Questions Surrounding a New Stadium in OP .

[Wacka]

And the snow weight. Remember what happened in Minn.

[SoCal Deek]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:47 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Not to mention how a partial overhang deals with a stiff wind that might get under it.

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You guys are alright!  I'll need to bring you into my architectural practice.  Yes, a deep overhang has to resist what are called 'overturn' forces, which means it needs a significant foundation to counteract those forces.  It's done all the time but generally requires deeper roof members and larger foundations.

[WhoTom]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:21 PM, Steptide said:

15 thousand fans and covid is a difference of 200 million? I find that hard to believe. Plus the carrier dome did ALL their renovations for 118 million, not just the roof 

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I agree, it seems pretty high. I'm just speculating about the reason. And from what I've read, the roof was the biggest chunk of the CD reno, so most of that $118M went to the roof. So that, along with the previously cited factors, accounts for most of the difference.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:58 PM, SoCal Deek said:

You guys are alright!  I'll need to bring you into my architectural practice.  Yes, a deep overhang has to resist what are called 'overturn' forces, which means it needs a significant foundation to counteract those forces.  It's done all the time but generally requires deeper roof members and larger foundations.

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So would you say a full roof is lesser, more than or equal to an overhang?

[K-9]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:43 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Building a roof that only hangs over the stands is just as tricky as building a complete roof. Maybe more so. It's not the square footage of the cover, it's how you hold it up and what stresses it has to deal with.

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Who said anything about a partial roof? I merely explained why it will take much more raw material (cost) to cover the new stadium than either of the smaller Carrier Dome or Highmark areas. 

 

I’d much rather have a dome as well. These 62 year old bones have seen enough days on that field when the relentless cold winds blow. 

[Victory Formation]

  On 1/10/2022 at 4:22 AM, Jrb1979 said:

That's all well and good with what the ticket prices are today. Will the stadium be full when the new stadium comes and tickets are much higher in price? There is no way they stay in the bottom quarter of teams in terms of ticket price. The days of tickets costing less then $100 are over. 

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The decrease in stadium capacity will automatically increase the ticket prices due to supply and demand. Inflation and stadium prices will factor in as well. All in all, the Bills should have no problem filling a 60,000 seat stadium, increased prices or not.

[Ga boy]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:47 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Not to mention how a partial overhang deals with a stiff wind that might get under it.

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Remember the Cowboy stadium that had the trusses from side to side.

[WotAGuy]

  On 1/14/2022 at 9:47 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Not to mention how a partial overhang deals with a stiff wind that might get under it.

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Miami’s stadium roof needs to withstand hurricane force winds. I think they have it figured out. 

[ehfeuh57]

  On 1/15/2022 at 3:27 AM, WotAGuy said:

Miami’s stadium roof needs to withstand hurricane force winds. I think they have it figured out. 

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This is a case for no dome

[Baba Booey]

Look at Ford Field and Lucas Oil Stadiums, these are great stadiums with roofs! Why build a billion dollar stadium that can’t be used for events all year long. I’m for a roofed stadium. If that makes me less of a fan cause I don’t want to freeze my giblets off, so be it. 

[mjd1001]

  On 1/15/2022 at 12:24 PM, Baba Booey said:

Look at Ford Field and Lucas Oil Stadiums, these are great stadiums with roofs! Why build a billion dollar stadium that can’t be used for events all year long. I’m for a roofed stadium. If that makes me less of a fan cause I don’t want to freeze my giblets off, so be it. 

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This is the topic that keeps on giving.

A few others have said something that I agree with, and it best describes my support for dome/indoor/good weather games.   The game is good enough, and complex enough by itself that it doesn't need another variable (weather) added to it....which in most cases that weather takes away from the pure-ness of the game and the pure, high end athleticism we all want to watch.   

 

The game has enough strategy in it, enough one and one battles, enough teamwork, enough strategy.....adding bad weather into the mix adds one more variable but often takes away MORE than one variable of the things that make football a great game.  Bad weather, as we have seen, and take away MANY different aspects of the game and limit what the players and coaches can do effectively. If you love the game, and you love all that is football, why do you want a 'less pure' game where weather can take away a lot of that? I don't. 

Those who say football was meant to be played in bad weather, that is just a 'tough guy' way of saying they want less of a pure game.

[SoCal Deek]

  On 1/14/2022 at 10:18 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

So would you say a full roof is lesser, more than or equal to an overhang?

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A full roof would be equal to or less than the cost of the full overhang structure many have in mind here. 

[K D]

I'm definitely going to buy one of the old stadium seats and put it in my living room and have my wife kick it from behind so I can simulate being at the game

[Buffalo716]

  On 1/15/2022 at 12:24 PM, Baba Booey said:

Look at Ford Field and Lucas Oil Stadiums, these are great stadiums with roofs! Why build a billion dollar stadium that can’t be used for events all year long. I’m for a roofed stadium. If that makes me less of a fan cause I don’t want to freeze my giblets off, so be it. 

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Listen if you want a dome because you don't want to embrace the elements just say it

 

Don't make it about being used for events all year because that's not happening... Jerry world the biggest and best dome in the world... 

 

Has 7 events planned for all of 2022... There aren't a lot of stadium events going on around the country... 

 

And there's not going to be at one in Buffalo...

 

It's a football stadium it should be built for the best football

[Baba Booey]

  On 1/15/2022 at 2:00 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Listen if you want a dome because you don't want to embrace the elements just say it

 

Don't make it about being used for events all year because that's not happening... Jerry world the biggest and best dome in the world... 

 

Has 7 events planned for all of 2022... There aren't a lot of stadium events going on around the country... 

 

And there's not going to be at one in Buffalo...

 

It's a football stadium it should be built for the best football

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And as stated by a previous poster, you get the “best football” when playing where the elements aren’t a factor!!! Answer me this, why is the Super Bowl played down south or in a stadium with a roof? One was in New Jersey and they got lucky that it got through ok!!

[Buffalo716]

  On 1/15/2022 at 6:24 PM, Baba Booey said:

And as stated by a previous poster, you get the “best football” when playing where the elements aren’t a factor!!! Answer me this, why is the Super Bowl played down south or in a stadium with a roof? One was in New Jersey and they got lucky that it got through ok!!

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Riddle me this.. 

 

The Buffalo Bills are 11 and 1 at home in the playoffs at the Ralph .. which obviously takes place in less than ideal conditions 

 

When we had Jack Kemp, Kelly, Allen, the one advantage they have over every quarterback coming to the Ralph..  is they can throw in weather that others can't

 

The only fact of the matter.. is a dome we'll give the opposing quarterback the chance to play his best game... A lot of quarterbacks in the NFL history have came into perfect conditions in a dome and slung the football all over the field

 

That's not happening in Winter conditions at the Ralph.. it's not about making you better it's about making the other team worse

[ganesh]

  On 1/15/2022 at 1:33 PM, KDIGGZ said:

I'm definitely going to buy one of the old stadium seats and put it in my living room and have my wife kick it from behind so I can simulate being at the game

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Will you also get Beer poured over you ?   Go Bills !

[Nextmanup]

  On 1/15/2022 at 6:24 PM, Baba Booey said:

And as stated by a previous poster, you get the “best football” when playing where the elements aren’t a factor!!! Answer me this, why is the Super Bowl played down south or in a stadium with a roof? One was in New Jersey and they got lucky that it got through ok!!

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I can guarantee you the Super Bowl isn't played in warm weather or domes to get "good football" or whatever you're implying.  It's because the corporate/NFL elite who actually attend that game want to do it somewhere warm and nice in winter.  

 

Period.

 

Why do corporations across America set up "winter meetings" on a golf course in FL?  

Same reason.

 

 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

  On 1/15/2022 at 8:03 PM, Nextmanup said:

I can guarantee you the Super Bowl isn't played in warm weather or domes to get "good football" or whatever you're implying.  It's because the corporate/NFL elite who actually attend that game want to do it somewhere warm and nice in winter.  

 

Period.

 

Why do corporations across America set up "winter meetings" on a golf course in FL?  

Same reason.

 

 

 

 

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Pretty much. But, there are a bunch of reasons. They've had it in New York and San Fransisco recently too. Any big metro area is fine.

 

They usually do want to show off new stadiums in the SB, but I still doubt Buffalo would get one. They're not going to risk playing the game under a blizzard. Any game prior to that is fine.

[cba fan]

  On 1/14/2022 at 8:57 PM, Steptide said:

I have a legit question. They say adding a roof to the stadium would be another 300 million dollars (or more). Syracuse just recently renovated the carrier dome and replaced the roof and did all of it for 118 million. Where's the 300 million coming from for buffalo? 

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Carrier dome was engineered to hold a roof. Adding a replacement did not need much new structural support.

For example Highmark is an open air design and the top footprint is very wide and long and whole stadium is laid back as it does not need to support a roof. 

Domes have higher taller grade so roof is manageable for cost and engineering safety.

 

Study shows new Bills stadium could be engineered to hold a roof in the future by building it with support for the roof. Study says this would be about 118 million.(ironic they list same number as Carrier new roof cost if this is true) And would likely change the configuration making it taller, making supports sunk as needed for future weight support etc etc.......

More cost effective to do the roof now but Owners, State, and County, have already decided it is open air.

 

Even though all polls show 70 to 85% of fans want a Dome the owners and state keep saying fans want open air. Weird. Wrong statement. And depending on your opinion, dumb.

  On 1/15/2022 at 7:33 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Riddle me this.. 

 

The Buffalo Bills are 11 and 1 at home in the playoffs at the Ralph .. which obviously takes place in less than ideal conditions 

 

When we had Jack Kemp, Kelly, Allen, the one advantage they have over every quarterback coming to the Ralph..  is they can throw in weather that others can't

 

The only fact of the matter.. is a dome we'll give the opposing quarterback the chance to play his best game... A lot of quarterbacks in the NFL history have came into perfect conditions in a dome and slung the football all over the field

 

That's not happening in Winter conditions at the Ralph.. it's not about making you better it's about making the other team worse

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Bills roll with passing O that Allen is not good in when going against the win. Bills have best chance when Allen is at his best, which is in good weather.

Edited January 15, 2022 by cba fan