Daunte Wright Shooting

[TSOL]

18 minutes ago, Tux of Borg said:

So are we now going to charge surgeons that accidentally kill their patients in surgery?  

 

 

Now you are just being ridiculous. Because this is America and everyone know rich people don't go to jail in america 

 

Jeez

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Had one guy sit next to me on the defense side of bench and just started into a racist tirade about how blacks had destroyed neighborhoods, blah, blah. I never said a word. 

 

Come on, man. Silence is violence.

[Demongyz]

My two cents:

 

The cop should be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter.  ANY 2nd amendment loving person understands one important fact, when we use our weapon, we are responsible.  She should have known she drew her pistol and not taser.  Because she did it by accident, it's a crime of negligence.  I believe if she had meant to pull her gun, and ordered him to freeze or I'll shoot, then shot him, I think that would be a legal interaction because he was jumping into a vehicle which he could have had a gun, and even if not, him driving away while cops are near and around the car would risk their life.

 

So accident = 2nd degree manslaughter

on purpose = OK.

 

Also I'm not a big fan of her pointing her gun at her partner as he crossed her shot window a couple of times.  She should never have drawn a weapon in that situation anyhow.

 

It's a tragedy that this kid was killed.  It's a tragedy that this lady's life is ruined and that she will spend time in prison.

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Who said it was a white man? Is that real? You have a link? 

I can understand how you missed it but it was MSNBC during their afternoon shift, I don't know name of host.

[Backintheday544]

2 hours ago, Demongyz said:

My two cents:

 

The cop should be charged with 2nd degree manslaughter.  ANY 2nd amendment loving person understands one important fact, when we use our weapon, we are responsible.  She should have known she drew her pistol and not taser.  Because she did it by accident, it's a crime of negligence.  I believe if she had meant to pull her gun, and ordered him to freeze or I'll shoot, then shot him, I think that would be a legal interaction because he was jumping into a vehicle which he could have had a gun, and even if not, him driving away while cops are near and around the car would risk their life.

 

So accident = 2nd degree manslaughter

on purpose = OK.

 

Also I'm not a big fan of her pointing her gun at her partner as he crossed her shot window a couple of times.  She should never have drawn a weapon in that situation anyhow.

 

It's a tragedy that this kid was killed.  It's a tragedy that this lady's life is ruined and that she will spend time in prison.

“It's a tragedy that this lady's life is ruined and that she will spend time in prison.”

 

She killed a person that didn’t need to be killed.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

People just talking on bench and in locker room. Not all hockey players, just seems like a lot. Had one guy sit next to me on the defense side of bench and just started into a racist tirade about how blacks had destroyed neighborhoods, blah, blah. I never said a word. 
 

Have you never heard people being racist? You play hockey? 

I don’t play hockey.  I’m not much of a cold weather fan, have weak ankles and prefer the water in my vicinity be warm and gently kissing the sandy beach I am laying on, not cold and icy like Nancy Pelosi’s heart.  
 

I’m pushing 60–I have heard people making racially inappropriate comments.  

[Boatdrinks]

6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Who said it was a white man? Is that real? You have a link? 

You think it stops at drug crimes? Yes or no 

Yes, real . I saw the video clip. I believe it was MSNBC but maybe others can chime in. 

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

“It's a tragedy that this lady's life is ruined and that she will spend time in prison.”

 

She killed a person that didn’t need to be killed.

The entire thing is a tragedy. Now we are going to debate which part of the story is the bigger tragedy ? Geez, get a grip. 

[Backintheday544]

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Yes, real . I saw the video clip. I believe it was MSNBC but maybe others can chime in. 

The entire thing is a tragedy. Now we are going to debate which part of the story is the bigger tragedy ? Geez, get a grip. 

No the person who murdered someone doesn’t get to hide behind the it’s a tragedy bs that you’re trying to spew.

[B-Man]

10 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

No the person who murdered someone doesn’t get to hide behind the it’s a tragedy bs that you’re trying to spew.

 

Ashli Babbitt disagrees.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Motorin']

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

Ashli Babbitt disagrees.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately her pre-existing mental illness was the cause of death. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

No the person who murdered someone doesn’t get to hide behind the it’s a tragedy bs that you’re trying to spew.

I don’t know what evidence the prosecution has with respect to the officers background, comments on race or criminal past, but assuming it was indeed an unintended shooting, it’s a tragedy on several fronts.  First, a man is dead who should not be dead.  His death is due in part because of poor decisions in his last.  Second, the woman responsible has to live with her actions due to a split second encounter that never should  have ended the way it did.  I’d think the jail sentence she will face is not the worst thing to come for her.  Third, the community is in turmoil, with people losing their job for thinking and saying things unacceptable in today’s environment.  Fourth, a key community member entrusted by the public to do the right thing violated her oath out of fear of retribution from the mob.  Fifth, the narrative will be spun that this was an assassination of a man due to his skin color, leading to more unrest, more interaction, more violence against the police, and quite likely, directly contribute to more suffering, more looting, more violence, injury and death.  

There’s nothing about this that isn’t tragic. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don’t know what evidence the prosecution has with respect to the officers background, comments on race or criminal past, but assuming it was indeed an unintended shooting, it’s a tragedy on several fronts.  First, a man is dead who should not be dead.  His death is due in part because of poor decisions in his last.  Second, the woman responsible has to live with her actions due to a split second encounter that never should  have ended the way it did.  I’d think the jail sentence she will face is not the worst thing to come for her.  Third, the community is in turmoil, with people losing their job for thinking and saying things unacceptable in today’s environment.  Fourth, a key community member entrusted by the public to do the right thing violated her oath out of fear of retribution from the mob.  Fifth, the narrative will be spun that this was an assassination of a man due to his skin color, leading to more unrest, more interaction, more violence against the police, and quite likely, directly contribute to more suffering, more looting, more violence, injury and death.  

There’s nothing about this that isn’t tragic. 

 

Here’s where we’d differ. The few seconds of interaction between this young man and the officer are indeed a tragedy. Everything else is reckless, intentional destruction of our social contract and structure. None of the rest of it should ever be described as accidental or ‘tragic’. 

[Tiberius]

14 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

ok fair enough just curious how many black groups have you been in? have you ever been a minority? i grew up on the eastside and can assure you racism is in every group. it teaches you to judge others as individuals. so then youll talk about power structure and police having it. yet SEVERAL of the incidents have black police chiefs and captains..i guess they are all for white supremacy as they instruct people where to go and what crime to fight. not to mention they attained this position to begin with. but they were fired...progress.

 

we are going in the weeds. sorry the hockey team you play with is racist and im also sorry you believe a narrative that is highly exaggerated. i could go further but we are 4 years removed from a black man holding the highest office in this country, twice, and 0 from the second (woman). black people cannot achieve there goals and not be arrested do to racism, seems to be the overarching argument. many of my black friends and family must be outliers then. that's my experience at least.

 

as for the cops doing the same to whites. yes im against police brutality in general...who isnt? asians lives matter, black lives, trans lives matter ,we are going towards all lives..just give it time.

 

 

I know it goes both ways. People are people. Since black people were kept poor for so long, obviously this whole thing takes on a big class aspect, too. Poor people unfortuntely have more social problems, and that causes conflict with the greater society and the police are caught in the middle of it. 

10 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don’t play hockey.  I’m not much of a cold weather fan, have weak ankles and prefer the water in my vicinity be warm and gently kissing the sandy beach I am laying on, not cold and icy like Nancy Pelosi’s heart.  
 

I’m pushing 60–I have heard people making racially inappropriate comments.  

I hear you. I use to be so crazy about hockey I was in the summer league but when it's 80 degrees outside, it felt strange to be inside on days like that so I way cut back on hockey. 

[Unforgiven]

6 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Unfortunately her pre-existing mental illness was the cause of death. 

I highly doubt that...if that happened that easily some posters here would be long gone.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Here’s where we’d differ. The few seconds of interaction between this young man and the officer are indeed a tragedy. Everything else is reckless, intentional destruction of our social contract and structure. None of the rest of it should ever be described as accidental or ‘tragic’. 

It’s all in the perspective Gramps.  Reckless intention destruction on the one hand, often tragic on the other. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Unfortunately her pre-existing mental illness was the cause of death. 

Now there’s a can of worms. Fentanyl addict? Former convicted felon? What’s this type of mental illness that acceptably leads to death? 

[Motorin']

30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Now there’s a can of worms. Fentanyl addict? Former convicted felon? What’s this type of mental illness that acceptably leads to death? 

 

She was clearly suffering from some form of mental illness that drove her to climb through a broken window into the inner Capitol chamber while federal agents pointed guns at her ordering her not to come through... And that's how ti works, right? Police don't kill people, people kill themselves?

 

 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by Motorin'

[Tenhigh]

 

8 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Unfortunately her pre-existing mental illness was the cause of death. 

Where are you getting the diagnosis of mental illness from, Motorin'?

[Motorin']

Just now, Tenhigh said:

 

Where are you getting the diagnosis of mental illness from, Motorin'?

 

I don't really believe mental illness is the cause of her death. The gun shot is... 

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

She was clearly suffering from some form of mental illness that drove her to climb through a broken window into the inner Capitol chamber while federal agents pointed guns at her ordering her not to come through... And that's how ti works, right? Police don't kill people, people kill themselves?

 

 

 

 

Triggered!!! 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

She was clearly suffering from some form of mental illness that drove her to climb through a broken window into the inner Capitol chamber while federal agents pointed guns at her ordering her not to come through... And that's how ti works, right? Police don't kill people, people kill themselves?

 

 

 

 

As long as the standard is consistent. 

[Tenhigh]

4 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I don't really believe mental illness is the cause of her death. The gun shot is... 

So were her illegal actions the cause of her getting shot?

[TSOL]

Damn, alot of you are really dancing on the fine line between "innocent until proven guilty" and "if a suspect doesn't comply, an officer has the right to shoot them" 

 

It's scary to me 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

Damn, alot of you are really dancing on the fine line between "innocent until proven guilty" and "if a suspect doesn't comply, an officer has the right to shoot them" 

 

It's scary to me 

 

This only applies to white people; with the exception of those in blue on the Capitol on 1/6.

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

Damn, alot of you are really dancing on the fine line between "innocent until proven guilty" and "if a suspect doesn't comply, an officer has the right to shoot them" 

 

It's scary to me 

No not at all, what's being said is that if a suspect fails to comply the chances of being shot go up enormously.

[Melon]

3 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

No not at all, what's being said is that if a suspect fails to comply the chances of being shot go up enormously.

 

Some see this as a problem with the police. It's not their job to shoot someone who fails to comply. They are not judge and executioner. 

 

Some see this as a benefit of the police. They feel it's fine that a cop shoots someone who fails to comply. They do not mind the cops who are judge and executioner. The racists who think this have held their heads high throughout this thread.

 

#BeBest

Edited April 15, 2021 by Melania Trump

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, Melania Trump said:

 

Some see this as a problem with the police. It's not their job to shoot someone who fails to comply. They are not judge and executioner. 

 

Some see this as a benefit of the police. They feel it's fine that a cop shoots someone who fails to comply. They do not mind the cops who are judge and executioner. The racists who think this have held their heads high throughout this thread.

 

#BeBest

All I'm saying is - Comply and you don't get shot. Don't comply and the risk of injury or even death is high. 

[TSOL]

3 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

All I'm saying is - Comply and you don't get shot. Don't comply and the risk of injury or even death is high. 

 

 

You seem so acceptant of that fact. 

 

Can we live in a world where we don't have to fear being blown away by the cops?

 

This isn't a dirty harry movie you know, this is real life 

[wnyguy]

Just now, TSOL said:

 

 

You seem so acceptant of that fact. 

 

Can we live in a world where we don't have to fear being blown away by the cops?

 

This isn't a dirty harry movie you know, this is real life 

Of course I accept it because it's the truth. Had this guy complied he would still be alive. Seems simple enough.

[TSOL]

6 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Of course I accept it because it's the truth. Had this guy complied he would still be alive. Seems simple enough.

 

 

Well, the acceptance of these issues is what enables them. 

 

Thanks for your contribution. 

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Well, the acceptance of these issues is what enables them. 

 

Thanks for your contribution. 

You're welcome and should you need me to point out the obvious in the future feel free to ask.

[Melon]

10 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Of course I accept it because it's the truth. Had this guy complied he would still be alive. Seems simple enough.

 

Had the officer done her job within the confines of the law he would still be alive. Even simpler. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by Melania Trump

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, Melania Trump said:

 

Had the officer done her job within the confines of the law he would still be alive. Even simpler. 

If the guy had complied, not struggled, not attempt to flee, this officer would have had no reason to mistake her pistol with her taser because she wouldn't have reached for either. 

[Motorin']

39 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

So were her illegal actions the cause of her getting shot?

 

I'd say what she did, attempting to breach the inner Capital with 100's if not 1000's right behind her was a sad but reasonable justification for the use of deadly force. Shooting her right then may have saved lives that day. 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

40 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

You seem so acceptant of that fact. 

 

Can we live in a world where we don't have to fear being blown away by the cops?

 

This isn't a dirty harry movie you know, this is real life 

When criminals stop shooting at cops , tons of illegal handguns aren’t out on the streets and murders tail off. So , basically no. Ideally we can, but bad people with zero respect for life or others screw it up. Besides, “ living in fear” of such an occurrence is completely unnecessary and unrealistic. Pure hyperbole. The numbers show these are pretty isolated events on a year to year basis. You have a much better chance of winning the lottery, or having a hammer fall off the top shelf at Lowe’s and go through your skull. Now, if your actions constantly put you in police contact the chances go up, but they’re still verylow. Even if you’re arrested and cuffed , these things happen every day without a major incident. Living in fear is caving into sensationalism. Do you live in fear of a mass murder every time you go in the grocery store ? 

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

She was clearly suffering from some form of mental illness that drove her to climb through a broken window into the inner Capitol chamber while federal agents pointed guns at her ordering her not to come through... And that's how ti works, right? Police don't kill people, people kill themselves?

 

 

 

 

Nope. How many unarmed ( female) protesters of color have been shot during the liberal riots of 2019 and 2020 ? I’ll hang up and listen. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by Boatdrinks

[Boatdrinks]

14 minutes ago, Melania Trump said:

 

Had the officer done her job within the confines of the law he would still be alive. Even simpler. 

Yep, she was negligent. His actions played a role as he had a warrant , illegal gun charge and decided to take a chance. Both are true. He got a Cop that didn’t bring their A game that day. Chance you take when you tempt fate. 

[Melon]

11 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

If the guy had complied, not struggled, not attempt to flee, this officer would have had no reason to mistake her pistol with her taser because she wouldn't have reached for either. 

 

If all criminals were perfect angels there would be no reason for cops.

She has been on the force for 26 years.

 

She failed to do the job she signed up for. 

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Yep, she was negligent. His actions played a role as he had a warrant , illegal gun charge and decided to take a chance. Both are true. He got a Cop that didn’t bring their A game that day. Chance you take when you tempt fate. 

 

Her negligence is the sole reason he is dead.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Melania Trump said:

 

If all criminals were perfect angels there would be no reason for cops.

She has been on the force for 26 years.

 

She failed to do the job she signed up for. 

 

Her negligence is the sole reason he is dead.

Your last sentence is where you go off track. The first statements are all true. The last cannot be. If she had simply approached the vehicle, opened the door and shot him it would be true. That’s not what happened. He had a huge part in his own demise. 

[TSOL]

16 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

When criminals stop shooting at cops , tons of illegal handguns aren’t out on the streets and murders tail off. So , basically no. Ideally we can, but bad people with zero respect for life or others screw it up. 

 

 

Honestly the cops are the criminals and you all know it 

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Honestly the cops are the criminals and you all know it 

Just added some other points to my previous response thru an edit. Read it if you wish. Your statement has zero basis in reality, the numbers don’t back it up in any way. You’ve fallen victim to radical hyperbolic sensationalists. Or you’ve listened to “ sympathy for the devil” too many times in a row.