based on "will be gone early" because you never know what the teams ahead of you will do, and sometimes players slide. I doubt they exclude talent as "not priority this draft", either. But they grade all the prospects they have enough info on. There will be some they don't have enough info to grade. Some guys won't get a grade because they feel they would not be a "character" or "process" fit, or because of injury red flags, or because simply not a scheme fit. I dunno how many guys are on the Bills board, but the point is it covers players they grade for every round, but those players are a selected subset of all the players who declared. Disclaimer: my understanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I dunno how many guys are on the Bills board, but the point is it covers players they grade for every round, but those players are a selected subset of all the players who declared. Disclaimer: my understanding. It would be interesting to know. The way they operate and some of the things Beane has said in previous years lead me to believe they are a relatively small board team. Maybe not New England small (they regulalry have fewer than 100 players on theirs) but on the smaller side. In that 100-150 range rather than 150-200. They will also have a bunch of guys who they do not have on the draft board but they already have marked as UDFA guys - sometimes because there is something off-field or injury wise that they are not willing to risk a draft resource on, but as an UDFA it is worth a punt. The big tackle from Washington a couple of years ago was an example of that. He was off the board for injury reasons but as an UDFA they were willing to take a shot. Tyrel Dodson may have been another with some of the off-field stuff. I definitely thought his tape was draftable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 On 4/8/2022 at 7:53 PM, gonzo1105 said: 2nd tier CB prob round 2 I got a Mid 2nd round grade on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 So some bad news: The 2020 pre draft tracker, the Bills drafted no one. 2021 was just Jack Anderson. These leaks really don’t narrow down anything. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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intimidatortj Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 8:13 AM, OldTimer1960 said: Do you mean that they think there are only 100 or so draft-worthy prospects or do they exclude many early prospects because they are going to be gone early, aren’t scheme fits, don’t play priority position for current draft,…? I can’t imagine them basically only having a top 100 board and flying blind after 3rd round. There are about 270 players drafted. You could get by with a board of 125 players or so. Your list will include guys you think will get drafted in each of the rounds, so you are not flying blind after the 3rd round. You might have 15 players per round you have on your board. I wouldn't advise that approach though. On 4/4/2022 at 7:58 PM, LEBills said: Singletary has had his moments. Moss, Chris Ivory, Frank Gore, TJ Yeldon, Matt Breida have been forgettable additions. Granted we have not spent a ton of capital on RBs in his era. Spiller to me would not be a very good pick, my concern being that he has fumbled 8 times on 615 touches over 3 years. The rest of his game is not special, kind of average all around imo. I am a no to Spiller. I like Ken Walker (and he doesn't like being called Kenneth. He likes Ken). FYI Ken Walker has fumbled Zero times in college. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 18 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said: He also met with them at the combine. Slated to go right around their #25 pick, so someone certainly to keep an eye on. However, the scouting reports I've seen say he's a better fit in man than zone schemes. Maybe but I'd rather take a guy who's good one on one and try to convert him to zone than visa versa. And I love Booth. 7 hours ago, Pete said: Buffalo Bills Malik Willis - QB Liberty Cam Jurgens - C/G Nebraska Logan Bruss - C/G Wisconsin Zion Johnson - C/G Boston College Lecitus Smith - G Virginia Tech Dohnovan West - C/G Arizona State Kenyon Green - C/G Texas A&M Scott Rhyan-IOL Nicholas Petiti-Frere -OT Max Borghi - RB Washington State Rachaad White - RB Arizona State Isiah Spiller-RB James Cook-RB Bufalo Cade Otton - TE Washington Isaiah Likely TE Jameson Williams- WR Bama Treylon Burks - WR Arkansas Garrett Wilson - WR OSU Chris Olave - WR OSU John Metchie III - WR Bama Cole Turner WR Jordan Davis - DT Georgia Perrion Winfrey - DT Oklahoma Phidarian Mathis - DT Bama Arnold Ebiketie - DE Brandon Smith - LB PSU Darrian Beavers - LB Cincinnati D'Marco Jackson LB Josh Thompson - CB Texas (Senior Bowl) Roger McCreary - CB Auburn Trent McDuffie - CB - Washington Kaiir Elam - CB Florida Kyler Gordon - CB Washington Andrew Booth - CB Clemson Roger McCreary - CB Auburn Martin Emerson CB Jaquan Brisker - S - PSU Kyle Hamilton- S Lewis Cines-S Nick Cross- S Matt Araiza - P San Diego State First of all thank you for updating the list. Also it sure seems that the visits by position reflect what all of us believe are the Bills' biggest needs. 4 hours ago, whorlnut said: I’ve seen a scouting report that states he doesn’t have good recovery speed. That means once he’s burnt, he stays burnt. Not exactly something that makes me feel warm and fuzzy with receivers like waddle and hill in the division. Have you watched any of the video on Booth or have you only read about him? 3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: So some bad news: The 2020 pre draft tracker, the Bills drafted no one. 2021 was just Jack Anderson. These leaks really don’t narrow down anything. Well, that's interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Cover1 is tracking all of their top 30 visits, virtual meetings, combine meetings, and private workouts: https://www.cover1.net/nfl-draft/2022-bills-pre-draft-visits/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Lots of TE visits... there is a lot of talk about drafting a safety/linebacker to replace Edmunds/Poyer to save some coin, but not much talk about drafting another TE in case they can't make it work with Knox after this season. I think they'll draft one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 18 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: So some bad news: The 2020 pre draft tracker, the Bills drafted no one. 2021 was just Jack Anderson. These leaks really don’t narrow down anything. The last two years can be thrown out. Because there were no in person visits. So it was just different levels of guys they zoomed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, 716er said: Lots of TE visits... there is a lot of talk about drafting a safety/linebacker to replace Edmunds/Poyer to save some coin, but not much talk about drafting another TE in case they can't make it work with Knox after this season. I think they'll draft one. Yeah I think they'll draft one and roster 3 TEs this year. No guarantees Knox is back next year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 5:39 AM, Shake_My_Head said: This guy's intriguing. Sounds like a clone of Levi Wallace. Per Dane Brugler (The Athletic): SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Mississippi State, Emerson was the left cornerback in defensive coordinator Zach Arnett’s man-and-zone scheme. Despite a mediocre college résumé (never earned All-SEC honors and logged only one interception), he was consistently one of the top coverage players in the SEC during the last two seasons. Emerson is a good-sized athlete with the length (33 1/2" arms!), toughness and coverage awareness that will translate well to the next level. While he can jam and be disruptive from press, he lacks ideal pedal fluidity and change of direction in man coverage, struggling to make up the lost steps when overaggressive. Overall, Emerson lacks quick-twitch athleticism and functional play strength, but he shows a natural feel for spacing and disruption in zone coverage. He has NFL starting potential, ideally suited in a Cover-2 or Cover-3 scheme. GRADE: 5th Round Levi Wallace is 6' weighed under 180 and ran a 4.63 40. Emerson is 6'2" 200 lbs and runs a 4.53. They are nowhere close to being clones. What Wallace has going for him his football smarts and his technique. We'll see how Emerson is in those areas, but clones? No way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah I think they'll draft one and roster 3 TEs this year. No guarantees Knox is back next year. Agreed. Don't get me wrong - I hope Knox is back, but they need some insurance with potential there on a rookie deal. Would also be nice to give Josh two very good to great TEs. Edited April 10, 2022 by 716er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: Levi Wallace is 6' weighed under 180 and ran a 4.63 40. Emerson is 6'2" 200 lbs and runs a 4.53. They are nowhere close to being clones. What Wallace has going for him his football smarts and his technique. We'll see how Emerson is in those areas, but clones? No way! I was referring to the way Wallace plays, not measurables. Emerson appears to be a similar 'grit and savvy' type of player, better equiped to play a zone rather than man scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said: I was referring to the way Wallace plays, not measurables. Emerson appears to be a similar 'grit and savvy' type of player, better equiped to play a zone rather than man scheme. Well, if Emerson has all of Wallace's "grit and savvy," he should end up being a better player on the strength of his superior measurables. The consensus slotting as a second round value would seem to affirm that, given that Wallace was a UDFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BearNorth Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Just saying - McBeane got real lucky with Wallace...his 52 starts are the most by an undrafted defensive back since 2011. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Just saying - McBeane got real lucky with Wallace...his 52 starts are the most by an undrafted defensive back since 2011. There is some luck involved, but can also attribute to good scouting and good coaching/player development 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 54 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I would genuinely be surprised if he didn’t wind up a Bill. McDermott loves the small school, toolsy later round CBs. Josh Norman, James Bradberry, Taron Johnson, Siran Neal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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