SoCal Deek Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 56 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: There are no spending limits given the primary US policy objective to weaken Russia through a proxy war strategy of fighting them down to the last Ukrainian. So our strategy is to weaken Russia AFTER they pummel a free, beautiful country into the dust? Yeah…that’ll show ‘em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So our strategy is to weaken Russia AFTER they pummel a free, beautiful country into the dust? Yeah…that’ll show ‘em! Honest question , what would you do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: There are no spending limits given the primary US policy objective to weaken Russia through a proxy war strategy of fighting them down to the last Ukrainian. It's almost as if we are forcing Russia to show their hand. Putin is psycho, he's gonna retaliate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So our strategy is to weaken Russia AFTER they pummel a free, beautiful country into the dust? Yeah…that’ll show ‘em! Hey.. I don't make policy. I just try to interpret what's going on the best I can. I'm sticking to my basic premise this war could have been avoided with a genuine effort and desire from all parties to reach some mutually agreeable compromise. Its a shameful waste of life and a cause of much unnecessary suffering. But all the involved parties only see conditions and circumstances through the lens of their interests and views, dig in their heels, and fail to understand or assess the interests and positions from the other guys viewpoint. Like it or not, Russia views NATO as an extension of the US government and the Pentagon. And sees the European countries that belong to the alliance as vassal States doing the bidding of America while putting the interests of their countries on the back burner. That's not my view. That's just me comprehending their view. I don't see another $33B as leading to any type of resolution other than prolonging the war. Why not just take that $33B and offer each Russian soldier that defects or surrenders $100K each? If my math is correct that would cover 330K soldiers, essentially the entire Russian force. That might end the war and get nobody killed? Shamefully, that unconventional approach won't feather the nests of the defense industry and retiring Pentagon Generals that join their BOD's when they "retire". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Hey.. I don't make policy. I just try to interpret what's going on the best I can. I'm sticking to my basic premise this war could have been avoided with a genuine effort and desire from all parties to reach some mutually agreeable compromise. Its a shameful waste of life and a cause of much unnecessary suffering. But all the involved parties only see conditions and circumstances through the lens of their interests and views, dig in their heels, and fail to understand or assess the interests and positions from the other guys viewpoint. Russia's said it over and over again. They don't want peace, they want to win. For them, winning is erasing Ukraine and Ukrainians from the history books through torture, murder, reeducation and deportation. Ukraine's offered concessions for peace, Russia has rejected them all. Zelensky called Putin personally the day before the invasion because he thought it was a bluff and wanted to negotiate more. Putin didn't pick up the phone. One side wants to annihilate the other side, and says so repeatedly. What I don't understand are people saying "well they really should find common ground and wrap this thing up". Great, what's the common ground between a free country vs. we're going to destroy you utterly and have fun doing it? Edited April 29, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 10 Days Into Putin's 'New Phase' of Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, There Are Minor Advances but the Clock Is Ticking https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/28/10-days-into-putins-new-phase-of-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-there-are-minor-advances-but-the-clock-is-ticking-n557407 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 Killing the free press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coffeesforclosers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Yup. I think it's safe to say that everyone in this thread hopes Ukraine is doing as well as they're telling us they're doing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, ALF said: Honest question , what would you do ? Honest answer: Get actual adults in the room to stop this kind of needless bloodshed and destruction BEFORE it gets started. This was NOT a sneak attack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Honest answer: Get actual adults in the room to stop this kind of needless bloodshed and destruction BEFORE it gets started. This was NOT a sneak attack! Interesting concept. Who were the children in the room? Was Putin serious about negotiating? NATO abandon all eastern European countries? Would that and his Ukrainian demands satisfied him enough to stand down? Can you point to any instance in all this where the Russians have negotiated in good faith? Or is it all for propaganda and show? This took wing in 2014 and Putin banked that Ukraine didn't have the willpower and Europe was too economically tied to grow a backbone. Wrong on both counts. Now Lukashenko lets the cat formally out of the bag with the USSR invite. How many other "nazis" or persecuted Russian speaking people will Putin need to rescue in these other countries? I don't see an equivalency between both sides here. Can you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 I wonder if the Russian people are even aware of how disgusted the rest of the world is with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Interesting concept. Who were the children in the room? Was Putin serious about negotiating? NATO abandon all eastern European countries? Would that and his Ukrainian demands satisfied him enough to stand down? Can you point to any instance in all this where the Russians have negotiated in good faith? Or is it all for propaganda and show? This took wing in 2014 and Putin banked that Ukraine didn't have the willpower and Europe was too economically tied to grow a backbone. Wrong on both counts. Now Lukashenko lets the cat formally out of the bag with the USSR invite. How many other "nazis" or persecuted Russian speaking people will Putin need to rescue in these other countries? I don't see an equivalency between both sides here. Can you? Equivalence? What are you prattling on about? If the free world didn’t want Putin to attack and pummel the crap out of Ukraine then the time to stop that mad man was BEFORE a single Russian tank crossed the border. Instead our world ‘leaders’ did …oh yeah…nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Equivalence? What are you prattling on about? If the free world didn’t want Putin to attack and pummel the crap out of Ukraine then the time to stop that mad man was BEFORE a single Russian tank crossed the border. Instead our world ‘leaders’ did …oh yeah…nothing. Sure, and how exactly were they going to do that short of starting WW III? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Sure, and how exactly were they going to do that short of starting WW III? Oh I see….there’s nothing short of WWIII? So in your view the rest of world is completely impotent? Yes…I’m sure you’re right. I do have to wonder why it took Putin until just now to figure that out. Give me a break! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Russians plunder $5M farm vehicles from Ukraine -- to find they've been remotely disabled But after a journey of more than 700 miles, the thieves were unable to use any of the equipment -- because it had been locked remotely. Over the past few weeks there's been a growing number of reports of Russian troops stealing farm equipment, grain and even building materials - beyond widespread looting of residences. But the removal of valuable agricultural equipment from a John Deere dealership in Melitopol speaks to an increasingly organized operation, one that even uses Russian military transport as part of the heist. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, ALF said: But the removal of valuable agricultural equipment from a John Deere dealership in Melitopol speaks to an increasingly organized operation, one that even uses Russian military transport as part of the heist. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html Kelly'skis heroes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Remember when Conald hosted this POS in our White House? Look at Conald getting played by the Russians as he revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Doc said: https://youtu.be/keXx0zxTarE Did Obama take 15 boxes of classified information from the WH to his mansion? Did Obama’s son in law struggle to get a security clearance at the WH and share classified info with his Saudi friends who in turn gave him $2 billion dollars? 2 hours ago, Doc said: That's why while I haven't blocked him, I don't engage with him anymore. lolz Edited May 1, 2022 by BillStime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 Interesting on tanks 4 hours ago, ALF said: Russians plunder $5M farm vehicles from Ukraine -- to find they've been remotely disabled But after a journey of more than 700 miles, the thieves were unable to use any of the equipment -- because it had been locked remotely. Over the past few weeks there's been a growing number of reports of Russian troops stealing farm equipment, grain and even building materials - beyond widespread looting of residences. But the removal of valuable agricultural equipment from a John Deere dealership in Melitopol speaks to an increasingly organized operation, one that even uses Russian military transport as part of the heist. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html Massive organized plunder. Putin's morality on display. The sooner they scum is gone the better place the world will be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tenhigh Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 On 4/29/2022 at 12:39 PM, Coffeesforclosers said: Yup. I think it's safe to say that everyone in this thread hopes Ukraine is doing as well as they're telling us they're doing. I hope so, but don't you think its a little weird that the press is unilaterally taking them at their word, seemingly without doing any actual investigating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDD Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: I hope so, but don't you think its a little weird that the press is unilaterally taking them at their word, seemingly without doing any actual investigating? I'm not sure what you would like them to do. The war zone is a very dangerous place and nobody is safe on the front lines. This is unlike other modern wars that we have been involved in because it is between two flagged states. Iraq and Afghanistan were largely insurgent wars with imbedded American journalists with our troops almost at every turn. This is far different and getting real time journalism in a very active and dangerous war zone or reliable information from an aggressive dictatorship (Russia) or a defensively postured country that is fighting for its existence (Ukraine) is next to impossible. Ukraine has been reticent to even take credit for some of their major scores because they don't want to give up any info that might expose their forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coffeesforclosers Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Tenhigh said: I hope so, but don't you think its a little weird that the press is unilaterally taking them at their word, seemingly without doing any actual investigating? The facts are there, you've just got sift through the BS. Which includes stuff you very much might want to agree with. As for whatever the media is saying, the only bits I see are what gets posted on this thread. If I watch news, I watch PBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 On 5/1/2022 at 7:38 AM, Tiberius said: Libs here aren't gonna like Pelosi getting an award based on gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Are they biologists? Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 3 hours ago, LDD said: I'm not sure what you would like them to do. The war zone is a very dangerous place and nobody is safe on the front lines. This is unlike other modern wars that we have been involved in because it is between two flagged states. Iraq and Afghanistan were largely insurgent wars with imbedded American journalists with our troops almost at every turn. This is far different and getting real time journalism in a very active and dangerous war zone or reliable information from an aggressive dictatorship (Russia) or a defensively postured country that is fighting for its existence (Ukraine) is next to impossible. Ukraine has been reticent to even take credit for some of their major scores because they don't want to give up any info that might expose their forces. It would be cool if they at least tried verified stories before they printed them, no? Or are you saying the news outlets should play along because Putin is evil? 1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The facts are there, you've just got sift through the BS. Which includes stuff you very much might want to agree with. As for whatever the media is saying, the only bits I see are what gets posted on this thread. If I watch news, I watch PBS. There is a lot of BS even still, but not as much as in the first few weeks of the invasion. And it was weird how it happened, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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