If the Bills re-sign Edmunds, they're stupid.

[Shaw66]

23 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

Robert Saleh thinks he's kinda decent too... for any that may have missed from 1/7.

 

 

 

Not that I think I'm kind of football guru, but I've been saying for a couple of years now that I suspect football people think Edmunds is special.   It's pretty amazing to hear a great defensive mind say these things about Edmunds.   Notice that he doesn't say he's a great tackler, and he doesn't say that he's a great instinctive player, the criticism that many have of the guy.   What he says is Edmunds combination of speed and size makes him unique in terms of the amount of the field he covers.   

 

This clip alone convinces me the Bills will keep Edmunds.  

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Max Fischer said:

 

I stand corrected.

 

IMO, Edmunds certainly outperformed the first for years of his contract, and believe he will still be a bargain with the 5th year averaged in. I have no reason to believe Edmunds won't be as good in Year 5 and beyond, which would make an extension not only preferable but close to a necessity. 

I hope he can become as good as Ed.  

[Mango]

23 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

Robert Saleh thinks he's kinda decent too... for any that may have missed from 1/7.

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't know what to think of Edmunds. I love him, but he also drives me nuts. I want to keep him, I don't want to lose him. But I have no interest in paying him $15-18M that I have seen. 

Interesting statement. The comments on Milano are about how instinctual and tough he is (not that Edmunds isn't tough), but the comments on Edmunds are about how big and fast he is. How much space he takes away just by being out there. 

[Max Fischer]

15 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I honestly don't know what to think of Edmunds. I love him, but he also drives me nuts. I want to keep him, I don't want to lose him. But I have no interest in paying him $15-18M that I have seen. 

Interesting statement. The comments on Milano are about how instinctual and tough he is (not that Edmunds isn't tough), but the comments on Edmunds are about how big and fast he is. How much space he takes away just by being out there. 

 

Who is saying $15M to 18M? I have yet to see those numbers from anyone but Bills fans who don't like Edmunds. 5yr/$70M could be on the high end. 

 

[FilthyBeast]

If the Bills do lose Frazier to a HC gig, don't underestimate a potential Edmunds trade this offseason.

 

In fact even if Frazier stays it could happen.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Who is saying $15M to 18M? I have yet to see those numbers from anyone but Bills fans who don't like Edmunds. 5yr/$70M could be on the high end. 

 

I am relying on some reading on last year. But 5 year $70M is still a $14M valuation, and not that far off from where I listed. I would have a tough time valuing Edmunds at $3-4M per year more than Milano. For a guy making $10-11M per year, another $3-4M is a huge increase. 

[FireChans]

On 1/10/2022 at 1:04 PM, 34-78-83 said:

Robert Saleh thinks he's kinda decent too... for any that may have missed from 1/7.

 

 

 

 

Will if this defensive mastermind thinks it....

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I am relying on some reading on last year. But 5 year $70M is still a $14M valuation, and not that far off from where I listed. I would have a tough time valuing Edmunds at $3-4M per year more than Milano. For a guy making $10-11M per year, another $3-4M is a huge increase. 

 

You characterize $3-4M difference as "huge increase" but also $3M ($15M-$18M) as "not that far off . . .

 

First, despite consistent fan predictions/concerns that Edmunds will be paid Leonard, Warner and Wagner money, there is no, zip, nada, evidence that the Bills are considering that salary, no evidence that Edmunds will ask for that kind of money, or that Edmunds is expected to be offered that salary range. Per usual, no one associated with the Bills has said anything, and I've yet to see any non-Bill fan "cap expert" suggest that Edmunds is worth or will be paid like Leonard, Warner and Wagner.

 

Second, many good football experts say Milano and Edmunds positions are interchangeable. I agree, to a point, but the Bills seem to play to their strengths - Milano as a missile to seek and destroy, while Edmunds is much more a space eater, making the pass game much more difficult.  Clearly not everyone agrees, but I think the Bills believe Edmunds' skillset is much harder to replicate than Milano's. The Bills need them both to be an elite defense, but believe the Bills are willing to pay Edmunds more than Milano because Tremaine's replacement would be much, much harder to find, and those worth more to the team.

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

If the Bills do lose Frazier to a HC gig, don't underestimate a potential Edmunds trade this offseason.

 

In fact even if Frazier stays it could happen.

 

Not unless terms start with two early first round picks. 

[Orlando Tim]

8 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

This is a fallacy. NO ONE is suggesting Edmunds would get Darius Leonard money. No one.  

 

IMO, the Bills love Edmunds and believe he is a key reason for why the Bills are a Top 3 defense. It seems certain the Bills will pick up Edmunds' 5th year and then very likely to extend him for around the Sportrac estimate: 5 years, $66,905,730 - or $13,381,146.  Wouldn't be surprised if it's 5/$70. 

 

If the Bills want to replace him with a Free Agent, that's what it will cost (at least).  For those of you who want to replace him with a rookie, tell us how that's not a huge gamble, especially with the Bills in the late rounds and with other much more pressing needs. 

With the salary cap about to pop up I expect all position #s to inflate so I think the 5 years at 70 is gonna be on the low end. I hope we sign him sooner rather than later but I know that unless he is being outrageous he will be resigned. Lastly the Sportrac numbers do not factor in Fred Warner or Leonard contracts and compares him to guys he generally better than besides CJ Mosley.

[Floydboy12]

No way I’d sign Edmunds to extension. Average to poor instincts which haven’t improved and soft. I liked the pick too when it was made due to his measurables. But he’s a mediocre player not worth a huge deal.  Accept the miss and draft another lb. Use the money elsewhere. 

[ColoradoBills]

8 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Who is saying $15M to 18M? I have yet to see those numbers from anyone but Bills fans who don't like Edmunds. 5yr/$70M could be on the high end. 

 

 

Probably spot on.  Spotrac has at 5 years/$67M ($13.3M per)

Milano signed for $10.3M and I'm speculating that Edmunds signs for $12.3M per on a 4 year deal.

[Rk_Bills86]

Isn't he already signed for 12 million next year?

 

That being said i'm fine with 1 more year of him if we can draft his repalcement

[Chandler#81]

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Not that I think I'm kind of football guru, but I've been saying for a couple of years now that I suspect football people think Edmunds is special.   It's pretty amazing to hear a great defensive mind say these things about Edmunds.   Notice that he doesn't say he's a great tackler, and he doesn't say that he's a great instinctive player, the criticism that many have of the guy.   What he says is Edmunds combination of speed and size makes him unique in terms of the amount of the field he covers.   

 

This clip alone convinces me the Bills will keep Edmunds.  

This should be Thread (with the attached prior video) -and I’m sure I’ll regret not ending this farce on this note. 
But this thread is like watching a slow motion car wreck. Just can’t turn away… 🤷‍♂️

[Putin]

On 12/12/2021 at 7:21 PM, Utah John said:

Edmunds is playing the way Frazier wants him to play. Frazier has constructed the D to work as an 11 man unit.  Edmunds is not called on to make those impact plays.  He's there to eat up space on pass D, and to fill gaps on running plays.  Those gaps fills are a problem, I'll agree.  He's just not as bad a player as people here think he is.  

No he’s pretty bad 

[damj]

19 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Who is saying $15M to 18M? I have yet to see those numbers from anyone but Bills fans who don't like Edmunds. 5yr/$70M could be on the high end. 

 

And if it's ~13mil, that's fine. 

 

Maybe the "potential" argument is winding down. We've heard for so long that he's young and has great size and athleticism ... he'll grow into an elite player. I think we're seeing what he is now ... a good player with flaws. I just don't want to see us overpaying if the market still thinks of him in terms of elite potential and seriously overpay.

[BuffaloRebound]

I haven’t been a huge fan of Edmunds, but he’s played better this year and I think all things considered there’s not 5 MLB’s out there who fit better in this defense.  I could live with 5 years $70m.  

[DCOrange]

20 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Who is saying $15M to 18M? I have yet to see those numbers from anyone but Bills fans who don't like Edmunds. 5yr/$70M could be on the high end. 

 

The Bills analyst guys like Cover1 are saying people act like Edmunds will set the market at LB when in reality, he'll probably be valued like Deion Jones, Zach Cunningham, and Myles Jack. They all got just under $15 million per year and considering they all signed a few years ago, it wouldn't be surprising to see him exceed $15 million per.

[dave mcbride]

Edmunds played great in the Jets game. All over the field and a presence in coverage. There's a reason Wilson took all of those sacks.

[DCOrange]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Edmunds played great in the Jets game. All over the field and a presence in coverage. There's a reason Wilson took all of those sacks.

Devil's advocate is that a big reason Wilson took all of those sacks is because that's who Zach Wilson is. He just refuses to take the easy throws. Cover1 was pointing out how often he had open guys underneath but just preferred to run around in circles instead of getting the ball out.

[Mango]

18 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

You characterize $3-4M difference as "huge increase" but also $3M ($15M-$18M) as "not that far off . . .

 

First, despite consistent fan predictions/concerns that Edmunds will be paid Leonard, Warner and Wagner money, there is no, zip, nada, evidence that the Bills are considering that salary, no evidence that Edmunds will ask for that kind of money, or that Edmunds is expected to be offered that salary range. Per usual, no one associated with the Bills has said anything, and I've yet to see any non-Bill fan "cap expert" suggest that Edmunds is worth or will be paid like Leonard, Warner and Wagner.

 

Second, many good football experts say Milano and Edmunds positions are interchangeable. I agree, to a point, but the Bills seem to play to their strengths - Milano as a missile to seek and destroy, while Edmunds is much more a space eater, making the pass game much more difficult.  Clearly not everyone agrees, but I think the Bills believe Edmunds' skillset is much harder to replicate than Milano's. The Bills need them both to be an elite defense, but believe the Bills are willing to pay Edmunds more than Milano because Tremaine's replacement would be much, much harder to find, and those worth more to the team.

 

Not unless terms start with two early first round picks. 

 

No $14M isn't far off of $15M....because it is not. $14 to $18M is a jump, fine. I think I would cringe hard at the $12-15M mark. $15M plus is a hard pass. If we can get this done for the same as Milano's deal I would be OK. And yes Edmunds making $14M to Milano's $10 and change is about a ~35% increase.