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Why didn't Buffalo pull the Harbaugh Maneuver?


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What we should have done was the Harbaugh Maneuver: Tackle/hold all eligible receivers at the snap. You get hit for 5 yard penalty - and 5 seconds roll off the clock. It forces a hail-mary and we win the game. I just don't get it. Mcdermott and Frazier failed miserably there. They also called all their timeouts getting ready for their play. They had time to make these discussions and couldn't do it.

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1 minute ago, Einstein said:

We should have had 2 or 3 d linemen rushing.

 

Not 4.

 

With 3 d-linemen, you can double every receiver on the field.

 

One can hold/shove them at the line. The other brackets behind for extra coverage.

 

It was really poor defense.

Coaches like Vrabel, Harbaugh are football savvy. McDermott is not

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8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

We should have had 2 or 3 d linemen rushing.

 

Not 4.

 

With 3 d-linemen, you can double every receiver on the field.

 

One can hold/shove them at the line. The other brackets behind for extra coverage.

 

It was really poor defense.

Watch Kelce run absolutely free on that last play. No one was near him for the first 10-12 yards until he cut easily away from Levi.  Our defense was a joke tonight aside from Ed.

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13 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

What we should have done was the Harbaugh Maneuver: Tackle/hold all eligible receivers at the snap. You get hit for 5 yard penalty - and 5 seconds roll off the clock. It forces a hail-mary and we win the game. I just don't get it. Mcdermott and Frazier failed miserably there. They also called all their timeouts getting ready for their play. They had time to make these discussions and couldn't do it.

 

Apparently someone said they closed this loophole in 2017 and the clock gets reset?  Can someone verify the accuracy of that?

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2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Watch Kelce run absolutely free on that last play. No one was near him for the first 10-12 yards until he cut easily away from Levi.  Our defense was a joke tonight aside from Ed.

 

how you don't have a LB hitting Kelce at the line is unreal.  You can't let him start his route free.  Yet, we did.  We need an aggressive DC.  Hopefully Frazier is gone.  We have personnel issues in the front 7, but Fraizer did nothing to mask those.  

1 minute ago, Awwufelloff said:

Why were the Bills playing like the Chiefs didn't have 3 timeouts? The entire middle of the field was completely open.

 

it was just mind blowing.  Stupid prevent D.  no pressure on mahomes, and Kelcie with no one around him.  

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1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

Stupid prevent D.  no pressure on mahomes, and Kelcie with no one around him.  

True. It would have been different if KC had no timeouts. They had all 3! So they played it perfectly. A 19 yard gain to the 44. Then about 15 more would do it. It was not a situation to lay back in a deep zone. That would have been the situation if they had no timeouts, or maybe even just one left. That initial 19 yard gain had me saying "that's it ... we're going to OT and whoever wins the coin flip wins the game." Neither offense could be stopped at the end.

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7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

True. It would have been different if KC had no timeouts. They had all 3! So they played it perfectly. A 19 yard gain to the 44. Then about 15 more would do it. It was not a situation to lay back in a deep zone. That would have been the situation if they had no timeouts, or maybe even just one left. That initial 19 yard gain had me saying "that's it ... we're going to OT and whoever wins the coin flip wins the game." Neither offense could be stopped at the end.

 

well, I could see Daboll suddenly stopping ours.  hahaha.  

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21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Watch Kelce run absolutely free on that last play. No one was near him for the first 10-12 yards until he cut easily away from Levi.  Our defense was a joke tonight aside from Ed.

Yeah edge rushers were good but not good enough.   It's a tough thing to do but we need to keep drafting an edge guy every year until we find a stud.

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33 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

how you don't have a LB hitting Kelce at the line is unreal.  You can't let him start his route free.  Yet, we did.  We need an aggressive DC.  Hopefully Frazier is gone.  We have personnel issues in the front 7, but Fraizer did nothing to mask those.  

 

it was just mind blowing.  Stupid prevent D.  no pressure on mahomes, and Kelcie with no one around him.  

 

I still want to know who Johnson was covering on he outside of the field on that Kelce throw because there was literally nobody there!

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16 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Yeah edge rushers were good but not good enough.   It's a tough thing to do but we need to keep drafting an edge guy every year until we find a stud.

 

forget drafting these guys.  Bean can't find them.  Get one in FA.  Prob easier to find an impactful 1T, or OG than Edge rusher anyway.  

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1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Apparently someone said they closed this loophole in 2017 and the clock gets reset?  Can someone verify the accuracy of that?


Palpably Unfair Acts -Rule 12, Section 3, Article 2


“Beginning in the 2017 NFL season, deliberately committing fouls to manipulate the game clock was classified as unsportsmanlike conduct.”

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_act


https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/221611/how-the-nfl-prevents-teams-from-using-penalties-to-win-games


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/11/27/the-ravens-intentionally-held-nine-players-took-a-penalty-and-a-safety-to-oddly-win-their-game/

 

Of course this is the one that the Patriots, Titans and Ravens have bent at one time or another in random games. Most likely given the fact you are playing in the only and marquee playoff game with everyone watching, you wouldn’t  want to tempt referree fate in a hostile stadium  (and the commissioner power  to overturn  the game) with blantant holds like that.  
 

Also, given that something similar hasn’t happened since 2019, it was likely one of those internal memo/point of emphasis situations where teams were told to cut it out or else face real consequences. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Watch Kelce run absolutely free on that last play. No one was near him for the first 10-12 yards until he cut easily away from Levi.  Our defense was a joke tonight aside from Ed.

Exactly. They were protecting against a TD when they should have been playing them much tighter.  WTF is Wallace 5 yards wide of Kelce protecting the sideline? They had three time outs and not enough time to even use the sideline.  

McDermott got schooled again by Reid.  The best playoff performance by a Bills QB was ruined by a HC that preaches continuous improvement but doesn't improve himself.  

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Yeah but even that new rule lets you do it once. It only applies to repeated infractions. So the Bills could have done it on the first play, taking a five yard penalty and running off five seconds or so. Then the Chiefs would have had to make a huge gain to get in FG range. 

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