Carl Nassib Announces He is Gay

[HardyBoy]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'm sure there's some folks who have used imaging tools on brain responses to visual stimuli among people of varying sexual orientations, but considering how marginalized that community has been across most global cultures, I'd wonder how much funding is readily available for that kind of research. Although I'd think that we're currently moving through the kind of cultural advance that might make it more accessible. 

 

Ah gotcha. Don't forget they've been trying to figure out a way to "cure" homosexuality for a really long time, so funding might have been there to a degree. Also, there is a lot of opportunity for that type of research on college campuses where it is more acceptable to be openly gay, but you could be right on the lack of a large enough or diverse enough sample size.

 

Now I'm talking about psychological research, if you're talking about neuropsych, like fMRI brain imaging stuff you might be right. Tough to show people gay porn when it's a felony to possess it I guess. 

 

You know what, you might have persuaded me to change my mind a bit. To be fair, you make a real solid point, and I honestly thought you were just saying that because it felt right because feelings...nope, you got a pretty solid logical argument there (seriously). For all we know, there could be a crap ton of money flowing into this research for a long time, but you really might be right. You'd think there was a ton of research into mmj, but somewhat similar reasons have lead there to be a huge gap of 60 or so years in that research until recently.

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

I'm not aware of that and it would surprise me.

Although here's a study from an institution that is well-regarded as fairly reliable and authoritative that does not support that claim.

Gay Men and Lesbians in the U.S. Military

 

A summary snippet:

 

• Using the mid-point estimate that 3 percent of women and 4 percent of men are gay or lesbian among adults in the general population, the findings shown in table 2 suggest that 1.8 percent of active duty personnel are gay or lesbian, meaning that nearly 26,000 gay men and lesbians are serving on active duty. The proportion of lesbians among active duty female personnel is approximately four times higher than the proportion of gay men among male personnel, regardless of the assumptions about prevalence in the population. The mid-range estimate of the proportion of lesbians among women serving on active duty is 5.2 percent while the comparable figure for gay men is 1.2 percent. These estimates imply that more than 11,000 lesbians and 14,500 gay men are currently serving in active duty.

Are you seriously trying to use a study from 2004...7 years before they repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell? Yikes.

 

Here

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, Simon said:

Of course there's many homosexual men that enjoy banging heads. 

But I don't think it's wild speculation to suggest that gay men trend toward less physically aggressive tendencies.

If I were to suggest that most men tend to be taller than most women, the fact that many tall women exist doesn't invalidate the observation.

 

You havent been trapped on a dance floor with them then! 🤣

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You havent been trapped on a dance floor with them then! 🤣

 

 

I actually count on them at weddings. My wife LOVES to dance, and I’m in no danger. Win/win! 

[HardyBoy]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

I'm not aware of that and it would surprise me.

Although here's a study from an institution that is well-regarded as fairly reliable and authoritative that does not support that claim.

Gay Men and Lesbians in the U.S. Military

 

A summary snippet:

 

• Using the mid-point estimate that 3 percent of women and 4 percent of men are gay or lesbian among adults in the general population, the findings shown in table 2 suggest that 1.8 percent of active duty personnel are gay or lesbian, meaning that nearly 26,000 gay men and lesbians are serving on active duty. The proportion of lesbians among active duty female personnel is approximately four times higher than the proportion of gay men among male personnel, regardless of the assumptions about prevalence in the population. The mid-range estimate of the proportion of lesbians among women serving on active duty is 5.2 percent while the comparable figure for gay men is 1.2 percent. These estimates imply that more than 11,000 lesbians and 14,500 gay men are currently serving in active duty.

 

 

 

Of course there's many homosexual men that enjoy banging heads. 

But I don't think it's wild speculation to suggest that gay men trend toward less physically aggressive tendencies.

If I were to suggest that most men tend to be taller than most women, the fact that many tall women exist doesn't invalidate the observation.

 

See the logic arguments only get you to the point of saying something is plausible. You're taking a huge leap here and any research is hugely biased by societal expectations. I mentioned this on like page 3, but saw some research that nearly a third of gen z report as not being completely 100% straight. That's massive. Not to stereotype, but to address the argument, there are not enough theater and ballet kids to make up 30% of boys. I would say those activities are already overly represented by gay boys (you say because those activities draw them because of their orientation, I say it draws them because it's a safe and accepting space compared to other activities.

 

When you get into a number the size of 33%, you can't say it's actually 50% everywhere else except the football team where it's like 2%, and only the kicker. 33% to me is something that is likely equally dispersed across an entire population.

 

Also, if I was going to do a sport that proved how masculine and not possibly gay I was, then it would definitely be football. Care to guess what the football players at my school called players on our state champ soccer team for playing a "gay" sport.

 

Again, are people scared of showering with a gay guy because the gay guy will get turned on, or because they're afraid they will get turned on...33% is a really big number folks.

[Simon]

32 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

I honestly thought you were just saying that because it felt right because feelings...nope

 

I think it's hard to exchange ideas about this stuff sometimes because generations of trying to homogenize our culture have put us in a mindset where we are almost wired to view differences as a negative and we tend to make assumptions about where people who disagree about those differences are coming from. Hell, I would submit that a tendency toward less physical aggressiveness is a positive human characteristic, if anything.

 

36 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

Now I'm talking about psychological research, if you're talking about neuropsych, like fMRI brain imaging stuff

 

That's probably where any disconnect was as I was indeed considering the latter.

And the visual stimuli I was thinking of was more along the lines of fighting than **cking. 

 

23 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

you say because those activities draw them because of their orientation, I say it draws them because it's a safe and accepting space compared to other activities.

A fair point, but the question of how and why those places became more accepting in the first place is also worth considering.

 

25 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

any research is hugely biased by societal expectations. I mentioned this on like page 3, but saw some research that nearly a third of gen z report as not being completely 100% straight

I'd be careful about taking that 33% figure as fact for the very reasons you stated in your previous sentence.

 

38 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

You havent been trapped on a dance floor with them then! 🤣

 

I actually have multiple times and then typically end up getting rag-dolled as the party crew I run with has several gay twenty-something sons who are 6'5" - 6'11", can really move and love to initiate spontaneous midnight dance parties on the deck. If those kids weren't so sweet I'd be scared to death of them. 

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Huh?  Again, not in the same realm of impact.  "comparative cultural and societal comparison" Enough with the word salad.  I don't think you even know what you're saying.  

JMO but to me Jack is a giant on the American scene, like Ali, while Nassib is just a gay football player, no biggie. But maybe I’ve got this all wrong.

 

[Simon]

48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Are you seriously trying to use a study from 2004...7 years before they repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell? Yikes.

 

Here

 

It's an interesting study but that range of error (3.3–5.1) is significant.

The more I think about it the more I wonder if it's even quantifiable.

[Augie]

24 minutes ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said:

when someone says you shouldn't have a different view on things, arguing with CAPS and Bold Lettering shows a closedmind, is weak and brings you near the B word rhyming with spigot.

 

Excuse me? If you can find a way to make sense of this I’ll be happy to delete my quote of you. I think you have misread things here and grossly misunderstood, and I never want to embarrass anyone. Just trying to be clear. 

 

Maybe a fresh take in the morning is the best approach after some review. Have a nice night. 

 

 

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Edited June 23, 2021 by Augie

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, Mr. K said:

The fact that you guys don't think Michael Sam counts proves the hypocrisy. First player drafted first player to play... they both got nfl checks didn't they? That counts on the payroll? That means he wasin the league? Who gives a flying rats arse is you're gay? Seriously, this country at this time. Good for you. Is it important? No. Should people care? No. Live your best life.... 

 

No one said Michael Sam didn't count until you came along and made that up in your own head. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

I would argue the primary virtue signaling I've seen in this thread is in the "why is this news?" contingent.

 

How would you feel if someone told your brother to get out of a communal shower because they knew he was gay? How would he feel?

 

Also, my guess is your brother is laughing about people who suddenly feel like they made some major personal achievement because they retweeted this news. Otherwise it sounds like he is minimizing the challenges gay people face, which I'm assuming is not the case.

 

The Trevor Project or Dan Savage's It Gets Better Project aren't a thing if there wasn't a need for it.

 

It does sound like your brother had a really supportive situation though based on the tiniest amounts of subtext, but careful applying that to everyone.

 

If my brother didn’t do it first, I’d beat their a**, but I never said that nor insinuated that.  I made a comment that he snickers at those (straight people) who want virtue signal for attention (ie: arguing who is the first blah blah blah), or as you stated “it’s not news”.  Some of it comes across as disingenuous or fake if you will.  As a gay person, he would be the first to say good for him, and that’s it and move on.  He doesn’t subscribe to the LGBT community or anything like that, he just goes on about his daily life.  In all honesty, he would think this thread is silly and poke fun at me for even getting involved, but that’s just him.
 

Not all gay people are alike.  He’s not the flamboyant type and doesn’t seek attention nor feel the need say “hey look at me”.   Not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s just not him.  Everyone pretty figured out his sexual orientation in his late teens and it was embraced with love and he wasn’t treated any differently.

 

I should not have commented, I just didn’t understand the back and forth as to the competition between Michael Sam or Carl Nassib and why there needed to be a “qualifier “ attached to them.  Like, does it really matter?  That's all I was inquiring, but you know message boards go.

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

WTF are you talking about? My question is clear and obviously you're making jest. 

 

Would it not be like showering with the opposite sex? 

Gay men are not women.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Simon said:

Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong. It's just a perception.

Objectively, I doubt there's been any conclusive research done that would make either of us know whether we're right or wrong.

 

Your perception is based on an outdated idea of what homosexual men are that was fed by unfavourable depictions in the media. "Oh they don't like sport" or "oh they are not physically aggressive" it is just nonsense.

[JoPoy88]

19 minutes ago, Bills4everNY said:

In a related news story... The producers of "Dancing with the Stars" have just chosen their newest contestant for next season's show.

wow how long it take you to come up with that one. So original 

[plenzmd1]

15 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

 

 

 

It didn't bother either of us and I was never worried about him "making a move."

 

Most likely because I'm not an ignorant moron.

Most likely cause you know you are unattractive to either sex!

 

( I kid, i kid😂)

Edited June 23, 2021 by plenzmd1

[dollars 2 donuts]

23 hours ago, nucci said:

why is sex the first thing people think of when gay people are mentioned?

 

The Nuch being all nucci (few words, straight to the point), and as usually you are spot on.

[nucci]

25 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

The Nuch being all nucci (few words, straight to the point), and as usually you are spot on.

where have you been?

[eball]

Jesus.  What a thread.  Although around here, what did I expect.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

19 minutes ago, nucci said:

where have you been?

 

I TOOK THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME LOSS VERY HARD, NUCC, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, JUMP ALL OVER ME NOW FOR IT?!

 

😂😂

 

Life, brother, but honestly I did step back for a bit.

 

On the topic, the best thing that I think can happen with this young man coming forward is it would start a chain reaction of other athletes coming out and not having to live their lives in the shadows.

 

However, it is also up to the players in all the Leagues.  All the Leagues were social justice conscious in the last few years, which whatever anyone’s position on sports and social issues I personally would not deny them that right.

 

...now, though, the rubber meets the road and they have to prove that wasn’t just posturing. It will be a very bad look and very bad for the future if this guy is prejudiced against by his colleagues.

Edited June 23, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[nucci]

27 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

I TOOK THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME LOSS VERY HARD, NUCC, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, JUMP ALL OVER ME NOW FOR IT?!

 

😂😂

 

Life, brother, but honestly I did step back for a bit.

 

On the topic, the best thing that I think can happen with this young man coming forward is it would start a chain reaction of other athletes coming out and not having to live their lives in the shadows.

 

However, it is also up to the players in all the Leagues.  All the Leagues were social justice conscious in the last few years, which whatever anyone’s position on sports and social issues I personally would not deny them that right.

 

...now, though, the rubber meets the road and they have to prove that wasn’t just posturing. It will be a very bad look and very bad for the future if this guy is prejudiced against by his colleagues.

so did I. LOUD NOISES

Edited June 23, 2021 by nucci

[Apocalypse Nuts]

I just want to go on the record to congratulate Carl Nassib for coming out when he did.  That takes real courage even today.  It takes real courage to accept and live with one's self as LGBTQ in our progressing but still-evolving society no matter who you are.  Nassib has immediately become a trail-blazer and role model for future pro athletes, especially present and future NFL players of the LGBTQ community.  And his coming out will resonate with countless LGBTQ youth who are probably struggling with who they are and who they want to be.  The impact of that is immeasurable. 

 

The fact that his coming out has been met with so much positivity from his fellow players in the league, past and present, the NFL itself, and the country as a whole speaks volumes about how far we have come as a society.  When we reach the point when it's not even necessary for LBGTQ people to "come out"  in any way at all, when it's really accepted in sports and society on that level, to that extent, then we can really be proud of how far we have progressed as a society.  I think we are very close to that but, regrettably, some parts of our society are much, much slower to advance and accept than others.  

Edited June 23, 2021 by Apocalypse Nuts

[wppete]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Jesus.  What a thread.  Although around here, what did I expect.  

I was thinking the exact same thing. 
 

 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by wppete

[Simon]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Your perception is based on an outdated idea of what homosexual men are that was fed by unfavourable depictions in the media. "Oh they don't like sport" or "oh they are not physically aggressive" it is just nonsense.

 

My perception is based on what I have seen with my eyes over 50+ years on this planet.

And I'm sorry if you consider this perception unfavorable (there's no "u" in that word, Tommy:-), but I don't attach any negative connotation to it.

If anything, I'd view a tendency toward less physical aggression as a positive human characteristic.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

Again, are people scared of showering with a gay guy because the gay guy will get turned on, or because they're afraid they will get turned on...33% is a really big number folks.

 

I think a certain segment of straight men always bring up the "oh noes we can't shower with them" because either:

1) In their head, women are sexual objects to guys, and the idea of them being a sexual object to a guy freaks them out.  They think they'd behave like jerks to naked women they were attracted to: stare, and say stuff, come on to them and get gropey if they could - so they project that the gay men would do likewise to them

2) They have a certain segment of personal curiousity and they're afraid of being turned on themselves

 

One of the life experiences I'm glad I had (even though I decided it's not my thing) was visiting a local naturist club with a friend.  For those unfamiliar, naturist clubs are "clothing not optional" places where people who don't like to wear clothes when going about their normal life can socialize, cook, shower, swim, play volleyball etc all while naked around other like-minded people.  It's not a "swingers club" and sexual innuendo or behavior in public is looked down upon (though I wouldn't go to bail there weren't some hookups arranged and acted upon in private)

 

So anyway, when we got there it was "woaoah there's a naked guy on that golf cart" and "oh, that woman and her daughters were naked" then after about 15-20 minutes the "not optional" part kicked in and it just became "normal" to be having a beer and chatting or playing pool volleyball with a bunch of people who happened to be naked - some very attractive, some not.  The shower house was one big open room, men and women showered together and it was no big deal. 

 

I was told it was considered a bit "embarrassing" or "bad form" to get a ***** because it meant you were focused too sexually on someone else, when the point is just to be normal about being naked and social.  I did wonder if they had any openly gay membership, but I didn't ask.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

37 minutes ago, wppete said:

I was thinking the exact same thing. 
 

 

although I agree with the 🤦‍♂️ On some of this - at least it is being discussed.  Much like race - sexual orientation cannot progress without honest discussion and trying to find a common ground.  The fact that even with some total disagreement- we see many people being accepting, but having different perspectives see @Simonand @GunnerBill - at least they can have that discussion.  
 

Race has been much harder and much more ingrained, but as we as a country must have some frank, honest talks - it helps moves things along.

 

The worst thing we can do (and it is a huge part of race culture) is provide lip service without action or discussion.  It is uncomfortable to talk about - let’s basically ignore it and hope it goes away.  There are many, many more supportive people out there than people realize, but because a subject is touchy or uncomfortable or quite frankly they do not have a stake in the pot - they just sit quietly on the side and let these subjects flow by.

 

I don’t agree with some big parts that have been said, but I think it also provided some healthy conversations and I learned a bit more about my fellow TBDers and have even more respect for certain posters like @GunnerBillfor his part in the overall discussion.

 

So for me the absolute best part of Nassib coming out - especially in his quiet and understated way - was the discussion that followed and if that kind of discussion can go on here - where else can it happen that has a true impact on people’s lives.

Edited June 23, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

1 hour ago, eball said:

Jesus.  What a thread.  Although around here, what did I expect.  

 

I was just thinking it had gone pretty well - thanks in good part to @Simon and his magic shears

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

so did I. LOUD NOISES

 

Few words, straight to the point, even with his jokes.

 

That, ladies and gentlemen, is what a consumit and consistent pro is at TSW.

 

Enjoy The Nuch while he is here, because someday he will be gone and it will be too late...

 

...I hear he might join the J'Ville Message Board.  🤣

[soflabillsfan1]

12 hours ago, K-9 said:

I know full well what I’m saying and it’s far away from what you seem to think it is. I’ll boil it down to the simplest form:

 

The comparison lies in the similarity in breaking thru a cultural barrier. Simple as that. 
 

You seem to think I’m equating the struggles of all of black America in their entirety with the struggles of the gay community in their entirety and nothing could be farther from the truth. Robinson shattered a barrier in sports. Nassib also shattered a barrier in sports. That’s all I’m saying. Acknowledging that similarity in no way lessens Robinson or elevates Nassib. 

There is no equating the struggles of black America with the struggles of gay America on a par basis. Like I said, it’s an absurd notion. 
 

If that is all word salad for you, it must be a huge challenge for you to comprehend truly complex concepts. 

 

There's no shattered cultural barrier.  It's 2021.  It's a first but not some earth shattering cultural move like you seem to be framing it.  Jackie was spit on, called a ***** by player and coaches.  He played in an era of segregation.  He played 20 years before it was legal for a black to marry a white.  Nassib will go through none of that.  All he will receive is support and admiration.  You seem to be living in a different time period.  Some people seem to have a hard time grasping progress.  They want certain groups to stay in a perpetual state of victimhood. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

My perception is based on what I have seen with my eyes over 50+ years on this planet.

And I'm sorry if you consider this perception unfavorable (there's no "u" in that word, Tommy:-), but I don't attach any negative connotation to it.

If anything, I'd view a tendency toward less physical aggression as a positive human characteristic.

 

And what you will have seen in those 50 years is lots and lots of gay men who play sport and are in the army and get into fights and everything else you presume they do less than straight men. What you won't have known is that a lot of those men were gay, because the culture in sport and in the forces and in certain other areas of life was such that there are guys who lived their whole lives in the closet. There was a point when I played semi-pro soccer when I thought that basically I'd be one of them. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think a certain segment of straight men always bring up the "oh noes we can't shower with them" because either:

1) In their head, women are sexual objects to guys, and the idea of them being a sexual object to a guy freaks them out.  They think they'd behave like jerks to naked women they were attracted to: stare, and say stuff, come on to them and get gropey if they could - so they project that the gay men would do likewise to them

2) They have a certain segment of personal curiousity and they're afraid of being turned on themselves

 

One of the life experiences I'm glad I had (even though I decided it's not my thing) was visiting a local naturist club with a friend.  For those unfamiliar, naturist clubs are "clothing not optional" places where people who don't like to wear clothes when going about their normal life can socialize, cook, shower, swim, play volleyball etc all while naked around other like-minded people.  It's not a "swingers club" and sexual innuendo or behavior in public is looked down upon (though I wouldn't go to bail there weren't some hookups arranged and acted upon in private)

 

So anyway, when we got there it was "woaoah there's a naked guy on that golf cart" and "oh, that woman and her daughters were naked" then after about 15-20 minutes the "not optional" part kicked in and it just became "normal" to be having a beer and chatting or playing pool volleyball with a bunch of people who happened to be naked - some very attractive, some not.  The shower house was one big open room, men and women showered together and it was no big deal. 

 

I was told it was considered a bit "embarrassing" or "bad form" to get a ***** because it meant you were focused too sexually on someone else, when the point is just to be normal about being naked and social.  I did wonder if they had any openly gay membership, but I didn't ask.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, now we know.  After Thunderdome comes Camp Melanoma.  
 

The odd part of this for me, beyond it being something I would never want to experience (and good for you for having the confidence to experience it), is that a ***** is frowned upon but it is perfectly good form  for a guy on a golf cart to paste a trail of scrotal/butt juice on a vinyl seat for the 4some teeing off later in the day. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Nassib will go through none of that.  All he will receive is support and admiration. 

 

I would bet you $$  that if you had a transcript of replies on Nassib's social media and a recording of everything that will be said to Nassib over the next several months you would learn that is far from true.

 

(Not intended to be expressing an opinion on the analogy to Jackie Robinson, which I agree is rather poor).

[soflabillsfan1]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would bet you $$  that if you had a transcript of replies on Nassib's social media and a recording of everything that will be said to Nassib over the next several months you would learn that is far from true.

 

(Not intended to be expressing an opinion on the analogy to Jackie Robinson, which I agree is rather poor).

 For anything negative said to Nassib, I would bet there's 50X more positive things said.  You can never get rid of every idiot, but they are an extreme minority in this situation.  Looking at his IG, i can't even find a negative comment.

Edited June 23, 2021 by soflabillsfan1

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, now we know.  After Thunderdome comes Camp Melanoma.  
 

The odd part of this for me, beyond it being something I would never want to experience (and good for you for having the confidence to experience it), is that a ***** is frowned upon but it is perfectly good form  for a guy on a golf cart to paste a trail of scrotal/butt juice on a vinyl seat for the 4some teeing off later in the day. 

 

LOL No.  They wear sunscreen and insect repellent; as one of them explained, we're nudists, not Stupid.

 

You were supposed to bring a towel; "good form" was to sit on your own personal towel, always on the same side.  As far as I could tell, this was pretty universally complied with.    There were also spray bottles of disinfectant and paper towels around, in case you didn't want to rely on "towel compliance".  And it wasn't exactly a ***** was frowned on, it was more like Guy to Guy, check if you're too focused on an attractive woman; you may be staring, making her uncomfortable.  Maybe look or think somewhere else.

 

Not confidence.  I keep my word and pay my debts.  There was a bet our swim-phobic friend won by going completely underwater in a popular public swimming hole. 

 

Significant alcohol consumption may have been involved, Heh.

 

We did find it interesting enough to return a couple times, though.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

 For anything negative said to Nassib, I would bet there's 50X more positive things said.  You can never get rid of every idiot, but they are an extreme minority in this situation.  Looking at his IG, i can't even find a negative comment.

 

It is not as severe as the sort of abuse black sportspeople got nearly 100 years ago - agreed. But Nassib will take some pretty vile abuse, I can pretty much guarantee it. Just before lockdown one of my mates who plays for London's premier gay football club finally convinced me to go down and watch one of their games. And some of the comments I heard from their opponents were, frankly, disgusting. It is still there. It is less overt and more insidious than once it was but it still exists. 

[K-9]

51 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

There's no shattered cultural barrier.  It's 2021.  It's a first but not some earth shattering cultural move like you seem to be framing it.  Jackie was spit on, called a ***** by player and coaches.  He played in an era of segregation.  He played 20 years before it was legal for a black to marry a white.  Nassib will go through none of that.  All he will receive is support and admiration.  You seem to be living in a different time period.  Some people seem to have a hard time grasping progress.  They want certain groups to stay in a perpetual state of victimhood. 

You keep insisting on making my comment bigger than it is. I think we are finished here. Have a good day. 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

You keep insisting on making my comment bigger than it is. I think we are finished here. Have a good day. 

 

I thought it was the Jackie Robinson of comments.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

 For anything negative said to Nassib, I would bet there's 50X more positive things said.  You can never get rid of every idiot, but they are an extreme minority in this situation.  Looking at his IG, i can't even find a negative comment.

 

I would respectfully suggest that Nassib (and possibly Instagram) has someone with a pruning sheers monitoring his account and "taking out the trash", as we do here.

 

I'm not sure whether it's 10x or 50x or 100x more positive than negative comments makes a huge difference.  There's the old business saying "One Awshit outweighs 10 Attaboys".  Hopefully Nassib is past this, but to a young person just struggling with their sexual identity, if they're hearing or reading 1,000 comments 10 Hate-o-Grams can have a disproportionate impact.

I mentioned upthread about a young man my kid attended school with, star Track athlete and football player, who came out in HS as gay, later went on to a D1 school, and wound up quitting football to work on his mental health.  (He had been known as a "playa", a "get any girl he wants love 'em and leave 'em crying" type).  His words might be relevant here:

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jake-bain-gay-high-school-football-player_n_5ab12094e4b0eb3e2b30c7bd

 

(Trivia: this kid was the successor to Zeke Elliot at RB, same HS.  Good athlete, but No Zeke Elliot)

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would respectfully suggest that Nassib (and possibly Instagram) has someone with a pruning sheers monitoring his account and "taking out the trash", as we do here.

 

 

 

This your way of telling us you would leave if someone made you a better offer Hap? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

LOL No.  They wear sunscreen and insect repellent; as one of them explained, we're nudists, not Stupid.

 

You were supposed to bring a towel; "good form" was to sit on your own personal towel, always on the same side.  As far as I could tell, this was pretty universally complied with.    There were also spray bottles of disinfectant and paper towels around, in case you didn't want to rely on "towel compliance".  And it wasn't exactly a ***** was frowned on, it was more like Guy to Guy, check if you're too focused on an attractive woman; you may be staring, making her uncomfortable.  Maybe look or think somewhere else.

 

Not confidence.  I keep my word and pay my debts.  There was a bet our swim-phobic friend won by going completely underwater in a popular public swimming hole. 

 

Significant alcohol consumption may have been involved, Heh.

 

We did find it interesting enough to return a couple times, though.

 

 

Swimming holes at the holler. Towels between butt cheeks and seats.  Naked golf swings.  ****** talk thrown around like we’re  the French.  
 

This is like a painting where Norman Rockwell meets R Maplethorpe. 
 

And..Hapless…sunscreen liberally applied to…bug spray to a…..I just….it’s like I try…I mean I just can’t.  
 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

And..Hapless…sunscreen liberally applied to…bug spray to a…..I just….it’s like I try…I mean I just can’t. 

 

LOLOL at "Norman Rockwell meets Maplethorpe".  I literally fell off my chair laughing. (Nah, they had golf carts, not golf course.)

 

The "apply sunscreen and bug spray to WHAT?" part is actually why I decided "this is Just Not for Me".   Clothing I can treat just seems like a simpler (and less irritating) way to keep ticks off my arsehole.