Afghanistan

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

We have you numbskull.  

My issue is how do you do it? And how do you prevent the next generation from doing the same thing?

 

I think there needs to be a wider view of the whole issue.

 

Bernie and Warren can work on that.

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, Governor said:

That’s the position he’s taking? That breaks against the narrative of this board that seems to think we’re supposed to have zero casualties and save everyone.

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

My issue is how do you do it? And how do you prevent the next generation from doing the same thing?

 

I think there needs to be a wider view of the whole issue.

 

Bernie and Warren can work on that.

 

The next generation from doing what?  Being dumb asses?  Having parents that are dumbasses?  Thinking $150k in student loans for a degree in Interpretive Dance in the 20th Century is a great thing?   Stupid should hurt and financial hurt is real.  

Just now, BillStime said:

 

 

What is horrible in that what Trump said Twit for Brains?  

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Governor said:

That’s the position he’s taking? That breaks against the narrative of this board that seems to think we’re supposed to have zero casualties and save everyone.

I think the appropriate narrative is the execution of the administration's withdrawal plan doesn't have any concern for the potential level of casualties.  If it did then logically you'd withdraw your non-combatant civilian population first and then withdraw your military forces protecting them afterward.  Not abandon defenseless civilians, suddenly wake up from a policy coma and realize they're in danger, and then be forced to re-insert the military to face even greater risks once the hostiles took over the territory than if you did it the right way.  Biden's strategy is closer to saving the minimum number of people than it is to saving everyone.

 

    

[Governor]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

The next generation from doing what?  Being dumb asses?  Having parents that are dumbasses?  Thinking $150k in student loans for a degree in Interpretive Dance in the 20th Century is a great thing?   Stupid should hurt and financial hurt is real.  

Well, that’s where the battle is. You think that private colleges with fake degrees should be able to rape the citizens and it’s not their problem if they were tricked and signed the dotted line to attend a fake school that might not be accredited 2 years down the road because muh free market.

 

Well, we see where that got us.

 

 

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

 

What is horrible in that what Trump said Twit for Brains?  

 

 

"Well, well, Bill Kristol said so"

[ALF]

29 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

 

What a wonderful way to teach your son how the real world doesn't work.  Bravo! 

 

Relax they have been paying back their student loans.  

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

Well, that’s where the battle is. You think that private colleges with fake degrees should be able to rape the citizens and it’s not their problem if they were tricked and signed the dotted line to attend a fake school that might not be accredited 2 years down the road because muh free market.

 

Well, we see where that got us.

 

 

 

Rape citizens??   Again. Stupid should hurt.  Not my fault someone didn't do their research and let little Johnny go to some stupid school for some stupid degree.  Why should I be on the hook for that?  Life has risks. I'm not paying for yours.  

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think the appropriate narrative is the execution of the administration's withdrawal plan doesn't have any concern for the potential level of casualties.  If it did then logically you'd withdraw your non-combatant civilian population first and then withdraw your military forces protecting them afterward.  Not abandon defenseless civilians, suddenly wake up from a policy coma and realize they're in danger, and then be forced to re-insert the military to face even greater risks once the hostiles took over the territory than if you did it the right way.  Biden's strategy is closer to saving the minimum number of people than it is to saving everyone.

 

    

I think it may appear that way on tv, but we really have no idea how the military is handling the possible scenarios here.

 

Trump’s comments are more about “where” these people are supposed to go, and I think that’s a pretty weird and tone deaf way to look at it presently.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

 

Relax they have been paying back their student loans.  

 

Good for them.  

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Rape citizens??   Again. Stupid should hurt.  Not my fault someone didn't do their research and let little Johnny go to some stupid school for some stupid degree.  Why should I be on the hook for that?  Life has risks. I'm not paying for yours.  

So every person that was recruited out of the military by ITT Tech and had their GI bill stolen by a school that no longer exists and has zero accreditation, is just SOL?

[Doc]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Hey, I wouldn't dismiss that scenario.   How about the administration enlisting the support of a couple hundred thousand members of the greatest threat to democracy?  All those "white supremacist" guys they claim are running around out there.   

Send this "red neck army" over to Afghanistan and offer 100 bucks a head for every Taliban or ISIS thug and dirt bag they take out.  And if they end up getting shot or killed then its just one less "domestic terrorist" to worry about!  Kill two birds with one stone, no pun intended.

Hey maybe even generate some revenue for selling them "Taliban and ISIS hunting licenses".  It would be more sport than shooting unarmed Deer and Rabbits.  This might be a win/win for everybody!  Because what's needed more than anything to address this problem is some creative out of the box thinking.       

 

  

 

Sell MAGA merch: Make Afghanistan Great Again.

 

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Bill Kristol needs to STFU.  He's partly responsible for Biden being in office right now.

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Governor said:

So every person that was recruited out of the military by ITT Tech and had their GI bill stolen by a school that no longer exists and has zero accreditation, is just SOL?

 

Yup.  Try getting your stock investment back from a company that has gone belly up.  Life comes with risks and sometimes those risks suck.  

Edited August 24, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Governor]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Yup.  Try getting your stock investment back from a company that has gone belly up.  Life sucks sometimes.

Glad to have you on record saying that.

[Tenhigh]

 

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Glad to have you on record saying that.

What do you propose instead?

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Governor said:

Glad to have you on record saying that.

 

Why would I be concerned about being on record saying life has risks and sometimes those risks suck.  

[Governor]

8 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

 

What do you propose instead?

I wouldn’t pretend to know the legality behind all of it. Maybe CommieKay would know more. Personally, I would wipe 50k from everyone’s Fed loans to stimulate the economy and allow people to put the private ones into bankruptcy.

 

What I do know is that private (for-profit) colleges were using extremely predatory tactics going back to Bush in 2000, recruiting from military bases, making promises to poor people feeling trapped, etc.

 

My gf used to work at ITT as a recruiter. She lasted about 6 months. She couldn’t sleep at night.

 

ITT no longer exists. Those degrees are toilet paper.

 

Theres dozens of other colleges that did the same thing.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Governor

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

Personally, I would wipe 50k from everyone’s Fed loans to stimulate the economy.

 

 

Good lord!  Why not have them get a job that pays them $6k a year more than what they are making now and have THAT stimulate the economy.  

[Governor]

9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Good lord!  Why not have them get a job that pays them $6k a year more than what they are making now and have THAT stimulate the economy.  

You’re a very sick individual that preys on old people and needs to be sent to the penalty box, along with your conspiracy theorist friend fanboy. Lol.

 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

You’re a very sick individual that preys on old people and needs to be sent to the penalty box, along with your conspiracy theorist friend fanboy. Lol.

 

 

If we're talking old people with student loans then they are doubly dumb.  And you're the one wanting to prey on old people who will be paying the bill for the $50k forgiveness.   They agreed to it, they should pay it not me (one of the previously mentioned old people). 

[ALF]

Taliban say they won't allow Afghans to leave country, reject evacuation extension

 

The Taliban said Tuesday that they were "not allowing the evacuation of Afghans anymore" and warned that the US must stick to next week's deadline to pull out, as a frantic Western evacuation operation at Kabul airport picked up pace.

 

"The road, which goes to the airport, is blocked. Afghans cannot take that road to go to the airport, but foreign nationals are allowed to take that road to the airport," Mujahid said.

"We are not allowing the evacuation of Afghans anymore and we are not happy with it either," he added.

The doctors and academics of Afghanistan "should not leave this country, they should work in their own specialist areas," Mujahid added.

 

"They should not go to other countries, to those Western countries."
Many of those fleeing the country since the Taliban took over have been educated people, especially women

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/24/asia/kabul-airport-afghanistan-intl-hnk/index.html

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Taliban say they won't allow Afghans to leave country, reject evacuation extension

 

The Taliban said Tuesday that they were "not allowing the evacuation of Afghans anymore" and warned that the US must stick to next week's deadline to pull out, as a frantic Western evacuation operation at Kabul airport picked up pace.

 

"The road, which goes to the airport, is blocked. Afghans cannot take that road to go to the airport, but foreign nationals are allowed to take that road to the airport," Mujahid said.

"We are not allowing the evacuation of Afghans anymore and we are not happy with it either," he added.

The doctors and academics of Afghanistan "should not leave this country, they should work in their own specialist areas," Mujahid added.

 

"They should not go to other countries, to those Western countries."
Many of those fleeing the country since the Taliban took over have been educated people, especially women

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/24/asia/kabul-airport-afghanistan-intl-hnk/index.html

 

I guess people are now figuring out why Donald made the deal with the Taliban he did.  

[Tenhigh]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

I wouldn’t pretend to know the legality behind all of it. Maybe CommieKay would know more. Personally, I would wipe 50k from everyone’s Fed loans to stimulate the economy and allow people to put the private ones into bankruptcy.

 

What I do know is that private (for-profit) colleges were using extremely predatory tactics going back to Bush in 2000, recruiting from military bases, making promises to poor people feeling trapped, etc.

 

My gf used to work at ITT as a recruiter. She lasted about 6 months. She couldn’t sleep at night.

 

ITT no longer exists. Those degrees are toilet paper.

 

Theres dozens of other colleges that did the same thing.

What are you doing for all of the people who already paid their loans to accredited universities?  Or even non-accredited ones?

Edited August 24, 2021 by Tenhigh

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

 

 

What I do know is that private (for-profit) colleges

I’m still amazed someone your age still believes in this good guy versus bad guy fairy tale. I guess you’ve never been to a non profit public school chancellor’s house… 😂 

 

if you want to make an awful decision incurring tons of debt that will never deliver a return corrupt Government sponsored enterprise Navient (formally Sallie Mae) is happy to underwrite any stupid amount of money you want to borrow. Another unintended consequence of Uncle Sam “helping” as part of LBJs great society. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’m still amazed someone your age still believes in this good guy versus bad guy fairy tale. I guess you’ve never been to a non profit public school chancellor’s house… 😂 

 

if you want to make an awful decision incurring tons of debt that will never deliver a return corrupt Government sponsored enterprise Navient (formally Sallie Mae) is happy to underwrite any stupid amount of money you want to borrow. Another unintended consequence of Uncle Sam “helping” as part of LBJs great society. 

If you really want to blow your mind, look up the list of highest paid state employees. If I remember correctly you’ll find that it’s the head football coach at the state university in virtually every state in the union. 

[Governor]

21 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

What are you doing for all of the people who already paid their loans to accredited universities?  Or even non-accredited ones?

That’s for Warren to figure out. A peon like myself doesn’t have that answer.

 

I think it needs to be thought out, which is why it hasn’t happened yet.

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If you really want to blow your mind, look up the list of highest paid state employees. If I remember correctly you’ll find that it’s the head football coach at the state university in virtually every state in the union. 

Cool. Let’s fire them. In fact, I would separate those sports from universities altogether.

[Tenhigh]

9 minutes ago, Governor said:

That’s for Warren to figure out. A peon like myself doesn’t have that answer.

I don't think there is a decent answer, in reality.  Not one that isn't politically motivated. Student loan forgiveness is essentially saying that there are no consequences to choices that you make.   

Trade your cow for some magic beans?  Don't worry, the government gives you a new cow.  Magic beanstalk grows from the beans resulting in a golden goose?  Don't bother climbing, the government will just take it anyways to pay for the cow they are giving you.  Let someone else climb.  

[B-Man]

 

 

Biden on live again.

 

Can someone please increase the size of the font on the teleprompter ?

 

His leaning forward and squinting as he reads doesn't really help his message.

 

 

 

[T&C]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Biden on live again.

 

Can someone please increase the size of the font on the teleprompter ?

 

His leaning forward and squinting as he reads doesn't really help his message.

 

 

 

He couldn't even start with the current event... tried to sugar it up with, well, you know.

[Chef Jim]

26 minutes ago, Governor said:

That’s for Warren to figure out. A peon like myself doesn’t have that answer.

 

I think it needs to be thought out, which is why it hasn’t happened yet.

What’s to figure out?  People made a promise to pay the loan back.  They pay it back.  We just figured it out. 
 

I’m still not sure why you feel the need to let those with current loans should get a pass. Reasoning please. 

13 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I don't think there is a decent answer, in reality.  Not one that isn't politically motivated. Student loan forgiveness is essentially saying that there are no consequences to choices that you make.   

Trade your cow for some magic beans?  Don't worry, the government gives you a new cow.  Magic beanstalk grows from the beans resulting in a golden goose?  Don't bother climbing, the government will just take it anyways to pay for the cow they are giving you.  Let someone else climb.  

We already have loan forgiveness plans in place.  Why do we need to alter it?

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, T&C said:

He couldn't even start with the current event... tried to sugar it up with, well, you know.

 

Exactly.

 

He's all over the map.

 

throwing up as much smoke as he can.

 

It would be hilarious, if it wasn't so serious.

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

28 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

What’s to figure out?  People made a promise to pay the loan back.  They pay it back.  We just figured it out. 
 

I’m still not sure why you feel the need to let those with current loans should get a pass. Reasoning please. 

We already have loan forgiveness plans in place.  Why do we need to alter it?

I can jump in here. I’m a creative bird, so I’m just spitballing now but I hope you can follow me.

 

In your version Jim, people make decisions, receive value in your exchange for consideration, and when all is said and done, they live up to the terms of the bargain they entered into.  
 

How tedious.  If that life was a movie, you have to ask yourself Jim, would you go to see it?   Of course not.  It lacks pop, tension, drama, protagonists, a hero,  danger, and ultimately a Matt Damon, because Matty D ain’t showing up for that dog.  
 

Now in the Guv version, sure, people make choices and sure, people go through a UCLA or a Tulane or what have you, and sure many or most have jobs that would allow them to pay on their loans—but you introduce a bad guy, institutional greed, a comely exchange student, a game of hacky-sack at the Quad and zip zap zoop you got Nicholas Cage starring in a thriller fighting valiantly against Big ED. 
 

I see killers in blazers with those fancy elbow pads and mock turtlenecks, I see drunken encounters with spies posing as college recruiters, and damn if I don’t see @oldmanfan in a role as an unlikely hero of the cause—picking off bad guys with a sniper rifle while perched on the cat walk above the $500,000,000 football stadium built on the broken dreams of first gen college kids from Iowa. 

I guess what I’m saying is you buy the steak for the sizzle, right?  Oh, and obviously, iron sharpens iron.  

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

What’s to figure out?  People made a promise to pay the loan back.  They pay it back.  We just figured it out. 
 

I’m still not sure why you feel the need to let those with current loans should get a pass. Reasoning please. 

We already have loan forgiveness plans in place.  Why do we need to alter it?

 

There are Income Based Repayment plans. The borrower pays 10% of their monthly income after subtracting the poverty line. These plans usually bring the monthly payment way under the standard repayment amount, and they have forgiveness built into them.

 

All principal and interest is forgiven after 20 years of payments working in the private sector. Or after 10 years in a not-for-profit / government / education job. But the payments need to be certified yearly or they don't count.

 

Hundreds of thousands of borrowers recently discovered that the last 10 years of payments towards their forgiveness plan don't count bc they didn't get the right paper work in each year.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Motorin'

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

There are Income Based Repayment plans. The borrower pays 10% of their monthly income after subtracting the poverty line. These plans usually bring the monthly payment way under the standard repayment amount, and they have forgiveness built into them.

 

All principal and interest is forgiven after 20 years of payments working in the private sector. Or after 10 years in a not-for-profit / government / education job. But the payments need to be certified yearly or they don't count.

 

Hundreds of thousands of borrowers recently discovered that the last 10 years of payments towards their forgiveness plan don't count bc they didn't get the right paper work in each year.

 

 

 

 

I know how.  Why they need hire people like me to do it right.  Most also don’t know that the forgiven loan is taxable event at 10/20 year mark.  They put a temporary (5 year) hold on that taxation recently. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

The current administration appreciates this conversation about students loans as a distraction from the thread subject 😆 

[Motorin']

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I know how.  Why they need hire people like me to do it right.  Most also don’t know that the forgiven loan is taxable event at 10/20 year mark.  They put a temporary (5 year) hold on that taxation recently. 

 

I know, it's a tax bomb now. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The current administration appreciates this conversation about students loans as a distraction from the thread subject 😆 

Son of a.....this Biden is good, damn good.  

[Motorin']

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The current administration appreciates this conversation about students loans as a distraction from the thread subject 😆 

 

I actually clicked on this thread to say that if Biden doesn't extend the deadline past 8/31, and pulls out all US troops without all Americans evacuated, he need to be impeached...

 

But I got sucked into the student loan Convo.

[Doc]

Squirrel!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I actually clicked on this thread to say that if Biden doesn't extend the deadline past 8/31, and pulls out all US troops without all Americans evacuated, he need to be impeached...

 

But I got sucked into the student loan Convo.

I don’t even care that he’s holding the line in general, but now it looks like he’s getting strong armed and backing down to a bunch of war mongering ak47 toting cave dwellers stuck in the 9th century while the G7 is urging a thorough evacuation over expediency. 
 

I mean these guys are telling the greatest military force on the planet get out or there will be consequences?? Really?