[Edit] Jon Gruden resigns over controversial emails discovered in WFT investigation

[Malazan]

58 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

Pretty sure he's compensated well to be really, really bad. He's so bad he's good.

 

Ok, you wanted to share that he's compensated really well for not having much in the way of actual results? So he's like a lot of CEOs?

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Mango said:

Well that’s a terrible response to hitting pregnant woman and raping somebody in the bathroom of a bar…

 

Jesus Christ. I’m actually floored. 

Not at all. Those things are terrible and people should be punished for them..  My point is that if someone hacked YOUR phone, and posted your text history to the internet, you'd probably be fired.  

Edited October 13, 2021 by Tenhigh

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Not at all. Those things are terrible and people should be punished for them..  My point is that if someone hacked YOUR phone, and posted your text history to the internet, you'd probably be fired.  

My e-mails and texts are as clean and fresh as the driven snow. 

 

Some of my posts on this board though drifted.  

Edited October 13, 2021 by Rico

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Not at all. Those things are terrible and people should be punished for them..  My point is that if someone hacked YOUR phone, and posted your text history to the internet, you'd probably be fired.  

Nah. Divorced maybe though.   Racism, homophobia, sexism in my opinion is a disease of the uneducated.  Obviously there are exceptions to everything.    

[pocoboy]

5 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

Ok, you wanted to share that he's compensated really well for not having much in the way of actual results? So he's like a lot of CEOs?

 

I get it might be too nuanced for you. He got results, but for the owners' benefit (17 and maybe 18 games the primary one). They leaked an email which very likely helped to get him reelected. Seems like compensation to me.

[Bangarang]

35 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

So what do you want?    Big Ben may have been a rapist but he was never even criminally charged, let alone convicted.  Do you want the NFL to punish every player who gets accused of something?

 

And the NFL did not discipline Gruden.  He resigned.  Maybe he was forced to resign by Mark Davis.  I don't know.  But his departure was inevitable.  Gruden couldn't effectively lead his players with all this stuff coming out.  

Personally, I've lost all respect for Chuckie.  He got what he deserved.  I wish Big Ben and all the other a-holes in the NFL get what they deserve, too.  But, sometimes, it just doesn't work out that way.  

I already said I want the league to be consistent with how they address and treat certain behavior.

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

I get it might be too nuanced for you. He got results, but for the owners' benefit (17 and maybe 18 games the primary one). They leaked an email which very likely helped to get him reelected. Seems like compensation to me.

Was it leaked before the vote took place?  Seems like it might’ve cone out after.  

[marky]

54 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Look, I respect all of America's good cops.  Chauvin wasn't one of them.  He killed a man, brought shame on the uniform, and deserves his time in jail.

 

The big difference is Chauvin was caught on video.  OJ's criminal act doesn't have any witnesses at all.

 

One of the tenets of American justice is known as Blackstone's Ratio: "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"

 

And that's why OJ's free.  Because he just might have been innocent.  

 

That's what it should be. What it really is? Lawless barbarity and lazy fools. Murders are caught on video, and they're let out. The school shooter out on bail. The 70 shot gunfight with no charges because of mutual combat.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

Not at all. Those things are terrible and people should be punished for them..  My point is that if someone hacked YOUR phone, and posted your text history to the internet, you'd probably be fired.  

 

I personally live my life according to the "Wall Street Journal Test."  I ask myself: If what I'm about to do gets exposed in the Wall Street Journal, will I be embarrassed?   If the answer is yes, I don't do it.  

 

Obviously, I wouldn't want my bedroom activities to be reported by a media outlet.  But other than that, I'm good with everything I do coming out in the open.  There aren't any texts or emails I'd be afraid to have published.  If you hack my life, I won't get fired.  Not even close.  

 

I'm sure many, many other people can say the same.

40 minutes ago, beavis said:

 

That's what it should be. What it really is? Lawless barbarity and lazy fools. Murders are caught on video, and they're let out. The school shooter out on bail. The 70 shot gunfight with no charges because of mutual combat.

 

You're right.  We live in an imperfect country with imperfect people and an imperfect justice system.

None of that gives me any sympathy for Gruden.  

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, pocoboy said:

I get it might be too nuanced for you. He got results, but for the owners' benefit (17 and maybe 18 games the primary one). They leaked an email which very likely helped to get him reelected. Seems like compensation to me.

 

I think you could use a new razor, my friend. Hanlon makes a nice one. 

 

[uticaclub]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

The bucs are going for a super bowl run and don’t want the distraction. They don’t want the players to be asked about gruden and all that so they just ended the story there.  It was the absolute smartest thing to do. 
 

Gruden needed and needs a better apology. Own it, apologize, go on some kind of learning tour and maybe he can redeem himself. 

I think Gruden should double down, ***** apologizing at this point.

[Chandler#81]

Incredible story.

 

Anybody else read the thread title and think Gruden penned a letter when he was 10 y/o?

🤷‍♂️

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

Incredible story.

 

Anybody else read the thread title and think Gruden penned a letter when he was 10 y/o?

🤷‍♂️

I mean mentally might not be too far off.

[Chandler#81]

Just now, Warcodered said:

I mean mentally might not be too far off.

So, I was right?😳

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

4 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

 

Yes, but the earlier discussion was specifically in reference to the wife & friend murdering....the Vegas rip-off was indeed in criminal court. 

 

(This entire discussion all the more shows why he should be removed from the Wall). 

[prissythecat]

On 10/11/2021 at 10:01 PM, Bruffalo said:

Nate Peterman after hearing Gruden is out...

 

I'm wondering if new regime will be as enamored with Peterman.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

Not at all. Those things are terrible and people should be punished for them..  My point is that if someone hacked YOUR phone, and posted your text history to the internet, you'd probably be fired.  

 

I keep reading this, and I honestly think it's bunk.

 

It's not like I'm lily pure or something, but I have never made fun of someone with racial memes or used epiphets and sexual innuendo to insult people at the highest level in the industry where I worked.  Neither has anyone that I worked with or who worked for me to the best of my knowledge.

 

You simply don't have to have a very high level of "couth" to avoid that stuff.

[Tenhigh]

35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I keep reading this, and I honestly think it's bunk.

 

It's not like I'm lily pure or something, but I have never made fun of someone with racial memes or used epiphets and sexual innuendo to insult people at the highest level in the industry where I worked.  Neither has anyone that I worked with or who worked for me to the best of my knowledge.

 

You simply don't have to have a very high level of "couth" to avoid that stuff.

Its not about insulting people at the highest level of anything, its that any private remark could be used to take someone down.  And yes I know that it was his work email, but it really doesn't matter.  Regardless, bully for you if you haven't EVER sent or received and chuckled at an off color meme.  

[eball]

6 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

Not at all. Those things are terrible and people should be punished for them..  My point is that if someone hacked YOUR phone, and posted your text history to the internet, you'd probably be fired.  

 

56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I keep reading this, and I honestly think it's bunk.

 

It's not like I'm lily pure or something, but I have never made fun of someone with racial memes or used epiphets and sexual innuendo to insult people at the highest level in the industry where I worked.  Neither has anyone that I worked with or who worked for me to the best of my knowledge.

 

You simply don't have to have a very high level of "couth" to avoid that stuff.

 

I’m with Hap on this and call b.s.

 

[Tenhigh]

4 minutes ago, eball said:

 

 

I’m with Hap on this and call b.s.

 

Good for you, that's why they have the "agree" emoji.  Now stop lamping and post all of your texts online so we can judge you.

Edited October 13, 2021 by Tenhigh