Buffalo03 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Did anyone else ever see him as a HOF player? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Absolutely, he was terrific in his prime. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 I'd have to look at his stats but from memory he was Hall of Very Good. I've had this problem for a while now, a lot of guys get in who I don't think should, but that's just me. I think the HOF should be the absolute best of the best, the real legends, if that means less people going in so be it. The one that always comes to mind and has caused many arguments with me and people in bars is Kurt Warner. Very good player who had some great seasons and a great story, but to me, over the entire course of his career, he wasn't quite HOF. Now I know lots of people will disagree with that and that's great, but it's one of the reasons I think the HOF has become devalued a little 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Only because he was one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 I mean…. He’s no Christian Wade, but he was decent in a few games. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: I'd have to look at his stats but from memory he was Hall of Very Good. I've had this problem for a while now, a lot of guys get in who I don't think should, but that's just me. I think the HOF should be the absolute best of the best, the real legends, if that means less people going in so be it. The one that always comes to mind and has caused many arguments with me and people in bars is Kurt Warner. Very good player who had some great seasons and a great story, but to me, over the entire course of his career, he wasn't quite HOF. Now I know lots of people will disagree with that and that's great, but it's one of the reasons I think the HOF has become devalued a little The reason why I do think Kurt Warner is a HOF player is because of the franchises he turned around. The Rams were absolute garbage when he took over and he got them to a Super Bowl in his first year as a starter. He took them to 2 Super Bowls and although he had Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce, it's not the "Greatest Show on Turf" without him. After a couple rough years with injuries and a year as a lame duck QB as a backup to Eli, he goes to Arizona and takes over for Matt Leinart and turns around another garbage team, who despite having Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin (which the other QBs they had did nothing with) he takes them to a Super Bowl and has the Cardinals right there to beat the Steelers. He took the freaking Cardinals to a Super Bowl. 2 franchises that were junk before he got there, he turned around. That is HOF worthy to me 7 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Did anyone else ever see him as a HOF player? Borderline but yeah there’s a case to be made he is HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: I'd have to look at his stats but from memory he was Hall of Very Good. I've had this problem for a while now, a lot of guys get in who I don't think should, but that's just me. I think the HOF should be the absolute best of the best, the real legends, if that means less people going in so be it. The one that always comes to mind and has caused many arguments with me and people in bars is Kurt Warner. Very good player who had some great seasons and a great story, but to me, over the entire course of his career, he wasn't quite HOF. Now I know lots of people will disagree with that and that's great, but it's one of the reasons I think the HOF has become devalued a little Ya. You certainly need to go look at his stats. over 15,000 scrimmage yards. He ran for 1500 yds or more 4 times and 1200 yds or more 6 times. He led the league in rushing twice and was easily regarded as a top 5 back for the first 6 to 7 years of his career. He also accumulated 430 receptions over his 11 years. James was considered Elite for a good stretch of his career. “Very good” doesn’t sum up most of his career. The guy was truly elite for a long stretch. Edited August 7, 2021 by Stank_Nasty 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Steve Tasker would be a better choice 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: The reason why I do think Kurt Warner is a HOF player is because of the franchises he turned around. The Rams were absolute garbage when he took over and he got them to a Super Bowl in his first year as a starter. He took them to 2 Super Bowls and although he had Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce, it's not the "Greatest Show on Turf" without him. After a couple rough years with injuries and a year as a lame duck QB as a backup to Eli, he goes to Arizona and takes over for Matt Leinart and turns around another garbage team, who despite having Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin (which the other QBs they had did nothing with) he takes them to a Super Bowl and has the Cardinals right there to beat the Steelers. He took the freaking Cardinals to a Super Bowl. 2 franchises that were junk before he got there, he turned around. That is HOF worthy to me Yeah I do get the argument for him being in there. He did bookend his career brilliantly with the Super Bowls for different teams, and very nearly pulling off a win for the Cards. The down years in the middle have always bothered me with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: The reason why I do think Kurt Warner is a HOF player is because of the franchises he turned around. The Rams were absolute garbage when he took over and he got them to a Super Bowl in his first year as a starter. He took them to 2 Super Bowls and although he had Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce, it's not the "Greatest Show on Turf" without him. After a couple rough years with injuries and a year as a lame duck QB as a backup to Eli, he goes to Arizona and takes over for Matt Leinart and turns around another garbage team, who despite having Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin (which the other QBs they had did nothing with) he takes them to a Super Bowl and has the Cardinals right there to beat the Steelers. He took the freaking Cardinals to a Super Bowl. 2 franchises that were junk before he got there, he turned around. That is HOF worthy to me I think that is a great analysis of Kurt Warner Buffalo 03. I loved his game. His first season with the Rams is one of Legend. Didn't he throw for over 300 yards and 3TD's in his first 3 games. The way he threw a football was a thing of beauty. Also a great leader and seemed to be a real good guy. He was as good as anyone who played the position during his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 If Terrell Davis could get in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 He was very good. HOF worthy? Yeah, I guess. Seen a lot of players less qualified let in. Almost 16,000 scrimmage yards in a career is impressive. Never duplicated his magnificent rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 The interesting one will be Frank Gore. Was Gore ever elite? Maybe one year? But he has like 17,000 scrimmage yards. HOF worthy IMO. But never a guy who was really elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: The interesting one will be Frank Gore. Was Gore ever elite? Maybe one year? But he has like 17,000 scrimmage yards. HOF worthy IMO. But never a guy who was really elite. 1st time ballet for sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: The interesting one will be Frank Gore. Was Gore ever elite? Maybe one year? But he has like 17,000 scrimmage yards. HOF worthy IMO. But never a guy who was really elite. Thats a great point. Does longevity count towards getting in the HOF? I mean sure stats do but it took Gore almost 20 seasons to get them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Steve Tasker would be a better choice Or that Zack E..Z guy. Oh wait wrong thread. What about Deshaun, crap never mind. What’s going on with Rodgers? I heard there might be a …. Oh forget it. Seriously James was worthy IMO. The stats mentioned by Nasty above really spell it out. His knees later in his career is probably where one would think is he.. I really thought Indy was nuts letting Faulk go until I saw how good James was following him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Just now, Canadian Bills Fan said: Thats a great point. Does longevity count towards getting in the HOF? I mean sure stats do but it took Gore almost 20 seasons to get them I think it does play a role. Some players are just incredibly unique even if they are were never elite at their position. That is one reason why I think Fitz actually does deserve consideration. Especially if he has a good season with Washington and leads them to the post-season. Never elite, besides 4 game stretches in September and early October. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: He was very good. HOF worthy? Yeah, I guess. Seen a lot of players less qualified let in. Almost 16,000 scrimmage yards in a career is impressive. Never duplicated his magnificent rookie season. He ran for more yards the next year and the then in years 6 and 7 had 2 more 1500+ Yd rushing seasons. So I don’t really agree with that. He was an elite back for a good stretch of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said: I'd have to look at his stats but from memory he was Hall of Very Good. I've had this problem for a while now, a lot of guys get in who I don't think should, but that's just me. I think the HOF should be the absolute best of the best, the real legends, if that means less people going in so be it. The one that always comes to mind and has caused many arguments with me and people in bars is Kurt Warner. Very good player who had some great seasons and a great story, but to me, over the entire course of his career, he wasn't quite HOF. Now I know lots of people will disagree with that and that's great, but it's one of the reasons I think the HOF has become devalued a little My argument for Kurt is you cannot tell the story of the NFL without the greatest show on turf. It was an offense ahead of its time in many ways Quarterbacked by a nobody who became the MVP. I think Eli Manning (who will make it) gets in for the same reason. I think Kurt was a better Quarterback at his best than Eli at his. But to me they both belong in the hall. Philip Rivers will be the most intriguing. I think he is pretty much a lock to get in but I don't think he should be. EDIT: on Edg James I did think Hall of Very Good but he isn't a player whose making it offends me. Edited August 8, 2021 by GunnerBill 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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