Canada Vs USA- Vaccine Rollout

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I have debated posting this but I am very curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

 

This is not about the virus but how our countries have handled the vaccine rollout. 

 

I want to applaud the USA and how your government has handled the rollout. I know the running joke is that some Americans are envious of the Canadian healthcare but today I say the opposite. I am envious of how Biden has taken hold of the vaccine issue and has made so much available so soon.

 

Currently in Canada, we are still only vaccinating those 60+ as opposed to the USA where I believe I saw that anyone 18+ who wants the vaccine can get it starting April 19th? That's mind boggling to me.

 

I live in Ontario and we just announced today our 3rd state of emergency and our 3rd stay at home order. This time for a minimum of 4 weeks.

 

Canada has roughly a population of 40 Million where I believe the USA has 10x that amount. It's amazing how far ahead you guys are and I am not ashamed to say I am jealous.

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

You guys need a new government, starting with the PM. Trudeau is a clown, he and his cronies  have attempted to set the country on a zero infection rate path. The economy and the pandemic were always intertwined. Good luck trying to recover from the situation he has created, I truly feel bad for many Canadians.

Edited April 9, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Canadian Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You guys need a new government, starting with the PM. Trudeau is a clown, he and his cronies  have attempted to set the country on a zero infection rate path. The economy and the pandemic were always intertwined. Good luck trying to recover from the situation he has created, I truly fell bad for many Canadians.

 

Could not agree more. Its nothing short of embarrassing of how he had handled this.

 

Furthermore, he will not allow any areas to start vaccinating younger groups until everyone in the country in the set age group has been vaccinated 

[SoCal Deek]

Tick, tick, tick....Niagara Bill should be chiming in any second now. He has a comment on everything going on south of the Canadian border.  Let's see what he has to say about this one! In the meantime I'll follow my own rule and leave it to you guys to deal with your own issues.

[Mike in Horseheads]

CBF I look at the Canucks and wonder how 21 players and 4 staff are now infected.  They may be done for the year with all those games to make up. We miss ya in the SB

[RiotAct]

5 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

Could not agree more. Its nothing short of embarrassing of how he had handled this.

 

Furthermore, he will not allow any areas to start vaccinating younger groups until everyone in the country in the set age group has been vaccinated 

wait, what? 😂

[Canadian Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

wait, what? 😂

 

Yup. The area I live in has vaccinated all 60+ year Olds and has vaccines but they cannot start vaccinating anyone younger until the rest of the 60+ across the province and country have been vaccinated 

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

Yup. The area I live in has vaccinated all 60+ year Olds and has vaccines but they cannot start vaccinating anyone younger until the rest of the 60+ across the province and country have been vaccinated 

holy crap.  You must feel like you’re living in a South Park episode. (To be fair, I’ve felt that way a lot over the past 13 months too).

[reddogblitz]

My theory is its less a roll out problem and more of a supply problem.

 

Last year the US ordered and bought 800 million doses.  How many did Canada pre order and purchase?

 

I suspect that's why we're getting it faster.

 

Money talks.

[Orlando Tim]

6 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

I have debated posting this but I am very curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

 

This is not about the virus but how our countries have handled the vaccine rollout. 

 

I want to applaud the USA and how your government has handled the rollout. I know the running joke is that some Americans are envious of the Canadian healthcare but today I say the opposite. I am envious of how Biden has taken hold of the vaccine issue and has made so much available so soon.

 

Currently in Canada, we are still only vaccinating those 60+ as opposed to the USA where I believe I saw that anyone 18+ who wants the vaccine can get it starting April 19th? That's mind boggling to me.

 

I live in Ontario and we just announced today our 3rd state of emergency and our 3rd stay at home order. This time for a minimum of 4 weeks.

 

Canada has roughly a population of 40 Million where I believe the USA has 10x that amount. It's amazing how far ahead you guys are and I am not ashamed to say I am jealous.

 

 

I appreciate the honesty and I will state visiting Canada is always a treat but your healthcare is not better than what I receive and your govt has screwed the pooch on Covid. I have several people in my area who have family from Canada that flew down before Thanksgiving and are still here, going back sounds awful to them.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I appreciate the honesty and I will state visiting Canada is always a treat but your healthcare is not better than what I receive and your govt has screwed the pooch on Covid. I have several people in my area who have family from Canada that flew down before Thanksgiving and are still here, going back sounds awful to them.

 

 

For sure man. I agree 100% It's terrible.

 

USA is doing things right

[Doc]

7 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

I have debated posting this but I am very curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

 

This is not about the virus but how our countries have handled the vaccine rollout. 

 

I want to applaud the USA and how your government has handled the rollout. I know the running joke is that some Americans are envious of the Canadian healthcare but today I say the opposite. I am envious of how Biden has taken hold of the vaccine issue and has made so much available so soon.

 

Currently in Canada, we are still only vaccinating those 60+ as opposed to the USA where I believe I saw that anyone 18+ who wants the vaccine can get it starting April 19th? That's mind boggling to me.

 

I live in Ontario and we just announced today our 3rd state of emergency and our 3rd stay at home order. This time for a minimum of 4 weeks.

 

Canada has roughly a population of 40 Million where I believe the USA has 10x that amount. It's amazing how far ahead you guys are and I am not ashamed to say I am jealous.

 

You should be envious of Trump.  Biden merely inherited it.

[Big Blitz]

Why aren't the masks working?

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

I have literally zero sympathy for anyone who hasn't gotten the vaccine within the next month or two. We should be able to go back to completely normal, not forced to limit activities and wear masks to protect those who don't want to protect themselves by getting a vaccine. It makes no sense.

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I have literally zero sympathy for anyone who hasn't gotten the vaccine within the next month or two. We should be able to go back to completely normal, not forced to limit activities and wear masks to protect those who don't want to protect themselves by getting a vaccine. It makes no sense.

 

Fun fact: your life can go back to normal without a vaccine. And the fact is that we were forced to limit activities and wear masks by the elderly to protect the elderly. 

 

I'm sure most folks who don't get the vaccine couldn't give two ***** whether or not they're "protected" from COVID.

[meazza]

20 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

Could not agree more. Its nothing short of embarrassing of how he had handled this.

 

Furthermore, he will not allow any areas to start vaccinating younger groups until everyone in the country in the set age group has been vaccinated 

 

Vaccination policy isn't at the federal level but at the provincial level (at least in Quebec) but it's nice to know that we're all following the same ***** policy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 4/7/2021 at 2:45 PM, Canadian Bills Fan said:

I have debated posting this but I am very curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

 

This is not about the virus but how our countries have handled the vaccine rollout. 

 

I want to applaud the USA and how your government has handled the rollout. I know the running joke is that some Americans are envious of the Canadian healthcare but today I say the opposite. I am envious of how Biden has taken hold of the vaccine issue and has made so much available so soon.

 

Currently in Canada, we are still only vaccinating those 60+ as opposed to the USA where I believe I saw that anyone 18+ who wants the vaccine can get it starting April 19th? That's mind boggling to me.

 

I live in Ontario and we just announced today our 3rd state of emergency and our 3rd stay at home order. This time for a minimum of 4 weeks.

 

Canada has roughly a population of 40 Million where I believe the USA has 10x that amount. It's amazing how far ahead you guys are and I am not ashamed to say I am jealous.

 

The age groups being vaccinated vary state by state, but Biden is pushing to move things along quickly.

 

The vaccine rollout you describe puzzles me because when they were developed, there was talk that Canada had ordered enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone 3 or 4x over.....did Canada just get stiffed on deliveries, or did it choose vaccine candidates that washed out/not wish to approve one that's available?

 

 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The age groups being vaccinated vary state by state, but Biden is pushing to move things along quickly.

 

The vaccine rollout you describe puzzles me because when they were developed, there was talk that Canada had ordered enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone 3 or 4x over.....did Canada just get stiffed on deliveries, or did it choose vaccine candidates that washed out/not wish to approve one that's available?

 

 

 

 

There was about a month when there was delays but its been brutal. We have 80M doses ordered but have only vaccinated about 6M people today.

We even had to get a loan of 1.5M doses from Biden

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

Yup. The area I live in has vaccinated all 60+ year Olds and has vaccines but they cannot start vaccinating anyone younger until the rest of the 60+ across the province and country have been vaccinated 

 

Initially that's what was said would happen here in MO - that phases would go statewide, and later phases wouldn't open until earlier phases were jabbed across the whole state...but they walked that back.

Just now, Canadian Bills Fan said:

There was about a month when there was delays but its been brutal. We have 80M doses ordered but have only vaccinated about 6M people today.

We even had to get a loan of 1.5M doses from Biden

 

So is Canada being stiffed on deliveries, or what's up with that?

[meazza]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The age groups being vaccinated vary state by state, but Biden is pushing to move things along quickly.

 

The vaccine rollout you describe puzzles me because when they were developed, there was talk that Canada had ordered enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone 3 or 4x over.....did Canada just get stiffed on deliveries, or did it choose vaccine candidates that washed out/not wish to approve one that's available?

 

 

We’ve also been given plenty of AstraZeneca which has generated a lot of hesitation because of Europe’s regulators.

[LeviF]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Initially that's what was said would happen here in MO - that phases would go statewide, and later phases wouldn't open until earlier phases were jabbed across the whole state...but they walked that back.

 

So is Canada being stiffed on deliveries, or what's up with that?

Canada has little in the way of domestic vaccine production. Trump made threats and promises to domestic producers in the US to keep vaccines here. Huge subsidies followed by threats to yank them back if they didn’t come through domestically. 
 

Say what you will about the man, but he knew how to throw money at a problem 😂

Edited April 9, 2021 by LeviF91

[Wacka]

But Canada has enough fake eyebrows for everyone!

[aristocrat]

Remember when trump was ridiculed for being so far behind Canada? Whelp

[Niagara Bill]

On 4/7/2021 at 7:47 PM, SoCal Deek said:

Tick, tick, tick....Niagara Bill should be chiming in any second now. He has a comment on everything going on south of the Canadian border.  Let's see what he has to say about this one! In the meantime I'll follow my own rule and leave it to you guys to deal with your own issues.

Ok dude.

Canada does not have access to production facilities for any of the producers.

A long history but the short firm us this.

1. Many years ago Canada forced a reduction of patents on new drugs produced in Canada and tougher higher tax laws

2. The results ....drug companies left for more favourable countries....Canada developed a huge industry of generic drug manufacturers, Canada drug costs dropped significantly as a result ( even trump told Americans to go to a Canada to buy drugs). Often bus loads of US vutuzens came to Canada to purchase prescriptions.

3.Pfizer has openly told Trudeau to fix the tax structure. He did not. Whether that is good or bad, who knows.

4. One thing you never see advertised in Canada is drug companies reducing costs to those people who may not be able to afford the drug. Why? US drug companies make so much money they act generous, take the bows, yet the accepted millions of government dollars to help with this vaccine.

5. So Canada gets cheaper drugs but limited access to these emergency drugs (and others from time to time)

6. Trudeau is still a nut!

On 4/7/2021 at 9:57 PM, Buffalo Timmy said:

I appreciate the honesty and I will state visiting Canada is always a treat but your healthcare is not better than what I receive and your govt has screwed the pooch on Covid. I have several people in my area who have family from Canada that flew down before Thanksgiving and are still here, going back sounds awful to them.

Keep them there, please.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Ok dude.

Canada does not have access to production facilities for any of the producers.

A long history but the short firm us this.

1. Many years ago Canada forced a reduction of patents on new drugs produced in Canada and tougher higher tax laws

2. The results ....drug companies left for more favourable countries....Canada developed a huge industry of generic drug manufacturers, Canada drug costs dropped significantly as a result ( even trump told Americans to go to a Canada to buy drugs). Often bus loads of US vutuzens came to Canada to purchase prescriptions.

3.Pfizer has openly told Trudeau to fix the tax structure. He did not. Whether that is good or bad, who knows.

4. One thing you never see advertised in Canada is drug companies reducing costs to those people who may not be able to afford the drug. Why? US drug companies make so much money they act generous, take the bows, yet the accepted millions of government dollars to help with this vaccine.

5. So Canada gets cheaper drugs but limited access to these emergency drugs (and others from time to time)

6. Trudeau is still a nut!

Morning Niagara!

I wondered where you’d gone. Hope you’re OK. 

[Orlando Tim]

19 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

 

Keep them there, please.

Please elaborate on who you don't want coming back to Canada but I will extend my description of these friends- one family is 2nd generation from Mexico and one family is first generation from Guyana. 

[Niagara Bill]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Please elaborate on who you don't want coming back to Canada but I will extend my description of these friends- one family is 2nd generation from Mexico and one family is first generation from Guyana. 

Where is your sense of humor? 

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Where is your sense of humor? 

What is the joke? Maybe it was lost in the medium

[Niagara Bill]

Ok...you said you know of people who flew down from Canada last Thanksgiving and never went back. 

I said keep them. I never mention ethnicity, and you never mentioned it either in your first post I joked about.

Now you turn it racist. You are a piece of work Timmy. 💩

 

[LeviF]

I still think Canada is a psyop.  Literally a "country" that only exists to watch over America from a thin line of cities on the border.  It's too bad the Fenians didn't take it.

[Wacka]

Reason drugs cost  so much more in the US is because  the re5t of the world  has a cap on prices. It takes many years and lots of $ to do the research and the testing.  In other countries they can't recoup those costs, so they rely on the US to do it. The last big medicine that was developed in Canada was probably insulin by Banting and Best in the 20s. The generics are drugs where the patents have run out. The  research for those were done years ago.

[Doc]

51 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

What is the joke? Maybe it was lost in the medium

 

Canadians are 75% less funny.

 

JK.  They're not funny at all.

 

😉

[Niagara Bill]

11 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Remember when trump was ridiculed for being so far behind Canada? Whelp

550,000 deaths. No other comment necessary.

[aristocrat]

9 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

550,000 deaths. No other comment necessary.

 

what does that have to do with our vaccine roll out and being far ahead of canada?

[Niagara Bill]

9 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

what does that have to do with our vaccine roll out and being far ahead of canada?

Trump was never ridiculed for vaccine, and he had little to do with roll out.

He was responsible for pushing for vaccine and investment in vaccine.

Read the post I responded to. 

The USA has the vaccine produced at home and the results show for sure. Read my post on why Canada is so far behind fir explanation 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

550,000 deaths. No other comment necessary.

That would be an argument for keeping all the vaccines created here, no?  
 

Why you bogarting our stash?  Why not just pump out some generics?  
 

Sorry for the loss of your sovereign Prince btw.  We lost ours a few years ago. Godspeed. 

[Niagara Bill]

34 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

That would be an argument for keeping all the vaccines created here, no?  
 

Why you bogarting our stash?  Why not just pump out some generics?  
 

Sorry for the loss of your sovereign Prince btw.  We lost ours a few years ago. Godspeed. 

I have problem with US keeping vaccines at home. Look after your family, then your neighbor. If it was the other way around I would insist we do it that way.

May Purple Rain fall on your head...😁

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

26 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

I have problem with US keeping vaccines at home. Look after your family, then your neighbor. If it was the other way around I would insist we do it that way.

May Purple Rain fall on your head...😁

But we’ve got a really, really, really, really big family and as you yourself pointed out in a Niagara Billerly fashion, it seems we are not doing such a great job of taking care of numero uno. 
 

When you factor in the Canadian business model with respect to health care, as you pointed out, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion  we’re being taken advantage of.  The Canadian govt has convinced everyone that their process works really, really well until, voila, suddenly it doesn’t when people get sick— which is part of the reason drugs and health care are important.  
 

Personally, I’m happy to see neighbors helping neighbors, but it is kind of ironic.  It strikes me an awful lot like the smarty pants who saved all sorts of money on health insurance but was amazed that when he developed cancer companies were unwilling   to take on the risk.
 

 
 

 

 

Edited April 9, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Niagara Bill]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

But we’ve got a really, really, really, really big family and as you yourself pointed out in a Niagara Billerly fashion, it seems we are not doing such a great job of taking care of numero uno. 
 

When you factor in the Canadian business model with respect to health care, as you pointed out, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion  we’re being taken advantage of.  The Canadian govt has convinced everyone that their process works really, really well until, voila, suddenly it doesn’t when people get sick— which is part of the reason drugs and health care are important.  
 

Personally, I’m happy to see neighbors helping neighbors, but it is kind of ironic.  It strikes me an awful lot like the smarty pants who saved all sorts of money on health insurance but was amazed that when he developed cancer companies were unwilling   to take on the risk.
 

 
 

 

 

We are behind in vaccines not because of a Healthcare system, but tax system and patent laws. Ying and yang. 

 

It is always a trade off. You financed Astra to take over a producer in Baltimore that destroyed 15,000,000 doses because of bad management. So all Healthcare systems have their issues. That discussion is way to long. 

Most of the civilized world has a similar system as we do. It begins with a believe that all citizens are entitled to Healthcare regardless of $$$$$. 

The pros and cons for either is irrelevant. 

But so be it...let it rain purple.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Most of the civilized world has a similar system as we do. It begins with a believe that all citizens are entitled to Healthcare regardless of $$$$$. 

The pros and cons for either is irrelevant. 

 

Niagara, the US system doesn’t leave anyone without healthcare it simply puts the first line of access with and through your employer. It’s a way to incentivize work and way to have employers compete for good employees. It’s also a way to entice others to work in the public sector where benefits are more plentiful. Our system works very well and the vast majority of our citizens are very happy with it.