PromoTheRobot Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-spacex-mars-laws-starlink-b1396023.html We have reached the moment in human history where we have to consider such things. Will space colonies be autonomous and sovereign? Especially if established not by Earth nation governments? "SpaceX will not recognise international law on Mars, according to the Terms of Service of its Starlink internet project. Elon Musk's space company will instead reportedly adhere to a set of “self-governing principles" that will be defined at the time of Martian settlement." Edited October 30, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Is this like the Silicon Valley law of “section 230” where we trust mega-monopolies to, ah-hem “self-monitor” their own platforms, AI, and undeniable psychological manipulation of man kind? If there are aliens, let’s hope they are just! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I definitely see it happening. Whoever makes it there will want control. Planets/asteroids contain a plethora of resources. There will be wars over them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Lol Elon says that now but once the US government starts flexing it’ll be hard not to kneel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I definitely see it happening. Whoever makes it there will want control. Planets/asteroids contain a plethora of resources. There will be wars over them. not in my life time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I mean it's not like any country here can just send the space cops or anything, self governing would kind of be necessary at this stage of interplanetary travel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) I expect it will be like Cruise ships; Subject to the laws where the ship is harbored, otherwise it is governed by whichever country built it. We did see our first crime in space... https://www.livescience.com/anne-mcclain-space-crime.html Edited October 30, 2020 by unbillievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Eff space. Maybe let’s figure out Earth first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Eff space. Maybe let’s figure out Earth first We only have 10 more years left on Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: If there are aliens, Spoiler alert:. There aren't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, unbillievable said: We only have 10 more years left on Earth. I forgot the lease was almost up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 All depends on which geopolitical entity sticks their flag in the heavenly body, their intentions, UN member states agreement, and what Roddenberry was thinking when he penned 'Star Trek'. Matters even less when the Vogons show up to demolish Earth for a hyperspace bypass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 If it has no freakin masks, I'm interested. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Get off my planet! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 16 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Spoiler alert:. There aren't. That's a theory 17 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-spacex-mars-laws-starlink-b1396023.html We have reached the moment in human history where we have to consider such things. Will space colonies be autonomous and sovereign? Especially if established not by Earth nation governments? "SpaceX will not recognise international law on Mars, according to the Terms of Service of its Starlink internet project. Elon Musk's space company will instead reportedly adhere to a set of “self-governing principles" that will be defined at the time of Martian settlement." I'm gonna be first on the planet so I guess I'll be president Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 What about rogue planets: https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/scientists-discover-a-rogue-planet-cruising-through-the-milky-way/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What about rogue planets: https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/scientists-discover-a-rogue-planet-cruising-through-the-milky-way/amp/ Thank God it isn't a knave planet! Don't want the solar system sullied like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 19 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Whoever makes it there will want control. 17 hours ago, Warcodered said: I forgot the lease was almost up. What do you think the return fees for "reconditioning" will be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share Posted November 7, 2020 I guess there already is a treaty addressing this. Sorry, Elon. https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/articles/sorry-elon-mars-is-not-a-legal-vacuum-and-its-not-yours-either/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 7:59 PM, 4merper4mer said: Spoiler alert:. There aren't. Yes there are and they be us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I guess there already is a treaty addressing this. Sorry, Elon. https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/articles/sorry-elon-mars-is-not-a-legal-vacuum-and-its-not-yours-either/ 1. Nations on earth have come up with treaties that, as between themselves, establish and govern their self-proclaimed rights and obligations with respect to their activities on Mars and elsewhere off this planet. They have apparently decided that if an American company is performing acts on another planet, America is responsible for such conduct, and that the nation of America can be held accountable if an American company violates any treaty obligations of the American nation. 2. So what? Why do earthly nations have a right to create legal obligations that govern activities on another planet? It's just a power grab by existing earthly nations that have no jurisdiction to establish the rights of people who, when they eventually go to live on Mars, will be Martians (not Americans, or Canadians or Russians, etc.). And if you claim they are still Americans, etc, what of people who will eventually be born on Mars, which apparently cannot be an American, Canadian or Russian, etc. territory under the existing earthly space law treaties? Certainly people born on Mars in the future can be considered Martians. Why shouldn't people born on Mars have the right to determine their own laws? No taxation without representation and all that good Revolutionary War stuff. 3. If the American colonies could claim independence from England and form their own new, sovereign nation back in 1776, why can't Martians claim independence from Earth in 2776 and form their own nation(s) with their own government(s)? Their rallying cry for the Martian War of Independence could be "Make Mars Great Again." 4. Think about it. How would you feel if Plutonians showed up on earth, and upon descending from their spaceship, informed you that the nations on Pluto had decided among themselves eons ago that you had no American rights, or Canadian rights, or Russian rights, etc. because the sovereign nations on Pluto had agreed among themselves how to regulate conduct on Earth, and how to determine which Plutonian nations would be responsible for any violations of the treaty that all Plutonian nations had agreed upon among themselves? 5. Elon Musk won't be around to see new sovereign nations formed on Mars, but his future descendants very well might be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/7/2020 at 8:09 AM, PromoTheRobot said: I guess there already is a treaty addressing this. Sorry, Elon. https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/articles/sorry-elon-mars-is-not-a-legal-vacuum-and-its-not-yours-either/ There’s no way I would acknowledge this if I were Musk. They have a problem with it fly to mars and stop him. I hope he brings weapons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.