Don Otreply Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mango said: I have no idea how or why I keep getting misrepresented here. I just said we should take a deep breath and get through the weekend. The deep breath is because the take is a really bad one. Comparing Allen in year 3, especially after how he performed in years 1 and 2, to probably the most transcendent player in all of sports history is so incredibly stupid (at least to this point) So yes, we should pump the breaks, take a deep breath, and get through the weekend. Context and word definitions are hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 We will see just how "elite" Josh is on Sunday. Josh played well but clenched up late in the Colts game, he played fairly average against the Ravens but the Ravens were an elite defense and the weather/gameplan was horrid. Hopefully Josh with 2 playoff wins under his belt feels the confidence to let it rip against the Chiefs solid but not elite defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailgateChef Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Regardless of whether the Bills win or lose their final game this season, I can vividly imagine JA sitting down with Daboll, and over a few days, going over every....single....failed play this entire year. Dissecting and figuring out where the mistakes were made. Just as I imagine Brady doing the same thing, at least early in his career. Does killer instinct = work ethic? Not sure, but Jordan had a tireless work ethic, as did Brady. I believe Josh does as well. He is driven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Shoot the jay. SHOOT IT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I'll play along with the Jordan comparison. And let's not hope that the Chiefs are the NFL's version of the Pistons where it takes a million tries to finally slay the beast. Slay the beast NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 45 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: How does that make any sense on a message board? Were you saying let's talk about it Monday? Yeah, right Nervous Nancy. Like this weekend is going to change anything. It's entertainment........and nothing discussed on this board is productive whether accurate or not........so getting yourself exercised about the timing of a hot take in a cauldron full of them from naturally over-stimulated Bills fans is amusing to me. Carry-on with your nail chewing.......you can be nervous for both of us. Taking a deep breath is not some “nancy” or “nail chewing” anxiety. It’s stop trying to compare a 3rd year QB to the greatest player of all time in possibly every sport.Take a deep breath, calm down, enjoy the ride, and stop with one of the worst takes ever. And no. Don’t discuss this topic Monday either. Because it’s stupid and ignorant. Not because I am nervous, or because 1 KC game means that we can start calling Allen the MJ of NFL QB’s. Just to note “Nancy” I’ve won a handful of national championships, so maybe you might want to stay in your lane on nervousness and sports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Mango said: Guys, lets take a deep breath and just get through the weekend. No Kool Aid for you!! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Being a fan doesn’t exempt you from criticism for saying foolish things. And being a fan doesn't entitle you to tell others how to express their fandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mango said: Just to note “Nancy” I’ve won a handful of national championships, so maybe you might want to stay in your lane on nervousness and sports... Oh of course, and as you know as such a big football star yourself.........it's much more nerve racking for some to watch from afar than to be in the actual game itself. You just happen to be one of those people..........comfortable in it...........very nervous as an observer...........Steve Tasker says he's the same way........another thing you champions share in common that those who haven't tasted victory at the very highest levels of football could understand. So take your own advice.........take a deep breath and just TRY go get thru the weekend.........the sun will come up Monday either way........promise. I'm rooting for you.......good luck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: And being a fan doesn't entitle you to tell others how to express their fandom Actually, fan or not, I’m entitled to my opinion whether you agree with it or not. People can choose to agree or disagree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Negan said: It seems to me after the Houston loss last year, Allen really turned into a different QB this past off-season. You could say he developed the Jordan killer instinct. Watching the Chicago Bulls Last Dance documentary, I couldn't help to think of Allen as becoming an all time great at his position similar to Jordan and how he was just wired differently. It's not if Allen will win a Bowl, it comes down to how many he will win. Man, I wish I had that same belief, but after seeing great QB's come away with none, or all-timers like Brees or Rodgers come away with only one, I'd be happy just seeing ONE SB win. He's taken a big step in the regular season, but he hasn't come out & dominated in the post season or anything. Football is a massive team game. Allen could play like Brady or Montana, and if he doesn't have exceptional coaching & the supporting cast, winning multiple SB's will be damn near impossible. There's just so many things that have to go right. That's why people like Joe Flacco or Eli Manning can go on a playoff tear after being slightly above average in the regular season, while people like Phillip Rivers or Dan Marino can go an entire career without a ring. Edited January 20, 2021 by BigDingus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Actually, fan or not, I’m entitled to my opinion whether you agree with it or not. People can choose to agree or disagree with it. Yep, you sure are and I never tried in any way to stop you from expressing your opinion. That's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I'll play along with the Jordan comparison. And let's not hope that the Chiefs are the NFL's version of the Pistons where it takes a million tries to finally slay the beast. Slay the beast NOW. I feel like the Ravens are more like that tough and dirty team. Or the Pats with Brady. 1 hour ago, Mango said: Taking a deep breath is not some “nancy” or “nail chewing” anxiety. It’s stop trying to compare a 3rd year QB to the greatest player of all time in possibly every sport.Take a deep breath, calm down, enjoy the ride, and stop with one of the worst takes ever. And no. Don’t discuss this topic Monday either. Because it’s stupid and ignorant. Not because I am nervous, or because 1 KC game means that we can start calling Allen the MJ of NFL QB’s. Just to note “Nancy” I’ve won a handful of national championships, so maybe you might want to stay in your lane on nervousness and sports... Josh is at least Wayne Gretzky Gretzky played on ice. Josh has ice in his veins. The comparisons only start there.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Ignorant simply means uneducated on the subject in question. Big difference from being called "stupid" or some other indefensible insult designed to de-humanize. If someone calls you ignorant........show them otherwise. I certainly won't disagree with you in theory on this. However, sometimes on this board it is more of a distinction without a difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Yep, you sure are and I never tried in any way to stop you from expressing your opinion. That's the point. So basically, you’re just trying to argue for the sake of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: So basically, you’re just trying to argue for the sake of it? Nope. Let me make this clear and leave it at that. You are welcome to your opinion and you are welcome to disagree with the opinion of another. Disagreeing is different than telling them they shouldn't express their opinion. It is pretty simple. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Is it required? Winning with love is the new thing now........10 years ago McD probably would have been the type of coach that he was as a player in college.........quiet and demanding........old school. This generation of athletes doesn't really respond to that though..........so McD is now Dr. Love. It's required if the discussion is "killer instinct". Absolutely. You win with love maybe one time. To serially repeat, the face of the organization has to have a killer instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I certainly won't disagree with you in theory on this. However, sometimes on this board it is more of a distinction without a difference... Oh I agree with that..........I once uttered "ignorance" in response to a "when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" level observation and was warned by a mod that I was being insulting. Not everyone understands what the term means. Some may use it as a substitute for a de-humanizing insult......but that's not what it is. Ignorance can be disproven. Ignorance can be changed. The power of de-humanizing terms is that they are used to say that one's opinion isn't worthy of consideration regardless and there is nothing that can change that. That's why slurs are so offensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I feel like the Ravens are more like that tough and dirty team. Or the Pats with Brady. Josh is at least Wayne Gretzky Gretzky played on ice. Josh has ice in his veins. The comparisons only start there.... Now here is a message board topic. Who was better? Jordan at Basketball or Gretzky at Hockey? @BADOLBILZ, I need you to jump in before I chew off my finger nails! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Nope. Let me make this clear and leave it at that. You are welcome to your opinion and you are welcome to disagree with the opinion of another. Disagreeing is different than telling them they shouldn't express their opinion. It is pretty simple. Cheers Do you just contradict yourself for fun? 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: And being a fan doesn't entitle you to tell others how to express their fandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Premise is fine if a little premature. The only embarrassing part of the thread are the people shushing OP because it ‘looks bad’. Who gaf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Jordan and Brady are both survivors who know how to get to the final few minutes with a shot to win. I think Allen is starting to learn this, and I'm pretty confident that he will get even better at it. Allen has talked a lot about studying Brady's game. Oddly, I think what we call "killer instinct" is more a survival instinct. Biding your time. Pick your spots. Whichever cliché you prefer. Playing Jordan or Brady is often death by a thousand cuts. Other super talented guys like Manning and Rogers (and Matt Ryan when he was having MVP type seasons) had/have an overt "killer instinct" and it does them in very often. I'll explain. I think what sets guys like Jordan and Brady apart is that both are masters of the physiological aspects of the game, which are almost as important as any other aspect. They keep the game alive, or the season alive. They play for the big moment. It's why both are so hard to put away when it really matters. These games, with very few exceptions, are won and lost in the final minutes. So get there with a shot. Both know when to turn it on at the right moments. Neither is going to make the big mistake that takes them out of the game. Obviously, that's more applicable in football than basketball (the big mistake) due to the way points are scored. But they put the pressure on you. You had better put them away and not leave them a chance at the end. Because if you do... This difference in mindset dawned on me while listening to Brady do those Westwood One interviews Monday nights before MNF on my drive home from work. He talked often of surviving. Keep the game alive. Get to the end with a shot. That dictates his entire game. Get to the 4th quarter with a chance to win. Something else he said really stuck with me: if you're losing at that point, there is zero pressure. Worst case scenario, you lose, but you're already losing anyway. It's house money. The other team is the one with the pressure, trying to protect its lead. I think that mindset is one key to why Brady is always around. Yes, he was standing there looking confused thinking it was 4th down still... in October or whenever vs. the Bears in a game nobody cares about now and certainly won't remember in 5 years. Not in January, though. He's playing the supposed MVP who always seems to choke in big moments. If he loses at Lambeau field to the consensus MVP, well, everyone expected that. All the pressure is on Rogers this weekend. Brady's just an old guy on an underdog team playing the MVP in his house. House money, again. On the other hand, certain guys, no matter how talented they are, don't seem unbeatable in big spots. In football this is Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. Those guys could throw for 80 TDs, look totally unstoppable and win 15 games and I would almost expect a first round playoff loss. At a minimum they didn't have the mystique that comes with somehow always ending up on the winning side, regardless of how. If anything, it was/is the opposite. Mr. "MVP" Rogers disappears too many times in big games. Same with Brees especially. So many great Saints teams the past several years and once they get to the playoffs the offense stinks. Why? They are in their own heads, playing against themselves. If you're Peyton Manning, the "sheriff," you are supposed to go out there and drop dimes all over the field for the entire game and score 30+. In the wind and cold, against tope defenses. To his credit, he did that quite often, even in the playoffs. But obviously not often enough. That also opens you up to making mistakes, especially when it doesn't go right early on. You hold the ball a bit too long and take the big hit. You force a throw out of frustration. Meanwhile, the other guy (Brady) is checking down to RBs all half, waiting for you to make a mistake. It's not that he's not trying to make plays, but he's not forcing anything. If it's not there he'll take the check down and punt. If you play a perfect game, you probably win. But more than likely someone on your team will muff a punt, miss a block, tip a pass to a DB, etc. This is where the overt "killer instinct" does guys in. Matt Ryan was known for (and this is a quote from one of his coaches) going for the kill, and the kill after the kill, during that MVP year that culminated in the Super Bowl collapse. NE tied that Super Bowl with a handful of seconds on the clock. Imagine Ryan doesn't fumble in his own end in the 4th quarter, giving NE an easy set up for a TD. Let's say instead he eats the sack and keeps the clock running. They run the ball the next play and punt it deep, making NE drive the field for that score. Very likely a different outcome. If you can score at will, sure, do it! But teams who do that often run into trouble when the stakes are highest, because it's harder to do. So the pressure builds. WHY AREN"T WE SCORING? Then the mistakes come. A lot of times the "killer instinct" is your worst enemy. Incidentally, Brady got away from this during the Patriots 18-0 run with an unstoppable offense that set NFL records. And lost in the Super Bowl by scoring 14 points. Then again, to the same team a couple of years later by scoring 17 points. Edited January 21, 2021 by TheFunPolice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I compare him to Kobe. Josh Allen is the White Mamba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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