Eagles trade pick 6 to Dolphins

[mannc]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

If Tua doesn't work out that 2023 1st will come in handy.

Dolphins got 2 picks this year in the first 3 rounds.  6 picks in the top 81!

I know.  They're f-ing stacked. 

 

I don't think Tua necessarily gets two more years to prove himself.  If he doesn't show better this year, they could move on sooner than that.

[DolFAN93]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

I get it--they're still probably going to get their guy at 6, but in 2018 the Colts got three second round picks from the Jets to drop back from 3 to 6.  And the third they got this year is a comp pick, more like a fourth rounder, really.

That was for a QB. That position in the draft to go along with a highly-touted QB is going to cost a lot. The Eagles clearly don't value any of the QBs so your comparison is off.

[PrimeTime101]

36 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

They said that about Hockenson and Fant.  Engram... Howard... 

 

I'm not a big fan of TEs in the first.  I feel like they're rarely the impact players they're supposed to be, espeically on the rookie deal.  

 

Like who are the best TEs in the NFL - Kelce, Kittle, Waller, and probably Andrews.  None were acquired in the first.  

Noah Fant? HE plays for the Bronco's Jake Lock was there QB he did not throw for more then 3000 yards. Fant was their 3rd best WR. again... he would do much better under a way better team.. Just look at the numbers man... 

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, mannc said:

I know.  They're f-ing stacked. 

 

I don't think Tua necessarily gets two more years to prove himself.  If he doesn't show better this year, they could move on sooner than that.

 

The they will have 1 2022 1st and 2 2023 picks to move up.

My point is the fish are setting themselves up to be very competitive in the AFC in the next year or two.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

Noah Fant? HE plays for the Bronco's Jake Lock was there QB he did not throw for more then 3000 yards. Fant was their 3rd best WR. again... he would do much better under a way better team.. Just look at the numbers man... 

 

Maybe stop spending 1st round picks on TEs when you don't have receivers or QBs then?  I dunno what to tell ya.  

[DolFAN93]

42 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep 6. Perfect spot for their target Micah Parsons. 

Micah Parsons at 6. Just watch and see and finally get an NFL LBer they have been looking for, for almost a Decade. 
 

WR will maybe come with their 18th pick. 

Parsons that high is unlikely. 1. He has off the field issues. 2. LB isn't a huge need since they traded for Bernardrick McKinney.

 

Most of the top receivers will be gone by 18. Better off waiting until the 2nd unless Chase is the pick at 6.

[4merper4mer]

Moving from12 to 6 seems like a QB move but that makes no sense because the had 3.  Unless they really like a QB and are REALLY confident he will last until 6, my guess is WR.  There are 3 really highly rated WRs right?

12 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Noah Fant? HE plays for the Bronco's Jake Lock was there QB he did not throw for more then 3000 yards. Fant was their 3rd best WR. again... he would do much better under a way better team.. Just look at the numbers man... 

Jake Lock?  You’re confusing Drew Lock and Jay Clocker.

[mannc]

10 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

That was for a QB. That position in the draft to go along with a highly-touted QB is going to cost a lot. The Eagles clearly don't value any of the QBs so your comparison is off.

You don’t think SF traded up for a QB?

[DolFAN93]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

Moving from12 to 6 seems like a QB move but that makes no sense because the had 3.  Unless they really like a QB and are REALLY confident he will last until 6, my guess is WR.  There are 3 really highly rated WRs right?

How when the top 4 QBs are predicted to be gone by 5? Moreso seems like they were targeting a guy and felt like they could get him later in the draft. Chase, Smith, or Pitts is my guess right now.

[DCOrange]

4 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

Parsons that high is unlikely. 1. He has off the field issues. 2. LB isn't a huge need since they traded for Bernardrick McKinney.

 

Most of the top receivers will be gone by 18. Better off waiting until the 2nd unless Chase is the pick at 6.

They can still almost certainly get Bateman at 18 if not one of the top 3 WRs (and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if one of the top 3 makes it there).

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

LOL do you know the damage a Hockenson could do on this team? 

 

Last year  he had a almost 800 yard 6 TD Year.. with Detroit He was their second best in yards ! lol  HERE?  thats a 900 yard season 8+ TD. You keep hating on Hockenson.. If there was a Hockenson where we draft this year? I would take him and not think second about it. 2020 Hockenson was second best TE in Fantasy. HE was third best in recieving yards... Do you have any clue what so ever what or who your talking about?

 

No knock on him - he's a good player - I just think a WR has a greater impact on offense.  If i asked the lions do you want hockenson or dk metcalf/aj brown what would they say?

 

Fantasy means absolutely nothing when comparing players.  It just means he got the ball thrown to him more - possibly as a direct result of golladay playing in only 5 games.  So the targets yards and stats aren't crazy impactful.  

[DolFAN93]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

You don’t think SF traded up for a QB?

Ok I get what you're saying now. Thought you were referring to the Eagles. That's just one example of a team moving that many picks. Maybe the value could be different. 

Miami traded up from 12 to 3 in 2013 for just a 2nd LOL 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Process said:

With QBs almost guaranteed to go 1-4,  2 or more of Pitts/Smith/Chase will be there. I'm sure they'd be happy with any of them. 

 

They got good value from SF, gave up too much to Philly, but at the end of the day 6 is the perfect spot for them and they got some future ammunition.

They’re almost certainly taking Sewell if he’s there.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Billl

[4merper4mer]

5 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

How when the top 4 QBs are predicted to be gone by 5? Moreso seems like they were targeting a guy and felt like they could get him later in the draft. Chase, Smith, or Pitts is my guess right now.

I could see Chase, Pitts or Waddle, but Smith would have been there at 12.  Didn’t realize 4th QB was regularly mocked so high.  BTW I think Lance goes before Fields.

[DolFAN93]

3 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

They can still almost certainly get Bateman at 18 if not one of the top 3 WRs (and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if one of the top 3 makes it there).

I just don't think they value Bateman that high when there's similar talent later on. Unless they have a undisclosed injury, none of them are making it to 18.

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

Ok I get what you're saying now. Thought you were referring to the Eagles. That's just one example of a team moving that many picks. Maybe the value could be different. 

Miami traded up from 12 to 3 in 2013 for just a 2nd LOL 

That was different.  It was an awful draft.  Hope you enjoyed your Dion Jordan experience..😀

Edited March 26, 2021 by mannc

[PrimeTime101]

23 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Maybe stop spending 1st round picks on TEs when you don't have receivers or QBs then?  I dunno what to tell ya.  

NO this statement has nothing to do with your originally that you would NEVER waste first round picks on TE.. Glad your not a gm

[DolFAN93]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

I could see Chase, Pitts or Waddle, but Smith would have been there at 12.  Didn’t realize 4th QB was regularly mocked so high.  BTW I think Lance goes before Fields.

Lance before fields wouldn't surpise me as he's a perfect fit for the offense that Shanahan runs. 

 

You just never know how the draft will fall. Smith could be there but then again, word is that some GMs view him as the best receiver in the draft.

[somnus00]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

I hope not.   
 

Bills glaring weakness in 2020 was defending Tight Ends.  
 

Miami adds Pitts to Gesicki.  
 

NE adds Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry.   
 

cool. cool. 
 

2021 NFL draft. Bills take Melifonwu and Nasirildeen. Problem solved. I'm only half kidding.

[PrimeTime101]

11 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

No knock on him - he's a good player - I just think a WR has a greater impact on offense.  If i asked the lions do you want hockenson or dk metcalf/aj brown what would they say?

 

Fantasy means absolutely nothing when comparing players.  It just means he got the ball thrown to him more - possibly as a direct result of golladay playing in only 5 games.  So the targets yards and stats aren't crazy impactful.  

Just stop this is embarrassing.. 8 WR were taken before DK.  This is crystal ball material here.  

[DolFAN93]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

That was different.  It was an awful draft.  Hope you enjoyed your Dion Jordan experience..😀

True. I just don't think any team was getting a haul like the Colts did. It would've happened already.

 

The absolute worst experience! He had potential but they just couldn't figure out what to do with him.

 

 

[Bleedingreennc]

23 minutes ago, mannc said:

You don’t think SF traded up for a QB?

Lance or Fields, Wilson is going to be gone at 2.

[whatdrought]

Guarantees them their choice of 2-4 of:

 

Pitts, Chase, Smith, and Waddle.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I find it so weird that NFL teams seem to place so little value on 1st round picks. Teams just giving them away like nothing. 

1st round picks on the whole are over rated. Look how many we've had that busted. The key to building is getting contributors in later rounds see Gabe Davis, Tyler Bass, Matt Milano etc. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Moving from12 to 6 seems like a QB move but that makes no sense because the had 3.  Unless they really like a QB and are REALLY confident he will last until 6, my guess is WR.  There are 3 really highly rated WRs right?

Jake Lock?  You’re confusing Drew Lock and Jay Clocker.

Maybe he meant Jake Locker of the Titans?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

48 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

NO this statement has nothing to do with your originally that you would NEVER waste first round picks on TE.. Glad your not a gm

 

I don't like TE's in the first - you didn't really convince me.  Especially when Kittle, Waller, Gronk, Kelce, Ertz were not 1st round picks.  Neither were Geisicki, Goedert, Andrews, Jonnu smith, Henry, Hooper.  

 

Also - TE's rarely have an impact in their rookie year.  I'm sure there's examples but usually there's a bit of a development curve.  

 

Would I take pitts at 30?  Probably - but he won't be there anyway.  But 30 is barely a 1st round pick.  A TE at 4 or 5 would be like the highest drafted TE ever (I think davis and winslow were picked at 6).  

55 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

True. I just don't think any team was getting a haul like the Colts did. It would've happened already.

 

The absolute worst experience! He had potential but they just couldn't figure out what to do with him.

 

 

 

Had that Maybin syndrome - he didn't really seem to have a passion for football.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

1st round picks on the whole are over rated. Look how many we've had that busted. The key to building is getting contributors in later rounds see Gabe Davis, Tyler Bass, Matt Milano etc. 

 

In the past i always preached higher ceiling BPA because the team lacked stars.  Now the team has several in Allen, Diggs, Tre.  Now a lower floor player who can contribute in 2021 is also in the cards.  I think a big nickel player is something to look at in rounds 2-3.  I'd think the same at CB opposite tre, or offensive line.  I'm not super sold on a running back in the first, but its one of those see how it falls situations.  If there isn't a player you love in the first, try and move back.  

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Miami is going after Pitts at TE.

No chance he’s there. 
 

id bet it’s Micah Parsons.....or whoever is left over from Davonta/waddle....if one is left over.  Slater/darrisaw possible 

Edited March 26, 2021 by NewEra

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

I don't think that's very good value.  A first in 2023 is worth about a third round pick this April, and the Niners are likely to be picking late for the forseeable future.

The NFL is far too volatile to say any team is picking late 2 years from now.

[DCOrange]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No chance he’s there. 
 

id bet it’s Micah Parsons.....or whoever is left over from Davonta/waddle....if one is left over.  Slater/darrisaw possible 

There is definitely a chance. In all likelihood, the QBs are going top 4. Then it comes down to Sewell, Pitts, and Chase at #5 and Cinci could go with any of those guys there.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Miami is dumb to move back up to 6, the guy that get at 6 or 12 wont be much different, rather have two first round picks for two years.

 

 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

There is definitely a chance. In all likelihood, the QBs are going top 4. Then it comes down to Sewell, Pitts, and Chase at #5 and Cinci could go with any of those guys there.

Ok, we’ll see

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Miami is dumb to move back up to 6, the guy that get at 6 or 12 wont be much different, rather have two first round picks for two years.

 

 

 

If you believe in chase/smith at a tier above the rest - you go back up to guarantee one.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

If you believe in chase/smith at a tier above the rest - you go back up to guarantee one.  

 

There are a ton of good WRs, not the move id make ,but the less picks for Miami the better.

 

 

[jkeerie]

24 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No chance he’s there. 
 

id bet it’s Micah Parsons.....or whoever is left over from Davonta/waddle....if one is left over.  Slater/darrisaw possible 

First four picks have a good chance to be QBs.  Definitely the first 3.  That leaves two teams maximally to pick a non QB ahead of the Dolphins, so Pitts could fall to them.  If not, they'll have their choice of top receivers.  They could also go Edge.  If they are going all in on Tua this year, getting him the best offensive weapons would be a priority.

[TFBillsfan]

On paper Miami is positioned to add significant talent with their draft capital over the next few years. If Tua doesn’t play well this year, one would think they’ll be very aggressive to get a QB next year. Also, Jimmy G could very well move back the to Patriots which would be a big upgrade over Cam. Bottomline, I expect the AFC East to be much tougher going forward. Jets are still TBD until they get their QB. 

[Inigo Montoya]

I hope this takes Miami out of the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes.  That new Miami pick at #6 isn't going to get the Texans one of the top QBs this year and I can't imagine the Texans would be excited to get Tua from the Phins as part of a trade.  

 

Overall take away.... Good news for us.

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, dneveu said:

I don't like TE's in the first - you didn't really convince me.  Especially when Kittle, Waller, Gronk, Kelce, Ertz were not 1st round picks.  Neither were Geisicki, Goedert, Andrews, Jonnu smith, Henry, Hooper.  

 

Also - TE's rarely have an impact in their rookie year.  I'm sure there's examples but usually there's a bit of a development curve.  

 

Would I take pitts at 30?  Probably - but he won't be there anyway.  But 30 is barely a 1st round pick.  A TE at 4 or 5 would be like the highest drafted TE ever (I think davis and winslow were picked at 6).  

this is so wrong it is not even funny.. How many other TE's were picked in same rounds...  Changing the names and going different directions from your original statement is not even funny. You said you would never pick a TE in the first period... but the 30th pick is barely a first?  Just stop.. Please... Your posts have changed so many directions.. I don't care IF i convince you... I was naming something factual at players net worth for the talent.

 

Shade

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

29 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

this is so wrong it is not even funny.. How many other TE's were picked in same rounds...  Changing the names and going different directions from your original statement is not even funny. You said you would never pick a TE in the first period... but the 30th pick is barely a first?  Just stop.. Please... Your posts have changed so many directions.. I don't care IF i convince you... I was naming something factual at players net worth for the talent.

 

Shade

 

What did I say that was wrong? That's a list of good tight ends, taken outside the first.  Maybe Hockenson will be the best tight end in the league, but through 2 years he did not boost their offense from the bottom 3rd in the league.  Same with fant, Ebron, Hurst etc. 

 

The 30th pick is the 3rd to last 1st round pick. It has a massively different value than pick 4 or 5. That is not arguable. 

 

Anyway, I'm ignoring you so don't bother responding.

[The Jokeman]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep 6. Perfect spot for their target Micah Parsons. 

Micah Parsons at 6. Just watch and see and finally get an NFL LBer they have been looking for, for almost a Decade. 
 

WR will maybe come with their 18th pick. 

Parsons make sense, as without Van Noy or Lawson could add some pass rush and put Ogbah at DE.

Edited March 27, 2021 by The Jokeman