filthymcnasty08 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, nucci said: well, if it was on a podcast... I knew this response was coming. I used the word "projecting" as in one podcast was projecting Hunt to get cut and they thought he was best fit with the Bills. In all the RB conversations, we never mentioned him. I compared him to the FA choices and asked the board for their thoughts. I don't believe I represented this as some kind of scoop or eventuality. Just an idea and, as usual, the board came up with a great variety of thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 He's the type of all-in signing the Bills will need to look at over the next 1-3 years. You need a home run hitter in that unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Can’t see Kim Pegula signing off on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: Can’t see Kim Pegula signing off on him Pretty sure the Bills were actively recruiting Antonio Brown a couple years ago? So your saying Kim was OK with AB. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 1:10 PM, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: I don’t know … I think we’re trying to build a Super Bowl roster, not a Grammy winning boys choir. If he helps in the ultimate quest? Git er dun Yes but you have to have common sense. If you bring someone with a repetitive history of violence on your team , you , by proxy, are condoning that as having been ok. What are you going to do , not cheer if he scores a td? This enables these deniers who blame others for their behavior , and they look at cheers as approval or validation. They are ill, any fan praise turns into justification in their minds. The only way to do this is if they agree to therapy , signed off on by the therapist with no excuses for missed sessions. Some people do change but in my experience , most revert unless they see the need and desire change. I believe in second chances but with aftercare and monitored help. Do you believe that’s the way the NFL would Handle things : this is a league that notifys players in advance for drug testing ! Also football is a violent sport , it’s based on physicality , not emotional well being. Most businesses and professions hold their employees to high standards. I’ll give you one example in my profession. If a dr in Florida gets a dui, or uses drugs ( anesthesiologists have been caught taking drugs off the cart meant for use for a patient! ) , they are immediately suspended. After months of therapy , they enter a 5 year program of aftercare where they are called randomly ( holidays, beimg out of town are no excuses) and they must drop a urine within 24 hours. If they don’t, it’s considered a failure and they are again suspended and may permanently lose their license ( which is a privilege to serve and care for patients). They also are required to attend at least once a week support group meetings. No excuses! So for their FIRST INCIdent , they are committed to a 5 year intensely monitored program! Any relapse starts the 5 years all over. Pretty intense , right? But it’s to help that PERSON ( not the “ dr” or “ player” ) have a healthy life. Do yo t(ink the nfl , by giving a million dollar contract to a guy who attacked a woman , has a history of cutting ties at the drop of a hat if you’re not performing, cares about that PLAYER AS A HUMAN BEING AFTER THEY CANT PLAY? That’s why I applaud teams with moral lines. Kc will take anyone , but look at what that blanket acceptance has resulted in with Reid’s own family. I want the Bills to win a SB , but why can’t they do it with decent people we can care about and cheer for ? There are so many guys who can play ; why not go the route of choosing character guys like Allen ? That turned out pretty well, as he is also a positive for the community. Not many will donate to a hospital wing in the name of a guy like Hunt. I like the current culture the Bills espouse, winning yet encouraging players to be the best versions of themselves as players and men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: Pretty sure the Bills were actively recruiting Antonio Brown a couple years ago? So your saying Kim was OK with AB. 😂 Brown was and still is just a head case and locker room cancer. He hasn’t been accused of beating women that I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Big Turk said: Repeat after me. Smart teams don't give big contracts to running backs. THE most important post of this entire saga! 👍🎉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Big Turk said: Repeat after me. Smart teams don't give big contracts to running backs. $5M/year is now "big"? I know RB value is not where it once was, but $5M/year is low-end starter money. Smart teams also should realize that 3rd rounders are generally in the 3rd round for a reason and they do not constitute a SB caliber backfield. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 13 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said: I knew this response was coming. I used the word "projecting" as in one podcast was projecting Hunt to get cut and they thought he was best fit with the Bills. In all the RB conversations, we never mentioned him. I compared him to the FA choices and asked the board for their thoughts. I don't believe I represented this as some kind of scoop or eventuality. Just an idea and, as usual, the board came up with a great variety of thoughts. just messing with you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 5:03 PM, Rigotz said: This is the guy you want? https://www.tmz.com/videos/0-exjrtvg5/ "Never charged with a crime" ... come on. If you're fine with compromising on character, at least admit it. Jesus, God. Please let's be one of the few teams who won't take talent at any cost. You can keep the Hunts and Petersons of the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 11 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: Brown was and still is just a head case and locker room cancer. He hasn’t been accused of beating women that I know of. I think sexual assault and rape might count as violence against women: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/antonio-brown-investigation-lawsuit-trainer-rape-accusation/32meh1uotus1kcorpawbkr3f IMHO beating a male truck driver oughta count against AB too, just as it counted against Kareem Hunt when he punched a Put-in-bay guest in the face: https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/antonio-brown-charged-in-alleged-truck-driver-assault/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: Can’t see Kim Pegula signing off on him Question 1, Will Hunt make the bills Money with tickets, jersey sales, on field production etc. If the answer is yes, everything else is moot. Billionaires care about one thing, and that's money. On 2/25/2022 at 5:18 PM, Chicken Boo said: Do I need to educate some Bills fans about Jim Kelly's past? Two of the worst people I met in my life. Stories i've heard along with seeing how they treated people. Jim Kelly Andre Reed. Two of the most celebrated Bills in team history. High horses be damned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 37 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think sexual assault and rape might count as violence against women: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/antonio-brown-investigation-lawsuit-trainer-rape-accusation/32meh1uotus1kcorpawbkr3f IMHO beating a male truck driver oughta count against AB too, just as it counted against Kareem Hunt when he punched a Put-in-bay guest in the face: https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/antonio-brown-charged-in-alleged-truck-driver-assault/ Those allegations came to light after the Bills had gone after him much earlier in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, filthymcnasty08 said: $5M/year is now "big"? I know RB value is not where it once was, but $5M/year is low-end starter money. Smart teams also should realize that 3rd rounders are generally in the 3rd round for a reason and they do not constitute a SB caliber backfield. also its simply not true. Look at the highest paid RBs. outside of Zeke Elliott, they are all difference makes for their teams https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/25/2022 at 8:01 PM, GreggTX said: If a guy has committed a crime and pays his debt to society, I'd give him another chance. That doesn't mean it can't happen again, but all too often, we make it so hard on them that recovery becomes much more difficult. Hunt is far better than most people realize. That said, I don't know him personally and I'd want to talk to people in Cleveland about any character concerns before making such a move. If he's come around, I'd say OK, but any more woman beating and you are finished. No guaranteed money. No nothing. There's the door. I think this is my position as well. People can and do change all the time, especially when they're young adults who have to suddenly face the consequences of their actions after having hardly ever been held accountable before. Hunt was 22 years old when the incident was videotaped. He should have known better but maybe domestic violence was the norm in his family/environment, and nobody ever told him it's wrong. If Hunt has learned from his mistakes and changed his attitude and ways, he deserves to be judged by who he is now and how he behaves now not four years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: Brown was and still is just a head case and locker room cancer. He hasn’t been accused of beating women that I know of. Edited March 1, 2022 by Paul Costa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said: $5M/year is now "big"? I know RB value is not where it once was, but $5M/year is low-end starter money. Smart teams also should realize that 3rd rounders are generally in the 3rd round for a reason and they do not constitute a SB caliber backfield. Quick, what's the 'success' rate of each round? How many players of each round are on the Superbowl teams for the last 3 years? Since you made this statement, I'm sure you have it right at hand. Edited March 1, 2022 by Malazan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 35 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: Another poster mentioned that too, but those allegations came to light after the Bills pursued him in March of 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 14 hours ago, Malazan said: Quick, what's the 'success' rate of each round? How many players of each round are on the Superbowl teams for the last 3 years? Since you made this statement, I'm sure you have it right at hand. LOL...no I don't have that right at hand, and I am not sure what you're trying to prove, but you are free to google that yourself. Talking about RB here. Off the top of my head, at RB last 3 SB's: Akers: 2nd Rd. Sony M: 1st. Rd (Trade) Mixon: 2nd Rd. Fournette: 1st Rd. (FA Pickup) CEH: 1st. Round Shady: 2nd Round (FA pickup) Niners Committee Backfield: several undrafted, Coleman Rd 3 Nevertheless, I appreciate your proving my point that leaving your RB situation 100% to mid round draft picks carries a low success rate. A proven NFL commodity, who can elevate their game in our offense, at a reasonable price is one way to offset that. I would ask you if you think our backfield is SB caliber in its current form and, if not, what would your strategy be to improve on it? We're not going RB in rd's 1 or 2 so, is it enough to try to hit the lottery in round 3+ or should we look to get a proven guy in the mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Would be interesting to know how many people would be pro adding Kareem Hunt but against adding Gronk. Some of the rationale used on this board........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 On 2/27/2022 at 5:48 PM, Paul Costa said: Pretty sure the Bills were actively recruiting Antonio Brown a couple years ago? So your saying Kim was OK with AB. 😂 That was before the clown act and off the field baggage truly began and the Bills were obviously fortunate he chose the Raiders instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 7 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said: LOL...no I don't have that right at hand, and I am not sure what you're trying to prove, but you are free to google that yourself. Talking about RB here. Off the top of my head, at RB last 3 SB's: Akers: 2nd Rd. Sony M: 1st. Rd (Trade) Mixon: 2nd Rd. Fournette: 1st Rd. (FA Pickup) CEH: 1st. Round Shady: 2nd Round (FA pickup) Niners Committee Backfield: several undrafted, Coleman Rd 3 Nevertheless, I appreciate your proving my point that leaving your RB situation 100% to mid round draft picks carries a low success rate. A proven NFL commodity, who can elevate their game in our offense, at a reasonable price is one way to offset that. I would ask you if you think our backfield is SB caliber in its current form and, if not, what would your strategy be to improve on it? We're not going RB in rd's 1 or 2 so, is it enough to try to hit the lottery in round 3+ or should we look to get a proven guy in the mix? Not what I asked, but you forgot a couple.. Damien Williams Raheem Mostert Also, Shady didn't play in the Superbowl or even the playoffs for the Chiefs. Sony Michele got 2 carries in the Superbowl for 2 yards so if we're counting every back that got any carries in the Superbowl.. well, ok then. I guess we're counting Darrell Henderson Jr. and Samaje Perine too. So we have 'six' leading rushers out of the last 3 Superbowls. Rams / Bengals: Akers (52 - 2nd) / Mixon (48 - 2nd) Chiefs / Buccaneers: Edwards-Helaire (32 - 1st) / Fournette (4 - 1st) Chiefs / 49ers Damien Williams (Undrafted) / Mostert (undrafted) You actually had an argument without trying to 'stack the deck'. 4 of the six leading rushers in the last 3 Superbowls had leading rushers that were selected with high round draft picks. Of course, nothing is black and white. I'm not sure how much you count a leading rusher with 21 yards in the Superbowl and averaging with less than 50 yards a game throughout the playoffs as a good argument to spend a high pick on a RB or that the Bucs didn't spend any draft capital at all on Fournette (and literally, no one offered a 7th round pick for him). So we're currently 3/6 used less than a 3rd round of draft capital for the team in the Superbowl.. and we have a pretty good argument that only 2 of those produced at a level that would have been worthwhile and possibly not able to be replaced with a back from ~30 picks later. So if we say 50%, there may still be an argument for your case, but I'd say we'd have to look at other capital spent to really make a case that you're more likely to win a Superbowl with a 1st or 2nd round RB over a later round, FA or undrafted RB. Did those teams invest in other places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndhall1 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Doesn’t Kareem have a brother named Mike ???? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, johndhall1 said: Doesn’t Kareem have a brother named Mike ???? Also has a half sister named Anita Massengill Edited March 2, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 19 hours ago, Malazan said: Not what I asked, but you forgot a couple.. Damien Williams Raheem Mostert Also, Shady didn't play in the Superbowl or even the playoffs for the Chiefs. Sony Michele got 2 carries in the Superbowl for 2 yards so if we're counting every back that got any carries in the Superbowl.. well, ok then. I guess we're counting Darrell Henderson Jr. and Samaje Perine too. So we have 'six' leading rushers out of the last 3 Superbowls. Rams / Bengals: Akers (52 - 2nd) / Mixon (48 - 2nd) Chiefs / Buccaneers: Edwards-Helaire (32 - 1st) / Fournette (4 - 1st) Chiefs / 49ers Damien Williams (Undrafted) / Mostert (undrafted) You actually had an argument without trying to 'stack the deck'. 4 of the six leading rushers in the last 3 Superbowls had leading rushers that were selected with high round draft picks. Of course, nothing is black and white. I'm not sure how much you count a leading rusher with 21 yards in the Superbowl and averaging with less than 50 yards a game throughout the playoffs as a good argument to spend a high pick on a RB or that the Bucs didn't spend any draft capital at all on Fournette (and literally, no one offered a 7th round pick for him). So we're currently 3/6 used less than a 3rd round of draft capital for the team in the Superbowl.. and we have a pretty good argument that only 2 of those produced at a level that would have been worthwhile and possibly not able to be replaced with a back from ~30 picks later. So if we say 50%, there may still be an argument for your case, but I'd say we'd have to look at other capital spent to really make a case that you're more likely to win a Superbowl with a 1st or 2nd round RB over a later round, FA or undrafted RB. Did those teams invest in other places? My argument was never that we had to spend a high draft pick on RB, it was more around improving our running game consisting of 2 3rd rounders that, IMHO, are not our solution for 2022: a year which we all believe we should go to the SB. And because our RB's have not developed as such, we are in need at the position with a "win now" supporting roster. Everyone agrees for the most part that we need to address RB. One of the ways to address this without taking the gamble with another day 2 guy is to bring in a proven guy. Like the title says: Kareem Hunt is a cut candidate. I am also in favor of Saquan Barkley. Stay within those thoughts if you want to keep arguing, but none of your other statements include solutions for the Bills current situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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