Unforgiven Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Minneapolis city council members backpedal and claim 'Defund the Police' has 'never been a chosen framework' after they wiped $8M from cops' budget as murders soar by 90% https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9062431/Minneapolis-city-council-members-claim-never-advocated-defunding-police.html As a side note its hysterical you have to get American "news" from a UK outlet, sure as ^%$# ain't getting nothing but propaganda from American rags. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Stupid is as stupid does... When you try to warn people that what they are doing is unwise and they refuse to listen, sometimes you just gotta let them fall on their faces in order to see the error of their ways... Edited December 18, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 The defund the police stuff was stupid and cost Democrats seats in state governments and in DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 This leaves out a lot of key facts. 1) the 8 million is about 4 percent of the budget. 2) it wasn’t cut, they shifted the resources elsewhere 3) none of the cuts were to reduce the number of police. The stats they look at for the entire year. It’s almost as if crime rises during recessions. There was also riots which did increase reportable crime as well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: This leaves out a lot of key facts. 1) the 8 million is about 4 percent of the budget. 2) it wasn’t cut, they shifted the resources elsewhere 3) none of the cuts were to reduce the number of police. The stats they look at for the entire year. It’s almost as if crime rises during recessions. There was also riots which did increase reportable crime as well. Agreed. I think the most important thing here was that in spite of some tough negotiations, all stakeholders felt validated and respected. I also think the story unfairly paints these two noble civil servants as advocates of defunding the police simply because they espoused sentiments like “Defund the police!”. Plus, there were riots, and crimes committed during the riots are unfairly glomped in with crime statistics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 10 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I’m reminded of a famous Forrest Gump quote....😉 When you try to warn people that what they are doing is unwise and they refuse to listen, sometimes you just gotta let them fall on their faces in order to see the error of their ways... Good quote but maybe there's some uncut version of that movie I'm not aware of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Good quote but maybe there's some uncut version of that movie I'm not aware of. 😂 I edited it to clarify Edited December 18, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I would give McConnell credit for defunding the police. State and local budget cuts due to the covid disaster without federal aid . Federal aid for disasters like hurricane , flooding etc but leave this disaster for Biden to take the blame. jmo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ALF said: I would give McConnell credit for defunding the police. State and local budget cuts due to the covid disaster without federal aid . Federal aid for disasters like hurricane , flooding etc but leave this disaster for Biden to take the blame. jmo So in the World According to Alf this entire ‘defunding the police’ thing was actually just fiscally driven policy making and not a reaction to systemic racism? Well, now we know the real story. Thanks for clearing that up. Please get a memo to BLM, Antifa and the others on the front lines. Edited December 18, 2020 by SoCal Deek 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, ALF said: Your welcome , and screw Antifa Ha! 😉 they’re due to cut another album soon right? Or are they still on tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So in the World According to Alf this entire ‘defunding the police’ thing was actually just fiscally driven policy making and not a reaction to systemic racism? Well, now we know the real story. Thanks for clearing that up. Please get a memo to BLM, Antifa and the others on the front lines. You're welcome , and screw Antifa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 10 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Agreed. I think the most important thing here was that in spite of some tough negotiations, all stakeholders felt validated and respected. I also think the story unfairly paints these two noble civil servants as advocates of defunding the police simply because they espoused sentiments like “Defund the police!”. Plus, there were riots, and crimes committed during the riots are unfairly glomped in with crime statistics. The point is it’s a stretch to say this 4 percent shift in funds led to the increased cases. Would you care to explain how the 4 percent budget shift without changing the officers on the ground changed crime stats? perhaps if we have the same amount of officers and more crime, those officers are no longer performing at an adequate level and should be let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Our friends on the right could do well to learn so Latin: “c um hoc ergo propter hoc” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: The point is it’s a stretch to say this 4 percent shift in funds led to the increased cases. Would you care to explain how the 4 percent budget shift without changing the officers on the ground changed crime stats? perhaps if we have the same amount of officers and more crime, those officers are no longer performing at an adequate level and should be let go. Hold on Back, I agreed with you, I even mentioned the shared mutual respect of all stakeholders! It's fairly obvious that nothing at all is going on, it's just a blip on the radar. A riot blip if you will. The devoted servants to the public now being tied to this mythical 'defund the police' conspiracy theory are the true victims here. You're probably correct on letting go the officers currently on the force--trying times call for bold action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 https://www.rt.com/usa/515571-minneapolis-police-extra-funding/ Minneapolis releases $6.4mn to police to hire new recruits, as depleted force struggles with soaring crime after calls to defund No *&^%, huh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Unforgiven said: https://www.rt.com/usa/515571-minneapolis-police-extra-funding/ Minneapolis releases $6.4mn to police to hire new recruits, as depleted force struggles with soaring crime after calls to defund No *&^%, huh Who would want to be a cop in any large city right now? They are either totally corrupt if the Dems are right or you are daily fighting that perception and unable to do much good. If I as a teacher had to fight that perception daily I would quit and make more money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) On 12/18/2020 at 8:14 AM, SoCal Deek said: So in the World According to Alf this entire ‘defunding the police’ thing was actually just fiscally driven policy making and not a reaction to systemic racism? Well, now we know the real story. Thanks for clearing that up. Please get a memo to BLM, Antifa and the others on the front lines. You're right to point out it wasn't a fiscal issue at its inception. We all lived through it so we know what happened and I'm not surprised there's some historical revisionism going on given the idea appears to be a failure. The Defund movement was launched as a result of misconduct such as the George Floyd killing. These events also brought the BLM movement to prominence. And although it got support from local government officials in many cities the idea of defunding and eliminating police didn't play to well with the citizens in the cities. Polls showed a vast majority wanted either the "same level of policing" or "more". As the BLM/activist movement expressed their ire and hate towards the police many choose to pack it in, take retirement or leave the force. This left cities shorthanded and short-shifted in patrol numbers and coverage. It seems like crime rose in proportion to those cuts. Of course the citizens in the communities the activist targeted for "their help" suffered the most (maybe a lesson to avoid activists!). A core concept behind the idea was many types of situations the police were responding to were inappropriate for law enforcement and their presence only escalated the situation. Such as domestic disputes. The idea was to substitute community and social activists for the police in these cases along with others that were equipped to handle these types of issues, It might be a good concept in theory but it doesn't seem to be getting much traction to this point. Edited February 15, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I saw somewhere a quarter of the force quit. That didn’t help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Minneapolis is a cesspool Yeah reallocating the police budget is such a great thing to do hahahahah Look what happens without law and order 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 How are the psychologists and social workers responding to calls working out? The neighborhood watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, Doc said: How are the psychologists and social workers responding to calls working out? The neighborhood watch? All it’s going to take is one social worker to get killed responding to a domestic violence call and this will be over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: All it’s going to take is one social worker to get killed responding to a domestic violence call and this will be over! I was being facetious. I highly doubt a social worker or psychologist is responding to calls anywhere in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Doc said: I was being facetious. I highly doubt a social worker or psychologist is responding to calls anywhere in the US. I understand, but there in lies the problem inherent with sending improperly trained and unarmed people into these potentially violent situations. The vast vast majority of these incidents are resolved peacefully by the police. You never hear of them for good reason. Many other incidents are never responded to at all. The 911 operator sorts out the urgency and the appropriateness. But as they say, it’ll only take one wrongfully diagnosed incident and one dead social worker to put this all to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: All it’s going to take is one social worker to get killed responding to a domestic violence call and this will be over! Kristin Benson, Seattle... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Kristin Benson, Seattle... there you have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I understand, but there in lies the problem inherent with sending improperly trained and unarmed people into these potentially violent situations. The vast vast majority of these incidents are resolved peacefully by the police. You never hear of them for good reason. Many other incidents are never responded to at all. The 911 operator sorts out the urgency and the appropriateness. But as they say, it’ll only take one wrongfully diagnosed incident and one dead social worker to put this all to rest. Oh, I know. I made a semi-joke after hearing proposals to send social workers and psychologists to crime scenes that enrollment in these fields immediately plummeted. It has no chance of ever happening. 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Kristin Benson, Seattle... 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: there you have it Not the same. The guy went to her office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just more proof Biden was smart to say we need to increase police funding before the election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Just more proof Biden was smart to say we need to increase police funding before the election. What we actually need to do is the study the problem unemotionally and learn exactly what we’re dealing with here. You don’t either cut or increase funding until you know what you’re trying to fix or if there’s any fixing that even needs to be done at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What we actually need to do is the study the problem unemotionally and learn exactly what we’re dealing with here. You don’t either cut or increase funding until you know what you’re trying to fix or if there’s any fixing that even needs to be done at all. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: What we actually need to do is the study the problem unemotionally and learn exactly what we’re dealing with here. You don’t either cut or increase funding until you know what you’re trying to fix or if there’s any fixing that even needs to be done at all. Wow. I bet they never thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Wow. I bet they never thought of that. I bet they didn’t. But that’s because it never was about defunding the police in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 1:24 PM, Buffalo716 said: Minneapolis is a cesspool Yeah reallocating the police budget is such a great thing to do hahahahah Look what happens without law and order Thank you Ilhan Omar isn't it great to have such a forward thinking responsible person that puts their peoples well being first & fore most in congress ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/16/2021 at 8:01 AM, SoCal Deek said: What we actually need to do is the study the problem unemotionally and learn exactly what we’re dealing with here. You don’t either cut or increase funding until you know what you’re trying to fix or if there’s any fixing that even needs to be done at all. Why would they do something that makes that much sense or uses common sense was their guide they didn't do anything of the sort when they tried making health care affordable for every one or now paying every one pandemic money instead of just those that need it due to losing their jobs directly from the virus lets just shoot from the hip we don't need no dam study . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Like I've been saying, don't commit crimes, and if you get stopped by the police, don't resist arrest. Odds are high nothing bad will happen to you by the police. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orlando Tim Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 9:45 AM, Doc said: Like I've been saying, don't commit crimes, and if you get stopped by the police, don't resist arrest. Odds are high nothing bad will happen to you by the police. I will present the flip side of this- what if the police are constantly present in your life? If you do not live in a liberal city it is hard to understand exactly how ever present they are, which means the best answer to overbearing cops is to move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I will present the flip side of this- what if the police are constantly present in your life? If you do not live in a liberal city it is hard to understand exactly how ever present they are, which means the best answer to overbearing cops is to move. Would it be fair to say that cops are ever-present because more crime happens there? Are overbearing cops a reason or justification for committing crimes and/or resisting arrest? Would less presence decrease those things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 19 hours ago, Doc said: Would it be fair to say that cops are ever-present because more crime happens there? Are overbearing cops a reason or justification for committing crimes and/or resisting arrest? Would less presence decrease those things? In order: Almost always yes Never Probably not But my bigger point is that these areas with a huge police presence in America is almost exclusively liberal cities and the police force had to be actively created. I don't resent a liberal wanting a police officer on every corner but I also understand what the cop is there to do, and it is not be my friend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 https://sports.yahoo.com/phrase-white-privilege-bothers-please-202905605.html This article is written from a man proud of his ignorance. Windermere is a small police force where they have zero cases of police brutality and a lot of rich athletes like Shaq, Ken Griffey Jr, Vince Carter, Tiger Woods use to live there, literally thousands of rich black people live in Windermere without issue. To compare a NYC cop to Windermere cop is like comparing a NYC democrat with a Texas republican, basically not anything like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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