nucci Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, zow2 said: The problem I always have with officiating is that they seem to want to be an integral part of the game. They should administrate the game.. keep the peace on the field, and make calls that are egregious. No one wants to see the ticky tack crap called that has no effect on the play. Don't throw a PI flag when you *think* there is contact. Only throw flags when stuff is 100% obvious. 12 men on the field when player is a foot away from the sideline and no where near the play.....that doesn't need to be called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, nucci said: 12 men on the field when player is a foot away from the sideline and no where near the play.....that doesn't need to be called Very true. Nor does calling holding on a running play or catch & run.. when the guy grabbing a piece of jersey is 20 yards away on the other side of the field and has absolutely nothing to do with the play. It's refs looking to make calls. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Gugny said: The flag was thrown for taunting ... which the player clearly did. The "bump" had nothing to do with the flag being thrown. The biggest crime on Monday Nights is that God awful crew followed by that idiot Van Pelt. So the bump was just coincidence? Because it sure looks to me like no flag was coming until that happened… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, zow2 said: Very true. Nor does calling holding on a running play or catch & run.. when the guy grabbing a piece of jersey is 20 yards away on the other side of the field and has absolutely nothing to do with the play. It's refs looking to make calls. Correct. Like many things in life you need judgement, which seems totally lacking in nfl officiating. Makes the games unwatchable and damages an otherwise good product. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 10 hours ago, SCBills said: Noticing more and more people call out officiating this year. It’s bad, and more than just the typical “refs hate us” fans are talking about it. I think the players gotta voicing their opinions, it’s them who it effects most. Refs aren’t held accountable but players get fined speaking out. It’s sad but they gonna have to take them until ***** changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 42 minutes ago, Rico said: Someone on YouTube should do a deep dive on the most corrupt officials. Point out examples of their most egregious calls, then do a hatchet job on where they live, where they work, etc. if they do a good enough job with the presentation, the vast number of hits they would get could prove to be very lucrative! Agree, it makes me wonder how many times the league have used their lawyers to erase that type of content though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, mannc said: So the bump was just coincidence? Because it sure looks to me like no flag was coming until that happened… They were two separate actions. He did have his hand on the flag prior to the bump. I think the ref was wrong in backing into the player. But the taunting call was absolutely warranted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I've been saying this for over 25 years. Do you not remember the infamous Seattle Pittsburgh SB. The league will always take care of its favorite blue blood organizations. And those that ignore it are just naive. Then why bother being a Bills Backer in LA. Why not cheer for the LA team since the Bills will never win. I'm expecting them to lose this week and New England to win. That's the way it's going to play out right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, nucci said: 12 men on the field when player is a foot away from the sideline and no where near the play.....that doesn't need to be called Yes it does. This way NO room for judgment calls. Which are the reason this discussion here exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 The state of officiating is and always has been exactly where the NFL wants it. Existing with zero accountability for the refs. Once the NFL calls out one ref and makes an example of him, they’ll have to continue to do so…..which is why things will continue as they have. Business as usual, swept up the rug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Gugny said: They were two separate actions. He did have his hand on the flag prior to the bump. I think the ref was wrong in backing into the player. But the taunting call was absolutely warranted. You have no idea if it was warranted or not. That’s the problem with the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Yes it does. This way NO room for judgment calls. Which are the reason this discussion here exists. I get it, and I think that's a good argument. It also like the "delay of game" penalty when the offense snaps the ball right as the play clock expires. Who's delaying the game now? But yeah, you have to call those, even though it can come across as counterproductive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Last night was a disgrace - and really, this season has been terrible all around for officiating. It almost reminds me of when they had replacement refs. Jobs are on the line w/ these games. Nagy will probably get fired anyway, but who knows? A win last night over a good Steelers team might have gotten that Bears team on track. It wasn't just the taunting. There were a few egregiously bad, phantom calls that cost the Bears points. After watching the flag festival that was the Bills/Jags game, I was really dismayed watching that game yesterday. Everyone says that you have to overcome bad calls, but it does reach a point where you simply can't. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, mannc said: You have no idea if it was warranted or not. That’s the problem with the rule. I don't? I saw a player choose to walk toward his opponents' sideline, making gestures - rather than retreat to his own sideline. It was taunting. Textbook. And KNOWING that taunting was a major point of emphasis, it was nothing short of asinine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I've said it a dozen times. REPLACE THEM with AI. They are literally no longer needed. They do more harm than good. Save the league some $. AI calls without bias. NEXT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, Gugny said: I don't? I saw a player choose to walk toward his opponents' sideline, making gestures - rather than retreat to his own sideline. It was taunting. Textbook. And KNOWING that taunting was a major point of emphasis, it was nothing short of asinine. What were these gestures that you saw? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 The 2nd video is all you need to see. That plus the push for legalized gambling and it's obvious what's going on. For those interested, watch the banned Frontline documentary from 1980 about the NFL's history with gambling/Vegas. It's on Youtube. You'd have to be a rube to think that everything is kosher. This is my worry about the Bills. Will the NFL allow them to win the Super Bowl? You guys saw the 1st half of that Jaguars game. And that was probably all about the line. What about if they want to affect the outcome? Remember the Chiefs game and Collinsworth drooling on the Chiefs and not giving Allen respect? Was that outcome not what the NFL wanted? Things start to make sense all of a sudden. How about the entire league and media pretending like Mahomes didn't have a concussion against the Browns in last year's playoffs so he could play against the Bills? Then allowing the Chiefs to get away with holding all game long, then suddenly not allowing it against Brady and the Bucs. The incompetence argument only goes so far. These rules are written to purposely be subjective, complex, and vague. So outcomes can be manipulated based on subjective decisions and "new rules" and mystery calls to "New York". And apparently "men in black" referees when all else fails. Has THAT ever been fully explained or even investigated by our crack team of local news experts. Or is there nothing to see there? Thought so. My only hope is that the NFL gives the Bills a Super Bowl in order to push the new stadium through. Even then, all we can ever hope for is 1 championship. I'll end with this. Keep in mind that he won the Super Bowl. Not a sore loser talking here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Steptide said: Really tired of people saying these flags don't effect the outcome. It does. End of story lol, the cover 1 post game, and i generally really like those guys, were sort of going on to say the penalties weren't he reason why we lost. im not sure if they meant to say the bills played horribly and deserved to lose (true) or if they were trying to not run afoul of the NFL by pointing the finger at the Refs. that said, they showed the 4th and 2 call of false start on us that was actually off sides on the D, a play call that likely would have changed the entire outcome of the game. maybe they have to say that for politics, and then they can show the truth in the program. i will say, and that ref from the NBA who called a couple games for whoever (not a network i don't think) showing the make up calls and favoritism (he's the one who got busted shaving points), makes it clear to me that while the NFL might not be in on some kind of fix, a really low standard of officiating and part time refs not making a whole lot of money is a bit of a vulnerability for gambling/shenanigans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I don't? I saw a player choose to walk toward his opponents' sideline, making gestures - rather than retreat to his own sideline. It was taunting. Textbook. And KNOWING that taunting was a major point of emphasis, it was nothing short of asinine. What gestures did he make? Why not just make it a 15-yard penalty not to retreat to your own bench area after every play, if it's based on him "walking toward his opponents' sideline"? Are the Steelers such snowflakes that they need protection from an opposing player walking toward their sideline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, mannc said: What gestures did he make? Why not just make it a 15-yard penalty not to retreat to your own bench area after every play, if it's based on him "walking toward his opponents' sideline"? Are the Steelers such snowflakes that they need protection from an opposing player walking toward their sideline? Not gestures, per se. But he walked toward the opposing team's bench and stared them down after making a huge play. That's taunting. I think the rule is asinine - don't get me wrong. But it's the rule and if a player breaks it, they're gonna get flagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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