FLFan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: Interesting KC kicking the can. Makes sense. Win now, worry about later at some future time. It will catch up eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Makes zero sense why the Bills are not doing this with their guys. The cap is a joke. If you want to consistently win, do this stuff every year. 6 minutes ago, FLFan said: KC kicking the can. Makes sense. Win now, worry about later at some future time. It will catch up eventually. Teams like the Saints have been doing this forever. It never catches up. The cap will always be going up from here on out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Makes zero sense why the Bills are not doing this with their guys. The cap is a joke. If you want to consistently win, do this stuff every year. Teams like the Saints have been doing this forever. It never catches up. The cap will always be going up from here on out. it only seems to "catch up" if you do this with too many players, like the Steelers did a while ago. They would have done it to keep Brown then a few years from now it catches up. But a franchise QB or OL, or elite pass rusher is a no brainer to do this with, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 We should be doing this with Tre and others so we can grab a guy or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... The vast majority of NFL contracts are backloaded with non-guaranteed money. That way players can boast about landing a 5 year $50 million contract... when in reality they have signed a 3 year $22 million contract, with a team option to cut them before Year 4 without much penalty. Most restructures are basically pushing guaranteed dollars to the back-end of the contract (which was originally setup as bloated fluff). In other words, the team reduces its ability to cut the player. The player gets more guaranteed money. The cap hit for the present year is decreased. As time goes along, the ability to push money down the road becomes more and more difficult. The most obvious example right now is the Saints. They have used these techniques for years. They have also remained competitive for a long-time, mostly because of excellent drafting. But now they are being forced to cut virtually the entire team. The Eagle and Rams are also very guilty of this. Brandon Beane is exceptional at getting free agents with basically 1-2 year contracts (see John Brown, Quinton Jefferson, Mario Addison, etc.), allowing him a ton of flexibility to play around with the cap without these major restructures. Maybe he will change that strategy as our Super Bowl window begins to close, but right now it's a great plan for remaining competitive for many years down the road. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Makes zero sense why the Bills are not doing this with their guys. The cap is a joke. If you want to consistently win, do this stuff every year. Teams like the Saints have been doing this forever. It never catches up. The cap will always be going up from here on out. Not true. It does catch up eventually. Even without the cap decrease, the Saints would have been in deep trouble this offseason. Just like how the Rams keep trading away future draft picks, so they can take advantage of today's Super Bowl window. Right now the team looks stacked. But as the years go along, they will basically be depending on late rounders and UDFAs to restock the aging talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... It is basically a game of increasing dead money down the line to open cap space now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Fear is a mighty motivator... Mahoney’s isn’t losing a dime on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... Gotta think that in negotiations with these mega deals, that restructure is part of the plan in a couple years. The player and agent are expecting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 It's good, don't Joe Flacco yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, nucci said: I don't think he's sacrificing any money Well, that didn’t take long! He won’t sacrifice any money in the end, and it sounds like he doesn’t want to sacrifice his life and well-being playing behind a crappy OLine. Gotta be able to pay the guys around you! That’s the biggest issue with the league these days. Once you pay the QB the rest of the team suffers as a result. It’s a pretty tricky balancing act. I pray Josh and Beane find the right formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, njbuff said: Up front money anyways. he’s in fact accelerating how quickly he’s getting all the same dollars. You’ve missed the mark completely here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: he’s in fact accelerating how quickly he’s getting all the same dollars. You’ve missed the mark completely here. I admit, I am no capologist. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 hours ago, mjt328 said: Not true. It does catch up eventually. Even without the cap decrease, the Saints would have been in deep trouble this offseason. Just like how the Rams keep trading away future draft picks, so they can take advantage of today's Super Bowl window. Right now the team looks stacked. But as the years go along, they will basically be depending on late rounders and UDFAs to restock the aging talent. Checking the timeline it appears the Saints kicked the can straight into the year they are losing a hall of fame qb. Seems to me it’s a pretty excellent strategy to win now and rebuild when you don’t have a shot anyway. Pointing at them misses the point Just now, njbuff said: I admit, I am no capologist. 😂 Happens to the best of us sometimes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Checking the timeline it appears the Saints kicked the can straight into the year they are losing a hall of fame qb. Seems to me it’s a pretty excellent strategy to win now and rebuild when you don’t have a shot anyway. Pointing at them misses the point Happens to the best of us sometimes! Whatever you think of me and posts........ point is.................... hopefully the Chiefs are weaker at the end of the day. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 40 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Mahoney’s isn’t losing a dime on his contract. That has nothing to do with the point being made 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, klos63 said: Gotta think that in negotiations with these mega deals, that restructure is part of the plan in a couple years. The player and agent are expecting it. Yeah, but with how much the cap is going to go up over the next few years they may not even need to...some are expecting it to go up almost $120 million in the next 5 years which is insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Hate the term "restructure" - it applies it is neutral. It is getting paid for work he has not done yet with free interest. Almost bad as IRS which gets interest free loans all the time while the government is eliminating the incentive to save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... They pay down the road. Believe that. And pay more after a restructure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 The cap is an accounting cap, not a spending cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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